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French Muslims Speak Out; #NousSommesUnis
Topic Started: Nov 23 2015, 05:30 AM (783 Views)
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http://m.france24.com/en/20151121-french-muslims-plead-do-not-remain-deaf-dumb-blind-terrorism

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Bechmella, a resident of Venissieux, in Lyon, makes a plea to fellow Muslims: "I call on all the Muslims of France to protect our beautiful religion, to track down these impostors who pass as Muslims while killing people.”

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On Tuesday, the Muslim Students of France (EMF) released a video in which they expressed their emotion in the style of a poetry slam. "I am in pain for France, they wanted to weaken France, but they have strengthened the heart of the French"

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During an interview on FRANCE 24 TV on Wednesday, Chirani Mohamed, a former delegate of the Seine-Saint-Denis prefecture, echoed the call for Muslims to rally against fundamentalist terror.

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Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris, on Monday expressed "solidarity", "dismay" and a "rejection of these unspeakable acts" that "targeted innocent victims". He called on imams Friday to participate in a solemn prayer "to show our compassion and share in the grief of the (victims’) families.” Boubakeur, former president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM), reiterated the urgency of ensuring unity in times of collective pain. "We, the Muslims of France, stress the need for national unity, and together oppose this evil which attacks us indiscriminately…. We are all victims of this barbarity.”


Good. Now will the Intransigents applaud this or rant on about all Muslims being terrorists or condoners of such?
Edited by skwirked, Nov 23 2015, 05:32 AM.
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http://m.france24.com/en/20151121-french-muslims-plead-do-not-remain-deaf-dumb-blind-terrorism

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Bechmella, a resident of Venissieux, in Lyon, makes a plea to fellow Muslims: "I call on all the Muslims of France to protect our beautiful religion, to track down these impostors who pass as Muslims while killing people.”

[...]


On Tuesday, the Muslim Students of France (EMF) released a video in which they expressed their emotion in the style of a poetry slam. "I am in pain for France, they wanted to weaken France, but they have strengthened the heart of the French"

[...]

During an interview on FRANCE 24 TV on Wednesday, Chirani Mohamed, a former delegate of the Seine-Saint-Denis prefecture, echoed the call for Muslims to rally against fundamentalist terror.

[...]

Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris, on Monday expressed "solidarity", "dismay" and a "rejection of these unspeakable acts" that "targeted innocent victims". He called on imams Friday to participate in a solemn prayer "to show our compassion and share in the grief of the (victims’) families.” Boubakeur, former president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM), reiterated the urgency of ensuring unity in times of collective pain. "We, the Muslims of France, stress the need for national unity, and together oppose this evil which attacks us indiscriminately…. We are all victims of this barbarity.”


Good. Now will the Intransigents applaud this or rant on about all Muslims being terrorists or condoners of such?
Some halfwits on here will no doubt say,it's not enough,or they don't really mean it.
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[...]

Bechmella, a resident of Venissieux, in Lyon, makes a plea to fellow Muslims: "I call on all the Muslims of France to protect our beautiful religion, to track down these impostors who pass as Muslims while killing people.”

[...]


On Tuesday, the Muslim Students of France (EMF) released a video in which they expressed their emotion in the style of a poetry slam. "I am in pain for France, they wanted to weaken France, but they have strengthened the heart of the French"

[...]

During an interview on FRANCE 24 TV on Wednesday, Chirani Mohamed, a former delegate of the Seine-Saint-Denis prefecture, echoed the call for Muslims to rally against fundamentalist terror.

[...]

Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris, on Monday expressed "solidarity", "dismay" and a "rejection of these unspeakable acts" that "targeted innocent victims". He called on imams Friday to participate in a solemn prayer "to show our compassion and share in the grief of the (victims’) families.” Boubakeur, former president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM), reiterated the urgency of ensuring unity in times of collective pain. "We, the Muslims of France, stress the need for national unity, and together oppose this evil which attacks us indiscriminately…. We are all victims of this barbarity.”


Good. Now will the Intransigents applaud this or rant on about all Muslims being terrorists or condoners of such?
Some halfwits on here will no doubt say,it's not enough,or they don't really mean it.
Likely.

I guess nothing will ever please those guys..
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Nov 23 2015, 05:30 AM
http://m.france24.com/en/20151121-french-muslims-plead-do-not-remain-deaf-dumb-blind-terrorism

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Bechmella, a resident of Venissieux, in Lyon, makes a plea to fellow Muslims: "I call on all the Muslims of France to protect our beautiful religion, to track down these impostors who pass as Muslims while killing people.”
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On Tuesday, the Muslim Students of France (EMF) released a video in which they expressed their emotion in the style of a poetry slam. "I am in pain for France, they wanted to weaken France, but they have strengthened the heart of the French"
[...]
During an interview on FRANCE 24 TV on Wednesday, Chirani Mohamed, a former delegate of the Seine-Saint-Denis prefecture, echoed the call for Muslims to rally against fundamentalist terror.
[...]
Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris, on Monday expressed "solidarity", "dismay" and a "rejection of these unspeakable acts" that "targeted innocent victims". He called on imams Friday to participate in a solemn prayer "to show our compassion and share in the grief of the (victims’) families.” Boubakeur, former president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM), reiterated the urgency of ensuring unity in times of collective pain. "We, the Muslims of France, stress the need for national unity, and together oppose this evil which attacks us indiscriminately…. We are all victims of this barbarity.”
Good. Now will the Intransigents applaud this or rant on about all Muslims being terrorists or condoners of such?
Yes there are some intransigents, some of whom will probably not change their views on Muslims. But I think that those who are / were concerned will be impressed by this belated public show by Muslims.

As for those who are / were concerned I think there is part of the website address, posted below, that helps to explain why they were concerned and why they were right to be concerned.

----"french-muslims-plead-do-not-remain-deaf-dumb-blind-terrorism"----
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Not seen anyone who fits that bill C2.

Glad you approve of the condemnations though.

You may find this interesting:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

It misses out the latest report:

https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publications/te-sat2011.pdf

""Islamist terrorists carried out three attacks on EU terri- tory. Separatist groups, on the other hand, were respon- sible for 160 attacks, while left-wing and anarchist groups were responsible for 45 attacks. One single-issue attack was reported from Greece.""

USA:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/
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http://m.france24.com/en/20151121-french-muslims-plead-do-not-remain-deaf-dumb-blind-terrorism

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[...]

Bechmella, a resident of Venissieux, in Lyon, makes a plea to fellow Muslims: "I call on all the Muslims of France to protect our beautiful religion, to track down these impostors who pass as Muslims while killing people.”

[...]


On Tuesday, the Muslim Students of France (EMF) released a video in which they expressed their emotion in the style of a poetry slam. "I am in pain for France, they wanted to weaken France, but they have strengthened the heart of the French"

[...]

During an interview on FRANCE 24 TV on Wednesday, Chirani Mohamed, a former delegate of the Seine-Saint-Denis prefecture, echoed the call for Muslims to rally against fundamentalist terror.

[...]

Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris, on Monday expressed "solidarity", "dismay" and a "rejection of these unspeakable acts" that "targeted innocent victims". He called on imams Friday to participate in a solemn prayer "to show our compassion and share in the grief of the (victims’) families.” Boubakeur, former president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM), reiterated the urgency of ensuring unity in times of collective pain. "We, the Muslims of France, stress the need for national unity, and together oppose this evil which attacks us indiscriminately…. We are all victims of this barbarity.”


Good. Now will the Intransigents applaud this or rant on about all Muslims being terrorists or condoners of such?
There are undoubtedly what 'we' would call peaceable 'Muslims' who would genuinely like to get along with 'we' Kufrs and indeed fellow 'Muslims' of all kinds of different hues and perspectives - and I am among the first to applaud them and indeed sincerely hope they never mug up on the saying and doings of Muhammad once he moved down to Medina and gained a political power base. Muhammad in the last years of his life - according to their stuff - would have been seriously hacked off with any Muslim who seriously sought peace with non-believers. By non-believers he included 'Muslims' of hues deemed too distant from his own line of thinking/belief.
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Current events are clearly forcing a deeper schism among the muslim population. Radicals vs Moderate. It is a natural process which starts at the 3rd generation of migrants, but it will hasten the process.

The assassinations of drawers wasn't that important, because sadly many muslims don't understand the right to blasphemy yet. So many just thought that they somehow looked for trouble and had what was coming at them. With the recent event, it's everybody who's targeted for no clear reason. Therefore, most muslims must now admit the reality of the horror. And most will choose France and the Republic over Islamism in a heartbit.
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Good post. Polls in the UK concluded that a lot of Muslims felt indifferent towards the hebdo event. Could be a similar wake up call for us, I hope. Sadly
as I pointed out in another thread, a poll found that 27.9% of 2k UK Muslims had sympathies for IS. A worrying stat. We must do more to destroy radicalisation.

I would love to ban religious-indoctrination schools of all kinds. I am sure you have the same in France.
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Not seen anyone who fits that bill C2.

Glad you approve of the condemnations though.
Would you care to clarify your comment ?
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No hidden agenda or attack on you, it means what it says. Just saying no one is blind to terrorism, that I've seen.
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Not seen anyone who fits that bill C2.

Glad you approve of the condemnations though.

You may find this interesting:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

It misses out the latest report:

https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publications/te-sat2011.pdf

""Islamist terrorists carried out three attacks on EU terri- tory. Separatist groups, on the other hand, were respon- sible for 160 attacks, while left-wing and anarchist groups were responsible for 45 attacks. One single-issue attack was reported from Greece.""

USA:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

Well I guess that puts paid to the 'All Terrorists are Muslim' argument.

I welcome what is heard, I would greatly welcome seeing IS sympathisers shopped, the Mosques delivering the message called for, the desire to fully integrate ..... actions!
Until then, just as our own politicians say one thing, do the other, I remain sceptical.

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Not seen anyone who fits that bill C2.

Glad you approve of the condemnations though.

You may find this interesting:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

It misses out the latest report:

https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publications/te-sat2011.pdf

""Islamist terrorists carried out three attacks on EU terri- tory. Separatist groups, on the other hand, were respon- sible for 160 attacks, while left-wing and anarchist groups were responsible for 45 attacks. One single-issue attack was reported from Greece.""

USA:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/
I do not get the impression that loonwatch has an unbiased objective view of the situation. Pointing out that some countries have individual problems with terrorism is different to the problem of many countries have a problem that comes from one identifiable united source.

I would also like to see a death count on Islamist terrorism as opposed to non-Muslim terrorism. Along with some indication of the targets of these non-Muslim terrorists. In particular, whether or not they specifically make the public their main target.

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Not seen anyone who fits that bill C2.

Glad you approve of the condemnations though.

You may find this interesting:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

It misses out the latest report:

https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publications/te-sat2011.pdf

""Islamist terrorists carried out three attacks on EU terri- tory. Separatist groups, on the other hand, were respon- sible for 160 attacks, while left-wing and anarchist groups were responsible for 45 attacks. One single-issue attack was reported from Greece.""

USA:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/
I do not get the impression that loonwatch has an unbiased objective view of the situation. Pointing out that some countries have individual problems with terrorism is different to the problem of many countries have a problem that comes from one identifiable united source.

I would also like to see a death count on Islamist terrorism as opposed to non-Muslim terrorism. Along with some indication of the targets of these non-Muslim terrorists. In particular, whether or not they specifically make the public their main target.

C2 the stats are irrefutable I linked just the latest report from the EU.

Those links use and reference official statistics from europol and the FBI, as well as third party news sources who quote the same figures that loonwatch do.

Still you know better than europol and the FBI it seems!
Edited by skwirked, Nov 23 2015, 02:55 PM.
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http://m.france24.com/en/20151121-french-muslims-plead-do-not-remain-deaf-dumb-blind-terrorism

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[...]

Bechmella, a resident of Venissieux, in Lyon, makes a plea to fellow Muslims: "I call on all the Muslims of France to protect our beautiful religion, to track down these impostors who pass as Muslims while killing people.”

[...]


On Tuesday, the Muslim Students of France (EMF) released a video in which they expressed their emotion in the style of a poetry slam. "I am in pain for France, they wanted to weaken France, but they have strengthened the heart of the French"

[...]

During an interview on FRANCE 24 TV on Wednesday, Chirani Mohamed, a former delegate of the Seine-Saint-Denis prefecture, echoed the call for Muslims to rally against fundamentalist terror.

[...]

Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris, on Monday expressed "solidarity", "dismay" and a "rejection of these unspeakable acts" that "targeted innocent victims". He called on imams Friday to participate in a solemn prayer "to show our compassion and share in the grief of the (victims’) families.” Boubakeur, former president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM), reiterated the urgency of ensuring unity in times of collective pain. "We, the Muslims of France, stress the need for national unity, and together oppose this evil which attacks us indiscriminately…. We are all victims of this barbarity.”


Good. Now will the Intransigents applaud this or rant on about all Muslims being terrorists or condoners of such?
Some halfwits on here will no doubt say,it's not enough,or they don't really mean it.
I must be the ''halfwit'' you are referring to..and no I don't believe them..they are afraid of a backlash..and losing their cosy grip..

A resident??

Muslim students of France??

A former delegate of the Seine-Saint-Denis prefecture?

Rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris??

Rector is English..(in the Church of England) the incumbent of a parish where all tithes formerly passed to the incumbent.

So you have Rectors now??



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Not seen anyone who fits that bill C2.

Glad you approve of the condemnations though.

You may find this interesting:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

It misses out the latest report:

https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publications/te-sat2011.pdf

""Islamist terrorists carried out three attacks on EU terri- tory. Separatist groups, on the other hand, were respon- sible for 160 attacks, while left-wing and anarchist groups were responsible for 45 attacks. One single-issue attack was reported from Greece.""

USA:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/
I do not get the impression that loonwatch has an unbiased objective view of the situation. Pointing out that some countries have individual problems with terrorism is different to the problem of many countries have a problem that comes from one identifiable united source.

I would also like to see a death count on Islamist terrorism as opposed to non-Muslim terrorism. Along with some indication of the targets of these non-Muslim terrorists. In particular, whether or not they specifically make the public their main target.

C2 the stats are irrefutable I linked just the latest report from the EU.

Those links use and reference official statistics from europol and the FBI, as well as third party news sources who quote the same figures that loonwatch do.

Still you know better than europol and the FBI it seems!
I have posted my CONCERNS. So do not imply that I claim to know better. It is possible to tell the truth while insinuating a lie. That is why I question the implications made by ---- loonwatch ----. I suspect their chosen title is an insight into their subjective approach.

I did point out that there is a bit of apples and oranges in their approach, if you cannot see that then by all means swallow their implications to the full. I will remain sceptical of their intentions until my concerns are answered.
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Answer the concerns yourself, do some number crunching and tally up the deaths.

The studies cover the whole EU and all of the US.

If you can find a better study be my guest, prove me wrong?
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I have to ask a question..has anyone here lived in Paris or Marseilles for a number of years..I could see the hate boiling over..

If you haven't it may be better if you kept quiet..
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Answer the concerns yourself, do some number crunching and tally up the deaths.

The studies cover the whole EU and all of the US.

If you can find a better study be my guest, prove me wrong?
You produced this information, and for what ? You didn't produce it as a 'for what it's worth' comment so presumably you just accept the implications it makes.

Are we really supposed to believe that the terrorist groups being referred to, and which loonwatch have used to take the heat of Islamism, are blowing up night clubs, trains, planes and the likes of the Twin Towers around the world. Or are forming terror cells around the world ?

I know you are brighter than that.
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C2 stop posting from a position of ignorance and read the actual europol reports and the FBI reports.

It lists the EXACT actions of the groups. I am not being disingenuous.

OK one example direct from the FBI website; same study that loonwatch linked to:

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05#disablemobile

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Stop squirming C2. Do the deaths no crunching yourself if you are interested.

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Some halfwits on here will no doubt say,it's not enough,or they don't really mean it.
I must be the ''halfwit'' you are referring to..and no I don't believe them..they are afraid of a backlash..and losing their cosy grip..

A resident??

Muslim students of France??

A former delegate of the Seine-Saint-Denis prefecture?

Rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris??

Rector is English..(in the Church of England) the incumbent of a parish where all tithes formerly passed to the incumbent.

So you have Rectors now??



Well if you lived in France,as you keep saying that you did,you would know that there are Muslim residents and Muslim students
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I have to ask a question..has anyone here lived in Paris or Marseilles for a number of years..I could see the hate boiling over..

If you haven't it may be better if you kept quiet..
When did you live there?
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I must be the ''halfwit'' you are referring to..and no I don't believe them..they are afraid of a backlash..and losing their cosy grip..

A resident??

Muslim students of France??

A former delegate of the Seine-Saint-Denis prefecture?

Rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris??

Rector is English..(in the Church of England) the incumbent of a parish where all tithes formerly passed to the incumbent.

So you have Rectors now??



Well if you lived in France,as you keep saying that you did,you would know that there are Muslim residents and Muslim students
Errmm because I lived there..
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I have to ask a question..has anyone here lived in Paris or Marseilles for a number of years..I could see the hate boiling over..

If you haven't it may be better if you kept quiet..
When did you live there?
In 1998.. there were places you really would not go..the Metro was one of them after 8 o'clock..

And now I believe..if you have a serious death wish..the place to go is North of Marseilles...
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Well if you lived in France,as you keep saying that you did,you would know that there are Muslim residents and Muslim students
Errmm because I lived there..
There's Muslim residents and students in lots of country's so what I'd your point.
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I have to ask a question..has anyone here lived in Paris or Marseilles for a number of years..I could see the hate boiling over..

If you haven't it may be better if you kept quiet..
When did you live there?
In 1998.. there were places you really would not go..the Metro was one of them after 8 o'clock..

And now I believe..if you have a serious death wish..the place to go is North of Marseilles...
Is it worse that Manningham in Bradford?
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C2 stop posting from a position of ignorance and read the actual europol reports and the FBI reports.

It lists the EXACT actions of the groups. I am not being disingenuous.

OK one example direct from the FBI website; same study that loonwatch linked to:

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05#disablemobile

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Stop squirming C2. Do the deaths no crunching yourself if you are interested.

I have not disputed the facts that you have posted so far, I have disputed the implications made by loonwatch which IMO are quite clearly subjective.

Perhaps you should start reading and understanding my posts before replying ?
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I have to ask a question..has anyone here lived in Paris or Marseilles for a number of years..I could see the hate boiling over..

If you haven't it may be better if you kept quiet..
When did you live there?
In 1998.. there were places you really would not go..the Metro was one of them after 8 o'clock..

And now I believe..if you have a serious death wish..the place to go is North of Marseilles...
There's placed in most big citys where you wouldn't go at night
The world has changed a lot since 1998,,were you there for two weeks ?
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I have to ask a question..has anyone here lived in Paris or Marseilles for a number of years..I could see the hate boiling over..

If you haven't it may be better if you kept quiet..
I guess you weren't there when the Paris Massacre of Algerians occurred in 1961

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Errmm because I lived there..
There's Muslim residents and students in lots of country's so what I'd your point.
That would be because most of the Muslim people in France are Algerian..

And they have an agenda..
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Nov 23 2015, 04:33 PM
skwirked
Nov 23 2015, 03:22 PM
C2 stop posting from a position of ignorance and read the actual europol reports and the FBI reports.

It lists the EXACT actions of the groups. I am not being disingenuous.

OK one example direct from the FBI website; same study that loonwatch linked to:

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05#disablemobile

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Stop squirming C2. Do the deaths no crunching yourself if you are interested.

I have not disputed the facts that you have posted so far, I have disputed the implications made by loonwatch which IMO are quite clearly subjective.

Perhaps you should start reading and understanding my posts before replying ?
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"Are we really supposed to believe that the terrorist groups being referred to, and which loonwatch have used to take the heat of Islamism, are blowing up night clubs, trains, planes and the likes of the Twin Towers around the world."

Hence the FBI graphic to prove you are wrong in your insinuation.


" Or are forming terror cells around the world ?"

If you think Islamists are forming more terror cells than other movements provide proof. I have yet to sed any.

Crunch the death stats yourself.

What insinuations do you suppose I endorse?

All the report appears to claim is that non-Islamists commit the bulk of terrorist actions.

That is undisputed.
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Nov 23 2015, 04:40 PM
C-too
Nov 23 2015, 04:33 PM
skwirked
Nov 23 2015, 03:22 PM
C2 stop posting from a position of ignorance and read the actual europol reports and the FBI reports.

It lists the EXACT actions of the groups. I am not being disingenuous.

OK one example direct from the FBI website; same study that loonwatch linked to:

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05#disablemobile

Posted Image

Stop squirming C2. Do the deaths no crunching yourself if you are interested.

I have not disputed the facts that you have posted so far, I have disputed the implications made by loonwatch which IMO are quite clearly subjective.

Perhaps you should start reading and understanding my posts before replying ?
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"Are we really supposed to believe that the terrorist groups being referred to, and which loonwatch have used to take the heat of Islamism, are blowing up night clubs, trains, planes and the likes of the Twin Towers around the world."

Hence the FBI graphic to prove you are wrong in your insinuation.


" Or are forming terror cells around the world ?"

If you think Islamists are forming more terror cells than other movements provide proof. I have yet to sed any.

Crunch the death stats yourself.

What insinuations do you suppose I endorse?

All the report appears to claim is that non-Islamists commit the bulk of terrorist actions.

That is undisputed.
As I said try reading and understanding my criticism of loonwatch BEFORE REPLYING TO MY POSTS. Or at least take some lessons in comprehension.
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:facepalm: I have responded directly to nearly every point you have made.

What precise points do you want me to address? Quote them and I will address them.
Edited by skwirked, Nov 23 2015, 04:47 PM.
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Nov 23 2015, 04:36 PM
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Nov 23 2015, 04:16 PM
There's Muslim residents and students in lots of country's so what I'd your point.
That would be because most of the Muslim people in France are Algerian..

And they have an agenda..
Could you back that up with facts after all when you were challenged on something yesterday,you didn't
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Nov 23 2015, 04:47 PM
:facepalm: I have responded directly to nearly every point you have made.

What precise points do you want me to address? Quote them and I will address them.
:facepalm: :facepalm: My point is about the reliability of the website and the implications made by the website that you posted. Try reading the comments by the 'loonies' and see if you can question any of the comments made. If you cannot I will point them out for you.
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Nov 23 2015, 05:30 AM
http://m.france24.com/en/20151121-french-muslims-plead-do-not-remain-deaf-dumb-blind-terrorism

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Bechmella, a resident of Venissieux, in Lyon, makes a plea to fellow Muslims: "I call on all the Muslims of France to protect our beautiful religion, to track down these impostors who pass as Muslims while killing people.”

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On Tuesday, the Muslim Students of France (EMF) released a video in which they expressed their emotion in the style of a poetry slam. "I am in pain for France, they wanted to weaken France, but they have strengthened the heart of the French"

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During an interview on FRANCE 24 TV on Wednesday, Chirani Mohamed, a former delegate of the Seine-Saint-Denis prefecture, echoed the call for Muslims to rally against fundamentalist terror.

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Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris, on Monday expressed "solidarity", "dismay" and a "rejection of these unspeakable acts" that "targeted innocent victims". He called on imams Friday to participate in a solemn prayer "to show our compassion and share in the grief of the (victims’) families.” Boubakeur, former president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM), reiterated the urgency of ensuring unity in times of collective pain. "We, the Muslims of France, stress the need for national unity, and together oppose this evil which attacks us indiscriminately…. We are all victims of this barbarity.”


Good. Now will the Intransigents applaud this or rant on about all Muslims being terrorists or condoners of such?
There were front page headlines in one of our major Newspapers today which stated one in five British Muslims supported jihad. I see no reason why the same figure should not apply in other countries. It appears that a third of Muslims in the USA also support Jihad.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/23/poll-1-5-british-muslims

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3364081/posts?page=12 it would help if Muslim women in Britain discarded the Burka , and Muslim men stopped wearing their pyjamas in the streets as a gesture of solidarity with the rest of the UK


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Nov 23 2015, 11:18 PM
skwirked
Nov 23 2015, 05:30 AM
http://m.france24.com/en/20151121-french-muslims-plead-do-not-remain-deaf-dumb-blind-terrorism

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[...]

Bechmella, a resident of Venissieux, in Lyon, makes a plea to fellow Muslims: "I call on all the Muslims of France to protect our beautiful religion, to track down these impostors who pass as Muslims while killing people.”

[...]


On Tuesday, the Muslim Students of France (EMF) released a video in which they expressed their emotion in the style of a poetry slam. "I am in pain for France, they wanted to weaken France, but they have strengthened the heart of the French"

[...]

During an interview on FRANCE 24 TV on Wednesday, Chirani Mohamed, a former delegate of the Seine-Saint-Denis prefecture, echoed the call for Muslims to rally against fundamentalist terror.

[...]

Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris, on Monday expressed "solidarity", "dismay" and a "rejection of these unspeakable acts" that "targeted innocent victims". He called on imams Friday to participate in a solemn prayer "to show our compassion and share in the grief of the (victims’) families.” Boubakeur, former president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM), reiterated the urgency of ensuring unity in times of collective pain. "We, the Muslims of France, stress the need for national unity, and together oppose this evil which attacks us indiscriminately…. We are all victims of this barbarity.”


Good. Now will the Intransigents applaud this or rant on about all Muslims being terrorists or condoners of such?
There were front page headlines in one of our major Newspapers today which stated one in five British Muslims supported jihad. I see no reason why the same figure should not apply in other countries. It appears that a third of Muslims in the USA also support Jihad.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/23/poll-1-5-british-muslims

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3364081/posts?page=12 it would help if Muslim women in Britain discarded the Burka , and Muslim men stopped wearing their pyjamas in the streets as a gesture of solidarity with the rest of the UK


Well mate, the weather is getting cold and most of the men spend most of their time in bed anyway, apart from getting out 5 times a day to kneel on a mat and study the floorboards.
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C-too
Nov 23 2015, 08:32 PM
skwirked
Nov 23 2015, 04:47 PM
:facepalm: I have responded directly to nearly every point you have made.

What precise points do you want me to address? Quote them and I will address them.
:facepalm: :facepalm: My point is about the reliability of the website and the implications made by the website that you posted. Try reading the comments by the 'loonies' and see if you can question any of the comments made. If you cannot I will point them out for you.
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: There are loads of comments on both articles. I only endorse the base claim: the majority of terror attacks [in the west] are non-muslim.

You accept that.

I do not endorse the other insinuations they make, I made this abundantly clear many posts back so what are you fretting about?
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Nov 23 2015, 12:06 PM
skwirked
Nov 23 2015, 09:04 AM
Not seen anyone who fits that bill C2.

Glad you approve of the condemnations though.

You may find this interesting:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

It misses out the latest report:

https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publications/te-sat2011.pdf

""Islamist terrorists carried out three attacks on EU terri- tory. Separatist groups, on the other hand, were respon- sible for 160 attacks, while left-wing and anarchist groups were responsible for 45 attacks. One single-issue attack was reported from Greece.""

USA:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

Well I guess that puts paid to the 'All Terrorists are Muslim' argument.

I welcome what is heard, I would greatly welcome seeing IS sympathisers shopped, the Mosques delivering the message called for, the desire to fully integrate ..... actions!
Until then, just as our own politicians say one thing, do the other, I remain sceptical.



Agreed, as they say... Actions, speak louder than words.

Still it is nice to 'finally' see 'some' Muslims getting their fingers out of their arses and actually being noticed in a good way...for a change.
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Nov 23 2015, 11:18 PM
skwirked
Nov 23 2015, 05:30 AM
http://m.france24.com/en/20151121-french-muslims-plead-do-not-remain-deaf-dumb-blind-terrorism

Quote:
 


[...]

Bechmella, a resident of Venissieux, in Lyon, makes a plea to fellow Muslims: "I call on all the Muslims of France to protect our beautiful religion, to track down these impostors who pass as Muslims while killing people.”

[...]


On Tuesday, the Muslim Students of France (EMF) released a video in which they expressed their emotion in the style of a poetry slam. "I am in pain for France, they wanted to weaken France, but they have strengthened the heart of the French"

[...]

During an interview on FRANCE 24 TV on Wednesday, Chirani Mohamed, a former delegate of the Seine-Saint-Denis prefecture, echoed the call for Muslims to rally against fundamentalist terror.

[...]

Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris, on Monday expressed "solidarity", "dismay" and a "rejection of these unspeakable acts" that "targeted innocent victims". He called on imams Friday to participate in a solemn prayer "to show our compassion and share in the grief of the (victims’) families.” Boubakeur, former president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM), reiterated the urgency of ensuring unity in times of collective pain. "We, the Muslims of France, stress the need for national unity, and together oppose this evil which attacks us indiscriminately…. We are all victims of this barbarity.”


Good. Now will the Intransigents applaud this or rant on about all Muslims being terrorists or condoners of such?
There were front page headlines in one of our major Newspapers today which stated one in five British Muslims supported jihad. I see no reason why the same figure should not apply in other countries. It appears that a third of Muslims in the USA also support Jihad.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/23/poll-1-5-british-muslims

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3364081/posts?page=12 it would help if Muslim women in Britain discarded the Burka , and Muslim men stopped wearing their pyjamas in the streets as a gesture of solidarity with the rest of the UK


Not another guy who's worried about women's clothing?
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Nov 24 2015, 12:20 AM
Tytoalba
Nov 23 2015, 11:18 PM
skwirked
Nov 23 2015, 05:30 AM
There were front page headlines in one of our major Newspapers today which stated one in five British Muslims supported jihad. I see no reason why the same figure should not apply in other countries. It appears that a third of Muslims in the USA also support Jihad.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/23/poll-1-5-british-muslims

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3364081/posts?page=12 it would help if Muslim women in Britain discarded the Burka , and Muslim men stopped wearing their pyjamas in the streets as a gesture of solidarity with the rest of the UK


Well mate, the weather is getting cold and most of the men spend most of their time in bed anyway, apart from getting out 5 times a day to kneel on a mat and study the floorboards.
Most Muslim men spend there time in bed,yet another dreamt up message !===
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