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Jeremy Corbyn 'Systematically' Attacked By British Press The Moment He Became Leader, Research Claim
Topic Started: Nov 26 2015, 09:41 PM (1,564 Views)
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/26/jeremy-corbyn-media-coverage_n_8653886.html

We do not have a free press, we have a press where one is free to say what one wishes within the limitations set by an establishment which on the one hand does not want to appear to be silencing all dissent because that would make their power obvious, but on the other hand will not allow popular upstarts like Corbyn to become a genuine threat to them.

This establishment prefers the manufactured opposition they act out their 'disagreements' with for the public's benefit.
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Nov 27 2015, 04:47 PM
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A picture says more than 1000 words.
But the words will be very different dependent on the person viewing.
Sure the left would see a media in panic to undermine this man whilst the righ would see a fool attempting to be leader
Panic? You jest the sound is pure derision blown on a band of Cor Anglais.
Happy to change panic for fear.
I am no fan or Corbyn but I fear he could get support from being the underdog. Brits love to back the underdog. Next few days will see what support he has.
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Nov 27 2015, 08:39 PM
i'm reminded of how the establishment neutered Julian Assange ...... If Corbyn survives the muck raking, they'll make the mud up and make it stick.

If only Assange had got himself neutered maybe he wouldn't have got into so much trouble deceiving Swedish ladies ;-)
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A picture says more than 1000 words.


This one says two.... deliberately misleading.
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Nov 27 2015, 08:39 PM
i'm reminded of how the establishment neutered Julian Assange ...... If Corbyn survives the muck raking, they'll make the mud up and make it stick.

The funny thing is Cameron is currently behaving like Blair did in the run up to the second Iraq War, and despite the right wing media being shameless cheerleaders for some symbolic air strikes various opinion polls show the public is still suspicious of open ended military action.

Given the fractious nature of the ME and the complication of two competing external power blocks, who both have loose ties to corrupt Arab nations, the potential for Cameron to replicate Blair's errors is highly likely, especially if bombs start going off around the country and people tire of being involved in a region that usually defies logic. Against this backdrop Corbyn's alleged appeasement could well find a receptive audience once the bullshit and bravado subsides.
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Nov 27 2015, 09:23 PM
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Nov 27 2015, 08:39 PM
i'm reminded of how the establishment neutered Julian Assange ...... If Corbyn survives the muck raking, they'll make the mud up and make it stick.

The funny thing is Cameron is currently behaving like Blair did in the run up to the second Iraq War, and despite the right wing media being shameless cheerleaders for some symbolic air strikes various opinion polls show the public is still suspicious of open ended military action.

Given the fractious nature of the ME and the complication of two competing external power blocks, who both have loose ties to corrupt Arab nations, the potential for Cameron to replicate Blair's errors is highly likely, especially if bombs start going off around the country and people tire of being involved in a region that usually defies logic. Against this backdrop Corbyn's alleged appeasement could well find a receptive audience once the bullshit and bravado subsides.
You may well be right, but only time will tell, the vote may not go Camerons way, nonetheless, I think that there is one lesson that democratic countries HAVE learnt over time.....when dealing with terrorists that have no interest whatsoever in dialogue, appeasement is no answer and it is my belief that when dealing with these types the rules of the Geneva convention should be locked away in a dark room and they should be dealt with in the same manner as they deal in which means that THEY will be on tenterhooks and always looking over their shoulders, we need infiltrators to get in amongst the scum and gain their confidence, once done then "paint" them and bugger off and move on to the next group.
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This may surprise you but in my view we should put aside all differences with the other like minded nations and form a grand coalition to crush ISIS with ground, air and naval forces, and do it sooner rather than later, we should also play a leading role in cutting off the funds to these bearded vermin.

The longer this drags on the more people will tire of it, especially if we are being lied to or mislead as was the case with Blair.People get pissed of with ambiguity from politicians.
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As I understand it Corbyn's argument on the matter is we should bomb them until we have a complete plan to destroy them and establish a stable state afterwards

Well stuff that Corber's we need to bomb them now to stop them winning and to degrade their thiefocracy that funds attacks in Western countries, Why on earth would we not want to play our fair part in limiting that?

Poor logic Jeremy
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This may surprise you but in my view we should put aside all differences with the other like minded nations and form a grand coalition to crush ISIS with ground, air and naval forces, and do it sooner rather than later, we should also play a leading role in cutting off the funds to these bearded vermin.

The longer this drags on the more people will tire of it, especially if we are being lied to or mislead as was the case with Blair.People get pissed of with ambiguity from politicians.
If that were to be the case, and it was a successful venture (most likely imo) then it would certainly set the standard for any other terrorist organisation thinking of putting it's head above the parapet.....yes, it is no good pissing about at the edges, lets go in, hard fast and with no equivocation, take no prisoners and make sure that the toothless UN stays put for at least a decade to make sure that fair play is guaranteed for those that are left to pick up the pieces and to constantly remind them that if they do not want this to happen again then they must fight their own battles and to not let the arguments begin in the first instances by installing dictators and letting themselves be walked over.

Yes, yes, I know the west installed Saddam and the whatsis title in Iraq, but that is in the past now, we must go in, clean out IS and leave Assad to his own devices, if his people do not want him then they themselves must do something about that.
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A picture says more than 1000 words.
But the words will be very different dependent on the person viewing.
Sure the left would see a media in panic to undermine this man whilst the righ would see a fool attempting to be leader
He undermines himself, and he is certainly no leader. He has reached his level of incompetence, known as the Peter
To try and safeguard his position he has been surrounded by even more incompetents so that they are no threat to him.
Unfortunately it seems he has been left with only four supporters.

Principle.
http://softpanorama.org/Bookshelf/Classic/peter_principle.shtml
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Unfortunately you may be right. The infiltration by the Magic Wand brigade has already created splits within the party.
I understand that Corbyn did not let Hilary know the contents of his speech before he gave it and this appears to have been done with intent to deceive.
There is no glue holding this bunch together, I could not call them a clique or a cabal just a bunch, not only do they sing from differing Hymn Sheets they also use different Bibles. If Corbyn does not get a grip over his colleagues and forge a common view then he is lost. He has to force collective responsibility, but I doubt he has the skill, intellect or wisdom to be able to achieve such. One cannot run a supposed Opposition in this way. Come back Gordon Brown all is forgiven.
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Panic? You jest the sound is pure derision blown on a band of Cor Anglais.
Happy to change panic for fear.
I am no fan or Corbyn but I fear he could get support from being the underdog. Brits love to back the underdog. Next few days will see what support he has.
I didn't see poor old Michael Foot getting any support, and I would have to place Corbyn in the same stable as Foot.
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Happy to change panic for fear.
I am no fan or Corbyn but I fear he could get support from being the underdog. Brits love to back the underdog. Next few days will see what support he has.
I didn't see poor old Michael Foot getting any support, and I would have to place Corbyn in the same stable as Foot.
I think not Corbyn is no intellectual, he has limited intellect and just blathers on with his populist lefty empty slogans that his camp followers love to hear. Poor old Michael Foot was a great orator and although I did not buy his politics he was an intellectual of much standing. But poor Michael was also lacking in leadership skills, he had none, he was a classic academic loner. However poor Jeremy is thick and incompetent, but it is understandable that others hold a different view.



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I think not Corbyn is no intellectual, he has limited intellect and just blathers on with his populist lefty empty slogans . . .



:nono:

If you really think that you haven't once watched him at the despatch box. Methinks you know better but feel a false line is needed as you think your case is weak

One of the best parliamentary moments of the year was that instant incisive and game changing "the prime minister is doing his best, I appreciate that" Cameron has never really recovered from that.
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I think not Corbyn is no intellectual, he has limited intellect and just blathers on with his populist lefty empty slogans . . .



:nono:

If you really think that you haven't once watched him at the despatch box. Methinks you know better but feel a false line is needed as you think your case is weak

One of the best parliamentary moments of the year was that instant incisive and game changing "the prime minister is doing his best, I appreciate that" Cameron has never really recovered from that.


The phrase 'flogging a dead horse' comes to mind. :P
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Nov 27 2015, 08:39 PM
i'm reminded of how the establishment neutered Julian Assange ...... If Corbyn survives the muck raking, they'll make the mud up and make it stick.

I don't know what is wrong with the man..no-one believes his bullshit..He had a chance..and now is saying all the wrong words..

Fat lady Abbot won't win him any points..
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i'm reminded of how the establishment neutered Julian Assange ...... If Corbyn survives the muck raking, they'll make the mud up and make it stick.

If only Assange had got himself neutered maybe he wouldn't have got into so much trouble deceiving Swedish ladies ;-)

Looks a if you have abandoned the 'innocent before proven guilty' previously held belief ....... Taking to task those that desire the accused/alleged sexual abuse celebrities face their accusers in court is the other side of this coin.

Edited by Affa, Nov 28 2015, 02:38 PM.
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If you really think that you haven't once watched him at the despatch box.
Quite.
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i'm reminded of how the establishment neutered Julian Assange ...... If Corbyn survives the muck raking, they'll make the mud up and make it stick.

If only Assange had got himself neutered maybe he wouldn't have got into so much trouble deceiving Swedish ladies ;-)

Looks as if you have abandoned the 'innocent before proven guilty' previously held belief ....... Taking to task those that desire the accused/alleged sexual abuse celebrities face their accusers in court is the other side of this coin.

But arty, there was proof! Witnesses who weren't at all manipulated were willing to testify against him. These witnesses were provenly unbiased.

Whereas the provenly biased discredited witnesses were, well discredited in the case of the abuse stuff. All of them.



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Looks a if you have abandoned the 'innocent before proven guilty' previously held belief ....... how Cameronesque of you.

But arty, there was proof! Witnesses who weren't at all manipulated were willing to testify against him. These witnesses were provenly unbiased.

Whereas the provenly biased discredited witnesses were, well discredited in the case of the abuse stuff. All of them.



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The post you quoted has been edited!

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So it has. I hope you get my point though. ;)
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Of course, it would be wiser for the right wing press to go easy on him to prevent him leaving quickly. If they can keep him there until the next election, it will be like Miliband but worse. I imagine the Tories are far more scared of Corbyn being kicked out early, with enough time for a more credible, media friendly candidate to get in.
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Of course, it would be wiser for the right wing press to go easy on him to prevent him leaving quickly. If they can keep him there until the next election, it will be like Miliband but worse. I imagine the Tories are far more scared of Corbyn being kicked out early, with enough time for a more credible, media friendly candidate to get in.
Too late the damage is done and Labour do not have a Blair to turn to. Who out of the motley lot that lost to Corbyn would be able to turn the tide? I see nobody on the horizon and to rebuild an election winning platform takes years. They chose Blair, a vote magnet, replaced him with a dour Scot, then had Milliband thrust upon them and after that disaster chose the dregs from the bottom of the barrel. I am not sure whether the Beast from B would not be an improvement.

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So it has. I hope you get my point though. ;)

I did, ambiguity and all ......... I removed the Cameronesque phrase knowing it would incur another mod intervention in the smooth running and normal exchanges that happen in adult conversations where sensitivities aren't so delicate.

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i'm reminded of how the establishment neutered Julian Assange ...... If Corbyn survives the muck raking, they'll make the mud up and make it stick.

I don't know what is wrong with the man..no-one believes his bullshit..He had a chance..and now is saying all the wrong words..

Fat lady Abbot won't win him any points..
She would have been better of if she had become a "madam" at least then she could have tutored her employees based on experience.
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Ah well I edited my quoting of you. Now you may edit your quote of a quote of yourself and this last post which I will not quote, in order to save further editing, but I will have to edit tgis post and in future I will be more careful about quoting that which is not to be quoted within a quote. Unless that quote is that which is meant to be quoted.
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Ah well I edited my quoting of you. Now you may edit your quote of a quote of yourself and this last post which I will not quote, in order to save further editing, but I will have to edit tgis post and in future I will be more careful about quoting that which is not to be quoted within a quote. Unless that quote is that which is meant to be quoted.

Or just say what mean and be damned! ;D

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Ah well I edited my quoting of you. Now you may edit your quote of a quote of yourself and this last post which I will not quote, in order to save further editing, but I will have to edit tgis post and in future I will be more careful about quoting that which is not to be quoted within a quote. Unless that quote is that which is meant to be quoted.

Or just say what mean and be damned! ;D

It only becomes shite if you listen to it.
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Ah well I edited my quoting of you. Now you may edit your quote of a quote of yourself and this last post which I will not quote, in order to save further editing, but I will have to edit tgis post and in future I will be more careful about quoting that which is not to be quoted within a quote. Unless that quote is that which is meant to be quoted.

Or just say what mean and be damned! ;D

Humour is lost on some. :(
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If you really think that you haven't once watched him at the despatch box.
Quite.
At the dispatch box he reads pre prepared statements. Who prepares them is uncertain. He rarely stands alone and debates freely. He has been in parliament long enough to be comfortable in front of the House.
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Happy to change panic for fear.
I am no fan or Corbyn but I fear he could get support from being the underdog. Brits love to back the underdog. Next few days will see what support he has.
I didn't see poor old Michael Foot getting any support, and I would have to place Corbyn in the same stable as Foot.
That was then, this is now.
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"I am no fan or Corbyn but I fear he could get support from being the underdog. Brits love to back the underdog. Next few days will see what support he has."

Faultless post.
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I didn't see poor old Michael Foot getting any support, and I would have to place Corbyn in the same stable as Foot.
That was then, this is now.
I can't help but see the similarities, Foot had more honesty and decency in his little finger than Thatcher had in the whole of her body.

Yes the situation is different, but Thatcher, helped by the media, revealed a high level of callousness, greed and naivety in the British that truly shocked me.

Following WWII there did appear to be a sense of a one country mentality, I think Thatcher just about wiped that out.
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That was then, this is now.
I can't help but see the similarities, Foot had more honesty and decency in his little finger than Thatcher had in the whole of her body.

Yes the situation is different, but Thatcher, helped by the media, revealed a high level of callousness, greed and naivety in the British that truly shocked me.

Following WWII there did appear to be a sense of a one country mentality, I think Thatcher just about wiped that out.


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Of course, it would be wiser for the right wing press to go easy on him to prevent him leaving quickly. If they can keep him there until the next election, it will be like Miliband but worse. I imagine the Tories are far more scared of Corbyn being kicked out early, with enough time for a more credible, media friendly candidate to get in.
Well a good few Tories gerrymanderied the leadership election to ensure that Corbyn was elected by paying £3 to vote. Stupid gimmick that was totally.
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i'm reminded of how the establishment neutered Julian Assange ...... If Corbyn survives the muck raking, they'll make the mud up and make it stick.

If only Assange had got himself neutered maybe he wouldn't have got into so much trouble deceiving Swedish ladies ;-)

Looks a if you have abandoned the 'innocent before proven guilty' previously held belief ....... Taking to task those that desire the accused/alleged sexual abuse celebrities face their accusers in court is the other side of this coin.

:rubchin: you may be right. I thought he'd admitted not telling each woman about the other saying "it's legal in England" but not so sure now
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I have nothing personal against Mr Corbyn, I have never met the man, but it seems clear to me that the leader, ANY leader of the UK must be able to command respect from other world leaders, as it stands, it seems very apparent to me that not only does he lack respect from the people of the UK (only an election would prove this) but he fails to command respect from his cabinet and his members in the house (I use the word "his" in the loosest possible sense)
thus I fail to see how his opinions (if ever asked for) would sway other world leaders in one direction or another.

In short.....he is not to be taken seriously and has dragged, indeed IS dragging her Majesties elected opposition back to the dark ages, he has caused divisions where there were none and he has Labour MP's at each others throats, I suppose that one good thing may come of this, the closet marxists will now HAVE to come forth to succeed, if one can call that a success.
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I think not Corbyn is no intellectual, he has limited intellect and just blathers on with his populist lefty empty slogans . . .



:nono:

If you really think that you haven't once watched him at the despatch box. Methinks you know better but feel a false line is needed as you think your case is weak

One of the best parliamentary moments of the year was that instant incisive and game changing "the prime minister is doing his best, I appreciate that" Cameron has never really recovered from that.


The phrase 'flogging a dead horse' comes to mind. :P
Have to say that Osborne's "oh look it's his personal signed copy" with the follow up "half the Shadow Cabinet have been sent away for re-education" trumps Corbyn's taunt

Never thought he had such instant wit in him
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At the dispatch box he reads pre prepared statements. Who prepares them is uncertain. He rarely stands alone and debates freely. He has been in parliament long enough to be comfortable in front of the House.
You really are a robotic puppet of the press! ;D

And you've clearly never seen the bloke in action to make such a sweeping judgement, his put down of the giggling arseholes on the Tory benches when these morons found the plight of a certain struggling poor person funny was priceless!
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At the dispatch box he reads pre prepared statements. Who prepares them is uncertain. He rarely stands alone and debates freely. He has been in parliament long enough to be comfortable in front of the House.
You really are a robotic puppet of the press! ;D

And you've clearly never seen the bloke in action to make such a sweeping judgement, his put down of the giggling arseholes on the Tory benches when these morons found the plight of a certain struggling poor person funny was priceless!
I despair at your defence of the indefensible.
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That was then, this is now.
I can't help but see the similarities, Foot had more honesty and decency in his little finger than Thatcher had in the whole of her body.

Yes the situation is different, but Thatcher, helped by the media, revealed a high level of callousness, greed and naivety in the British that truly shocked me.

Following WWII there did appear to be a sense of a one country mentality, I think Thatcher just about wiped that out.
But strangely enough there is now significantly less social and industrial strife than 1945-1979. Why is that? Crime is reducing. People no longer think they are working class, in fact we have become more classless. As John said "we are all middle class now". Sorry C2 I see your claims as antediluvian bunkum not supported by evidence.

As for your claim that Foot was more caring than Thatcher, then I would suggest your claim would have more resonance if you introduced the word "perceived", you see Thatcher had to make choices and poor Michael only had to make speeches.

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