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| French Muslims Speak Out; #NousSommesUnis | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 23 2015, 05:30 AM (782 Views) | |
| skwirked | Nov 23 2015, 05:30 AM Post #1 |
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http://m.france24.com/en/20151121-french-muslims-plead-do-not-remain-deaf-dumb-blind-terrorism
Good. Now will the Intransigents applaud this or rant on about all Muslims being terrorists or condoners of such? Edited by skwirked, Nov 23 2015, 05:32 AM.
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| Deleted User | Nov 25 2015, 04:09 PM Post #121 |
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IMO it is only in the past couple of decades that White Brits( on the whole) accepted that racism exists in the UK...or even what it means... |
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| Happy Hornet | Nov 25 2015, 04:11 PM Post #122 |
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PV, I'm not saying that you should, I'm asking your opinion, if you dont want to answer then fair enough. But if an individual discusses a subject at length, without mentioning a certain factor, despite being repeatedly asked about it, is it unreasonable to assume that they don't want to talk about it? |
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| marybrown | Nov 25 2015, 04:13 PM Post #123 |
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You don't know me Skirked..It would be nice if you stopped making presumptions.. |
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| skwirked | Nov 25 2015, 04:17 PM Post #124 |
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Likewise M. "none of you guys have lived in paris or marseille" Because you are psychic and know where me highway and hh have lived..fucking christ almighty. |
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| avagrumble | Nov 25 2015, 05:01 PM Post #125 |
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All these Muslims condemning the killings of non-believers (muslim term), wouldn't dare to utter condemnation if they still lived in the middle East. A bit similar to a West Ham football fan standing alone in the Liverpool end of the ground, he wouldn't jump up and down if his team scored. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 25 2015, 05:21 PM Post #126 |
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And your point is? |
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| skwirked | Nov 25 2015, 05:25 PM Post #127 |
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| Pro Veritas | Nov 25 2015, 05:49 PM Post #128 |
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Or they see no reason to talk about because their opinion on that factor has already been established - which mine has, I condemn all forms of racist abuse. All The Best |
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| Happy Hornet | Nov 25 2015, 06:22 PM Post #129 |
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PV, fair enough, but my question was more about whether you think it was a factor in the failure of some immigrants and their offspring to integrate? |
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| Pro Veritas | Nov 25 2015, 06:44 PM Post #130 |
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I believe it probably is. But I also believe it is one of those "which came first" situations as well: do immigrant fail to integrate because they suffer abuse, or do they suffer abuse because they fail to integrate? I suspect that, depending on specific case circumstances, it is a little of both. As Mary pointed out above your family members forced to flee from a park because of racist abuse may equally have been forced to flee due to abuse because they were ginger, fat or wore glasses (that is not to say I think such abuse acceptable - just that I recognise it exists and has many varied causes). The human species is inherently tribal and when no obvious tribal borders exist we create them; it has, unfortunately, always been thus. I believe that part of the failure of modern socio-political thought is that it has tried to ignore/destroy that tribalism, rather than accepting that it just a matter of fact. All The Best Edited by Pro Veritas, Nov 25 2015, 06:45 PM.
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| Happy Hornet | Nov 25 2015, 06:52 PM Post #131 |
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PV, I agree to a point, but as I said to Mary, people who are bullied over their weight often end up comfort eating even more, withdrawing into themselves, not going out or socialising much etc, or even in some cases becoming bitter and resentful towards skinny people. A variation on the same theme with certain immigrants and their relationship with the indigenous population. Also, its not like fat people or ginger people have seen political parties being formed and campaigning too kick them out if their own country. Whilst I'm not belittling any form if bullying, I just dont think its in the same league. Edited by Happy Hornet, Nov 25 2015, 06:55 PM.
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| Stonefish | Nov 25 2015, 08:21 PM Post #132 |
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Neither,this is nothing ,a drop in the ocean.when I see 50000 muslims marching down the Champs with banners saying ' not in my name' i'll get excited. |
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| Stonefish | Nov 25 2015, 08:24 PM Post #133 |
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Not even close to being good enough,but I'm sure they mean it. I'm sure some uneducated bigots will condemn such thoughts though. |
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| Stonefish | Nov 25 2015, 08:27 PM Post #134 |
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For the record,because some people don't know what it means Bigotry From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Spoiler: click to toggle BIGOTIn English the word "bigot" refers to a person whose habitual state of mind includes an obstinate, irrational, or unfair intolerance of ideas, opinions, ethnicities, or beliefs that differ from their own, and intolerance of the people who hold them. Modedited to hide (under Spoiler a load of wasted space) Edited by Steve K, Nov 25 2015, 08:32 PM.
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| Stonefish | Nov 25 2015, 08:53 PM Post #135 |
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Racism it could be argued is a factor in the failure of immigrants to integrate,but not the way you perceive it. I've lived in an number of mixed communities around the world ,except they weren't so mixed. I found the vast majority tend to prefer to stick to their own ultimately,i don't think it's anything sinister,just a feeling of being more comfortable,but it could be called racist. Look at cities like Birmingham or many others. It's not rocket science is it |
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| HIGHWAY | Nov 25 2015, 09:09 PM Post #136 |
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Or the Costas,Algarve,even Downunder |
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