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Bubble spotting
Topic Started: Nov 23 2015, 10:55 AM (160 Views)
RJD
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The country's average rose by 1.9 per cent in October, taking the annual growth to 10.5 per cent. That means the national average cost of a house now stands at £224,242, according to estate agent group Haart.

In London, prices rose 1.5 per cent on the month, taking the annual increase to 4.2 per cent. The average price of a house in the capital is now £510,925.

While there has been fear of a bubble growing, particularly in London, the estate agent believes the lack of supply means prices could continue to rise.

Paul Smith, chief executive of Haart, said: “This trend is the outcome of diminished stock levels which are currently at their lowest since February, meaning there are now 12 buyers chasing every property to come to market.


House prices peaked

Trouble is even if we put every available shoulder to the task we would not have enough bricks and layers of such.

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The increasing shortages of bricks and bricklayers will threaten future house building plans, warns the Federation of Master Builders (FMB).

Commenting on the results of the FMB’s latest State of Trade Survey for Q1 2015, Brian Berry, Chief Executive of the FMB, said:


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In 2007 the Labour government set a target for 240,000 homes to be built a year by 2016. The UK is nowhere near that.
Why?

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We need ~250,000 PA so they say, but we are a long way off target and this is not due solely to the current Gov. who at least tries.

LINK - BBC
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skwirked
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Renovate disused or old properties first.

Charge landowners wasting usable land/property that remains a land tax or make them renovate it. Use council discretion here.

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Here in Eastern England there now appears to be a limit on how much debt people are prepared to take on just to live in a rabbit hutch, starts are down as is buyer interest.

I've long held the opinion that house prices reflect the amount of available credit, Proof? Without Help to Buy which is a taxpayer bribe to the banks and construction firms the demand would fall off a cliff, or horror of horrors prices would have to drop to match punters real wages.
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RJD
Nov 23 2015, 10:55 AM

and this is not due solely to the current Gov. who at least tries.


Garbage of course, straight from the ministry of untruths. (Welsh dept)

The government is likely to cut the money available to technical colleges, = fewer qualified tradesmen, still waiting for the oft promised shake up of planning regs, only been three and a bit years now, prices far to high, no chance of that being addressed with curbs on property speculation, and finally the Housing and Planning Bill 2015 which will force providers of reasonably priced social housing to flog their properties off, in addition many poorer households will soon be paying "market rates" which could add up to £3k to a tenants annual rent.

So in short the wanky government is doing everything it can to keep prices in the upper atmosphere.

File under thick as two short planks and as dumb as a brick.
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Building new housing will solve the housing shortage problem, but it will add to the even greater problem of this country's massive overpopulation and urbanisation which the housing shortage exposes.

The politicians of course won't address the latter problem because it requires the kind of leadership and decision-making which is beyond them. They are, after all, only there to represent the moneyed classes.
Edited by Cymru, Nov 23 2015, 08:39 PM.
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There are two ways of looking at this RJD, one is, as you mentioned above, a shortage of bricks and trowels and the other is too many bods chasing too few properties, obviously a middle equilibrium could be reached if both sides of the argument were to pull their fingers out, ie, planning inspectors and building companies holding back property building and brick manufacturers which, if they wanted to could up their production and then the government to grasp the nettle of too many bods in this country.
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RJD
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Nov 23 2015, 08:36 PM
Building new housing will solve the housing shortage problem, but it will add to the even greater problem of this country's massive overpopulation and urbanisation which the housing shortage exposes.

The politicians of course won't address the latter problem because it requires the kind of leadership and decision-making which is beyond them. They are, after all, only there to represent the moneyed classes.
True in the first part, but I have no idea who you mean as monied class. Is that all those who own houses? You say it if it is a slur, but most people aspire to be monied and not in poverty dependent on charity. As for what the Gov. can do in Law, you know for some degree it's hands are tied and only leaving the EU and imposing an Australian styled points system will allow us to moderate the inflow of economic migrants. I understand from a recent poll ~75% want to see such a points system imposed for all, EU citizens included.
As for genuine asylum seekers we should continue to do our bit and take a fairish share.

As for building a socialist state, then only over our dead bodies and here I believe I speak for the vast majority.
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Nov 23 2015, 08:55 PM
There are two ways of looking at this RJD, one is, as you mentioned above, a shortage of bricks and trowels and the other is too many bods chasing too few properties, obviously a middle equilibrium could be reached if both sides of the argument were to pull their fingers out, ie, planning inspectors and building companies holding back property building and brick manufacturers which, if they wanted to could up their production and then the government to grasp the nettle of too many bods in this country.
Not a lot the Gov. can do wrt to planning without massive objections from the NIMBY lot and various groups for the preservation of whatever. As for making more bricks well that takes time, years. I do not believe brick and cement and sand companies are refusing to take orders they can fulfil.

I think we need a few new Garden Cities, particularly in the south. Elsewhere I see on High Streets a lot of vacant properties that are unlikely ever to become for commercial use again and here Local Authorities should allow a change to use and allow these to become residential.

However, the big problem is with "affordable housing". What are these? Can we build them? Looks like early 1950s prefabs too me.




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!jk! !jk! !jk! !jk!

Garden cities(!!)

That'll fix everything...sigh.
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Where are all those floods of new immigrants going to live, school their children, find hospital beds, collect their benifits etc!
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Nov 25 2015, 11:45 AM
Where are all those floods of new immigrants going to live, school their children, find hospital beds, collect their benifits etc!
Take in some Lodgers and earn some money from your spare rooms.
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