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| French Muslims Speak Out; #NousSommesUnis | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 23 2015, 05:30 AM (785 Views) | |
| skwirked | Nov 23 2015, 05:30 AM Post #1 |
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http://m.france24.com/en/20151121-french-muslims-plead-do-not-remain-deaf-dumb-blind-terrorism
Good. Now will the Intransigents applaud this or rant on about all Muslims being terrorists or condoners of such? Edited by skwirked, Nov 23 2015, 05:32 AM.
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| skwirked | Nov 24 2015, 05:48 AM Post #41 |
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I posted that Sun poll and we demolished the false implications it made. |
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| HIGHWAY | Nov 24 2015, 05:51 AM Post #42 |
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I just blanked that poll,not because it was in the SUN but it is comical |
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| skwirked | Nov 24 2015, 07:48 AM Post #43 |
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Can't find data that backs up his contention "a third of us muslims support jihad", prob made that one up like everything else he posts. And it would seem one poster here has something in common with the 'kneelers'. Not sure how that poster manages it though.
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| Stonefish | Nov 24 2015, 08:10 AM Post #44 |
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Yeah misleading figures eh. However on closer inspection you'll see the other terror groups are both very small and generally not to be taken so seriously , the info is also dated.the loss of life they have incurred is tiny in comparison as well .Further it ignores the foiled attacks by Islamic extremists .50 odd since 7/7 and 7 since last decemver alone. If you really want to think ioslam is just a minor player or not the main threat,feel free,i'm just glad your not in charge of our counter terrorism forces. |
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| skwirked | Nov 24 2015, 08:37 AM Post #45 |
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I dont think Islamic terrorism is minor and I never suggested that. "However on closer inspection you'll see the other terror groups are both very small and generally not to be taken so seriously , the info is also dated.the loss of life they have incurred is tiny in comparison as well .Further it ignores the foiled attacks by Islamic extremists .50 odd since 7/7 and 7 since last decemver alone." Feel free to debunk with better stats. What about foiled non Islamic attacks? Can you prove your assertion about loss of life being tiny? C2 couldn't and I never stated a claim one way or the other. |
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| C-too | Nov 24 2015, 11:30 AM Post #46 |
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There is a difference between independent acts of sometimes so called terrorism and the single usually integrated world wide acts of violent terrorism basically arising from a single source, i.e. Islamism. Your American list included vandalism and damage to property as terrorism !! You and the loonies are indulging in the usual misguiding nonsense, and for what ?Your loony website infers that there is a problem with people believing all or most terrorists are Muslim. Their use of collecting all non-Muslim 'terrorism' is designed to create a delusional hook aimed at convincing people that there is an over concern about Islamist terrorism. I have heard the saying that not all Muslims are terrorists, but most (not all) terrorists are Muslim, in terms of violent murdering terrorism that is a point I completely agree with. I have no doubt that most terrorists guilty of extreme terrorism around the world are Islamist. And people should not be encouraged to take their concerns away from that reality. Those who would play down the Islamist problem may like to show the non-Islamist equivalents of; 9/11, the bombing of the embassy in Kenya, Al-Qaida, terrorist training camps, levels of radicalisation, the Taliban, Osama bin Laden, ISIS along with the many suicide bombing / destruction of holy places, night clubs, shopping centres, busses, trains and so on. World wide activity, and all done in the name of one single non-Muslim source ? If they cannot then just perhaps they may begin to understand that they have an oranges and apples approach that only muddies the waters. |
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| skwirked | Nov 24 2015, 11:42 AM Post #47 |
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Why don't you actually look into non-islamic terrorism though. You aren't interested are you? |
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| C-too | Nov 24 2015, 01:43 PM Post #48 |
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I think the different forms of terrorism deserve to be debated as different issues. |
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| skwirked | Nov 24 2015, 01:50 PM Post #49 |
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I don't. In just one example anti-balaka massacred 1k people in just a day. Do you understand the FBI graphic? Most of the incidents are't joke minor things most are bombings. that have killed people. Why are you trying to shift goal posts and move away from the issue? How dare you make insinuations that I condone or try to play down Islamic terror. |
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| marybrown | Nov 24 2015, 01:56 PM Post #50 |
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I do actually think it is quite strange when we are debating the recent Islamic terror factions..and people say..''how about the non-Muslims terror?'' I think that may have been 70 years ago.. We are talking NOW!!!! |
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| skwirked | Nov 24 2015, 02:00 PM Post #51 |
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All data linked is contemporary, earliest it harks back to is 1985. See for yourself. So far I have been told that in 20-4 80k attacks occurred of which 80k were Islamic. No proof no links nada. |
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| C-too | Nov 24 2015, 02:09 PM Post #52 |
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So you are against all terrorism, well so am I. I have experienced your confused form of debating where just about anything and everything is pulled into the debate, thus ensuring some satisfaction for yourself, but does absolutely nothing in terms of clarification and direction in a debate. |
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| skwirked | Nov 24 2015, 02:12 PM Post #53 |
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I did nothing of the sort. This is my thread and I linked some data and said "this may interest" in a fairly benign cordial way. Immediately you try and make insinuations by using the link to attack me, why exactly? No idea. |
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| marybrown | Nov 24 2015, 02:36 PM Post #54 |
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Maybe we should ask these people how they feel about the ''shootings'' in Paris.. http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/214086/french-city-40-muslim-population-most-dangerous-daniel-greenfield |
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| Tytoalba | Nov 24 2015, 02:59 PM Post #55 |
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When the remaining 80% of peaceful Muslims declare their support for a secular state, and to allow all to worship who they want and when they want, without threats to them. or a desire to decapitate the unbelievers, or to convert us into a sharia state. when they march the streets in unity condemning ISIS or the other warlike factions of their own religion, as they did in opposing Salman Rushdie and his Satanic verses, putting a fatwah on him. When they put a fatwah on their own murderers, then and only then will I believe that they do not intend to try to convert us all, and allow us to live in the peaceful and tolerant manner as we have done for many hundred of years without having to be concerned for our children's futures, or to put in place security measures to protect us from their intent. The French have declared war on the militants, Cameron talks about war on the militants. let us hope that in the future it does not turn into an internal civil war with our own militant enemies within. . Now what is 20% of 5 million, the percentage that support Jihad? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1351251 |
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| HIGHWAY | Nov 24 2015, 03:06 PM Post #56 |
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Did them march on the UK streets about Rushdie. When you mention 5 million,why did you just put the link up,and not the fact that's years and years away,if of course that happens |
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| skwirked | Nov 24 2015, 03:08 PM Post #57 |
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Is that 20% jihadi figure more spin Tyto. Link? Feel free to ignore and avoid. By the way a jihad and *fatwa has been declared against IS. *by some. |
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| marybrown | Nov 24 2015, 03:09 PM Post #58 |
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Ah but Muslims..(who are our current aggressors!) do like to bring back wars that happened 70..200..300 years ago.. We are talking NOW!!!.. Murder in the streets..bombings of innocent people who don't give a tinkers cuss about Islam or their perversions.. They are coming here to attack us. What would you do?? Edited by marybrown, Nov 24 2015, 03:12 PM.
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| skwirked | Nov 24 2015, 03:18 PM Post #59 |
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So many posts on this thread and yet, such little substance. |
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| Tytoalba | Nov 24 2015, 03:18 PM Post #60 |
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In Britain on 2 December 1988, 7,000 Muslims in the town of Bolton staged the first ever demonstration against the Satanic Verses. After the Friday prayers, a certain section of the congregation marched from the Zakariyya Jame Masjid to the town centre and then burned the book. The organisers claimed "It was a peaceful protest, and we burned the book to try and attract public attention".[26] |
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| RJD | Nov 24 2015, 03:43 PM Post #61 |
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Exactly we cannot use one situation to excuse another. ISIL have made their objectives and strategies clear. There is a significant degree of support for such ISIL actions in the UK Muslim Community for us to be very concerned. There is a high degree of resistance within the UK Muslim Community to any involvement in the air or on the ground against ISIl for us to be very concerned. The is a significant number of people here in the UK that believe there is no direct link between the Muslim Religion and the actions of ISIL for us to be very concerned, especially when those that speak on behalf of such claim otherwise. I do not believe that bombing ISIL will win any propaganda war as it is inevitable that there will be what we sanitise as Collateral Damage. I do not believe that western boots filled with western feet, on the ground in Iraq or Syria, will be effective as it will only create more martyrs for the ISIL cause. But we can lean on others (Saudi) to up their oil production and encourage others not to purchase any oil that is pumped out under the name of ISIL. It is said that ISIL have a £2b cash reserve. Where is this, which Banks? Then we must put pressure on ME countries to clear out this nest of Vipers and yes Putin is right our enemies enemy is our friend for the moment and we do need to align ourself with the Russian strategy. I would go as far as saying we should let Russia take the lead. That said I would not object to RAF laser guided bombs destroying ISIL convoys in Syria or Iraq. |
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| skwirked | Nov 24 2015, 03:45 PM Post #62 |
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How bloody stupid "we can guide saudi". Just.
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| Happy Hornet | Nov 24 2015, 03:51 PM Post #63 |
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Meanwhile over on the "should all British Muslims be scared" thread, a poster has advocated the "extermination" of all muslims. I assume that all of you calling for muslims to condemn the extremists on their community will be making their way over to said thread to condemn this extremist immediately. Be rather hypocritical of you if you didn't wouldn't it? |
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| skwirked | Nov 24 2015, 03:54 PM Post #64 |
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No they are atheistic westerner europeans and they say we are forrin muck so best accept whatever they say as total (christian not christian) gospel. |
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| C-too | Nov 24 2015, 04:22 PM Post #65 |
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French Muslims Speak Out You introduced data that was originally designed to dilute anxiety over Islamism. That is what the website was about and you continued its theme. You continued even after the subjective nature of the site was pointed out. I have quite reasonably attacked your form of debating pointing out how you have more than once managed to muddy the waters through the introduction of unrelated comments. Your thread is about Muslims being publicly active against Islamism, not about vandalism in the US, or terrorism by non-Islamists. |
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| skwirked | Nov 24 2015, 04:27 PM Post #66 |
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Ah so now you have found my agenda inspector closeau. So am I an Islamist with an axe to grind or just an out n out IS terrorist? |
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| HIGHWAY | Nov 24 2015, 04:50 PM Post #67 |
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Your lucky I got called an ISIS supporter maybe even a activist |
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| skwirked | Nov 24 2015, 04:56 PM Post #68 |
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I have been called a refugee, pedofile terrorist lol. It makes me laugh when they try their best to insult and insinuate. |
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| HIGHWAY | Nov 24 2015, 04:56 PM Post #69 |
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A peaceful protest and March to see a book being burned But didn't you say all Muslims were not peacefull or nice people |
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| marybrown | Nov 24 2015, 04:58 PM Post #70 |
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You blokes make me laugh..none of you have ever lived in Paris..or Marseilles..and yet you all know what is going on in France.. It was going on a long time before ISIS was invented.. |
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| HIGHWAY | Nov 24 2015, 05:01 PM Post #71 |
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Dammit,,I havnt been called any of those things,,,,,yet |
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| skwirked | Nov 24 2015, 05:03 PM Post #72 |
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You know this how exactly? Psychic? |
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| marybrown | Nov 24 2015, 05:06 PM Post #73 |
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No Swirked..I..will ..say..this..slowly.. I have lived in these places.. Have you?.. No..thought not..
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| skwirked | Nov 24 2015, 05:08 PM Post #74 |
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Thanks. Do you understand what you write? |
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| Tytoalba | Nov 24 2015, 06:43 PM Post #75 |
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No There does seem to be a tendency to misinterpret another post to suit ones own agenda. I have no desire to harm anyone or to threaten anyone, but like many in France and Belgium, I am beginning to feel threatened in Britain, by the adherents of a particular religion. The Government keeps saying threats are imminent and we should all be on our guard, and that they have prevented a number of terrorist attacks already. The question that has to be answered is "Who is for and who is against", and unless the against terrorism state their position especially amongst the Muslim population, then there will be the suspicion that they are supportive of the Muslim intent to convert us all and by any means. Threaten us or our way of life and there may well be a reaction |
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| Happy Hornet | Nov 24 2015, 07:26 PM Post #76 |
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Ty, your last line sounds like a thinly veiled threat to me. If you want to feel safer and see the situation diffused, maybe you should start with the man in the mirror. |
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| HIGHWAY | Nov 24 2015, 07:39 PM Post #77 |
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Don't say ,,,man in the mirror,,,that's a famous Michael Jackson son who apparently wad becoming a Muslim before his death, He wouldn't be associated with any of hid songs |
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| Deleted User | Nov 24 2015, 07:59 PM Post #78 |
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I can see why the frightened and ignorant blamed the Jews for bubonic plague. The scared and cowardly need a scapegoat to project their fear and hatred. Anyone who cannot see that the Islamic fundies are the common enemy of Christians/secular people and moderate Muslims are part of the problem not the solution. |
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| skwirked | Nov 24 2015, 11:03 PM Post #79 |
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Warning: bloody moronic twatheads replying.. |
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| Tytoalba | Nov 24 2015, 11:03 PM Post #80 |
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Can I quote Shakespeare. If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that. If a Jew wrong a Christian, what is his humility? Revenge. If a Christian wrong a Jew, what should his sufferance be by Christian example? Why, revenge. The villainy you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard, but I will better the instruction. That seems to be the trend of human nature . We react to provocation and threats. What do you expect? Just who is threatening who? |
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Not sure how that poster manages it though.
I have responded directly to nearly every point you have made.

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