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Jeremy Corbyn 'Systematically' Attacked By British Press The Moment He Became Leader, Research Claim
Topic Started: Nov 26 2015, 09:41 PM (1,563 Views)
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/26/jeremy-corbyn-media-coverage_n_8653886.html

We do not have a free press, we have a press where one is free to say what one wishes within the limitations set by an establishment which on the one hand does not want to appear to be silencing all dissent because that would make their power obvious, but on the other hand will not allow popular upstarts like Corbyn to become a genuine threat to them.

This establishment prefers the manufactured opposition they act out their 'disagreements' with for the public's benefit.
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Corbyn on Andrew Marr this morning was plain awful. Notoriously left wing Marr gave him a very easy ride but he still could not look good. Smarmy, vacillating and ultimately not showing an ounce of leadership material.
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Corbyn on Andrew Marr this morning was plain awful.
You must have watched a different interview to me.
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Nov 29 2015, 11:00 AM
Corbyn on Andrew Marr this morning was plain awful.
You must have watched a different interview to me.
Tell me one leader like statement he made
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I didn't see it ....... but I do sense prejudice in those that did.

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Nov 29 2015, 11:32 AM
Tell me one leader like statement he made
What an odd question. I can't think of any current politician of any political party who is prime minister material.
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Nov 29 2015, 11:42 AM
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Nov 29 2015, 11:32 AM
Tell me one leader like statement he made
What an odd question. I can't think of any current politician of any political party who is prime minister material.
Sturgeon, Cameron, Farage even Peter Robinson all make definitive statements.

Corbyn just made damn sure he didn't say a thing he could be held accountable for. I've seen more spine in a jellyfish. And that 'ain't I so clever, Andrew' style is just irritating, intensely so at times.
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Corbyn just made damn sure he didn't say a thing he could be held accountable for.
I suggest you take your biased blinkers off. He made a far more in depth analysis of the Syrian situation than Cameron did in Parliament.
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Corbyn just made damn sure he didn't say a thing he could be held accountable for.

Hilarious!
If Cameron were held to account for the (statesman like) comments he makes he would no longer be PM.
We do not have that check on our Government ....... and the PM can get away with saying virtually anything.

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Corbyn just made damn sure he didn't say a thing he could be held accountable for.
I suggest you take your biased blinkers off. He made a far more in depth analysis of the Syrian situation than Cameron did in Parliament.
Well lets compare

Cameron in Parliament Link
- David Cameron says launching UK air strikes against Islamic State militants in Syria will "make us safer".
- The prime minister denied claims it would make the UK a bigger target for terror attacks, as he made the case for military action, in the Commons.
- He told MPs the UK was already a target for IS and could not "outsource our security to allies".
- He told MPs there was strong legal justification for extending the current military action in Iraq, on grounds of self-defence and the recent UN Security Council resolution.



Corbyn on Marr this morning Link

- He said: "I feel there are some people who haven't quite got used to the idea that the party is in a different place. It's much bigger than it's been in all of my lifetime.
"We have a very open electoral system. The result was a very, very clear mandate for me to be leader of the party.
"I'm not going anywhere. I'm enjoying every moment of it."
- Seeking to clarify his position, he said: "Shooting to kill on the streets of Britain, purely based on suspicion, is illegal and dangerous.
"Involving a direct intervention by security forces, as happened in Paris, to stop someone setting off a bomb or shooting a gun directly at somebody is a reasonable form of response."


Shall we have a spot which is leader, which is lettuce competition?
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Nov 28 2015, 07:37 PM
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I can't help but see the similarities, Foot had more honesty and decency in his little finger than Thatcher had in the whole of her body.

Yes the situation is different, but Thatcher, helped by the media, revealed a high level of callousness, greed and naivety in the British that truly shocked me.

Following WWII there did appear to be a sense of a one country mentality, I think Thatcher just about wiped that out.


Good post Sir !clp!
Thank you. :)
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Nov 28 2015, 07:10 PM
"I am no fan or Corbyn but I fear he could get support from being the underdog. Brits love to back the underdog. Next few days will see what support he has."

Faultless post.
Underdogs are underdogs because they are just that, weak and submissive, and the bottom of the biting order. The3y are often fear biters in the dog world. There is a charity for them if you want to subscribe, and just as idealistic as the current labour party.

http://www.loveunderdogs.org

Its as pity that so many in the real world want to be top dogs and are hell bent on doing so by any means.

Submit to us or you die is their idealistic way.
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Corbyn just made damn sure he didn't say a thing he could be held accountable for.
I suggest you take your biased blinkers off. He made a far more in depth analysis of the Syrian situation than Cameron did in Parliament.
Well lets compare

Cameron in Parliament Link
- David Cameron says launching UK air strikes against Islamic State militants in Syria will "make us safer".
- The prime minister denied claims it would make the UK a bigger target for terror attacks, as he made the case for military action, in the Commons.
- He told MPs the UK was already a target for IS and could not "outsource our security to allies".
- He told MPs there was strong legal justification for extending the current military action in Iraq, on grounds of self-defence and the recent UN Security Council resolution.


Shall we have a spot which is leader, which is lettuce competition?


Lettuce vs a rotten stinking cabbage covered in mould ie no competition.

Only #3 is true, just a shame Cam has no idea how to actually keep us safe. Whilst vague, Corbyn didn't make any disingenuous assertions.

Re Owl:

Perhaps you aren't aware of what the term 'underdog' can actually mean.
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Well lets compare

That isn't a comparison that is cherry picking. Cameron spectacularly failed to make a case for bombing Syria and more specifically, Raqqa.
Who briefing him about a 70000 strong army opposing IS needs the sack. That is a figment of someone's imagination.
Just what the targets are in Raqqa that don't have civilians in them in greater numbers than IS needs a very detailed explanation.
Just what difference a few Brimstone missiles are going to make needs explanation as well. (To do anything precise and minimise collateral damage needs people on the ground doing target indication.

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I can't help but see the similarities, Foot had more honesty and decency in his little finger than Thatcher had in the whole of her body.

Yes the situation is different, but Thatcher, helped by the media, revealed a high level of callousness, greed and naivety in the British that truly shocked me.

Following WWII there did appear to be a sense of a one country mentality, I think Thatcher just about wiped that out.
But strangely enough there is now significantly less social and industrial strife than 1945-1979. Why is that? Crime is reducing. People no longer think they are working class, in fact we have become more classless. As John said "we are all middle class now". Sorry C2 I see your claims as antediluvian bunkum not supported by evidence.

As for your claim that Foot was more caring than Thatcher, then I would suggest your claim would have more resonance if you introduced the word "perceived", you see Thatcher had to make choices and poor Michael only had to make speeches.

I think that starting from 1945 is probably misleading and not thought out.
We probably have less social and industrial strife because;
Unlike Pre- 1979, We have not just come through 20 odd years with a failing economy with a gloomy outlook for the future, while countries like France and Germany were doing well.
Today people do understand that there was a financial meltdown and the economy does need to be sorted. Also we have a very different industrial base to the period you refer to.
Fewer police and yet crime is supposed to be falling ? Maybe. True or not let's see the situation when the future real cuts in social support begin to bite.
A classless society ? Are you kidding me ? The bedroom tax, the cuts in working tax credits, the proposed cuts in child benefits and goodness knows what else is in the pipeline. Yet there is still talk by the chancellor of cuts in income tax and lifting death duties to begin at £1million, and again what other helping hand to the rich and better off does he have up his sleeve ?
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Well lets compare

That isn't a comparison that is cherry picking. Cameron spectacularly failed to make a case for bombing Syria and more specifically, Raqqa.

:nono: I picked all the quotes out of the two articles from the same source. Perhaps you could find something Corbyn said that I missed. Otherwise he is lettuce with low fat dressing

As for your comment about Raqqa you really don't understand do you, without this vote we cannot even bomb someone with a machine gun about to execute civilians for not being of the right religion. We have to sit and watch

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As for your comment about Raqqa you really don't understand do you, without this vote we cannot even bomb someone with a machine gun about to execute civilians for not being of the right religion. We have to sit and watch


Like China you mean, like Japan.

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i'm reminded of how the establishment neutered Julian Assange ...... If Corbyn survives the muck raking, they'll make the mud up and make it stick.

I don't know what is wrong with the man..no-one believes his bullshit..He had a chance..and now is saying all the wrong words..

Fat lady Abbot won't win him any points..
She would have been better of if she had become a "madam" at least then she could have tutored her employees based on experience.
I actually suspect she is still dragging Corbyn around by his cojones!!
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As for your comment about Raqqa you really don't understand do you,
I do understand about Raqqa, it is Cameron who appears to be ill informed about it.
Plus just what the **** is the RAF going to bomb in Raqqa.
I don't want generalisations, I want specifics.
Just how is bombing Raqqa going to stop a Paris happening somewhere in Britain?
My local Police force Devon and Cornwall has stated they are going to put armed officers near to public events. Just what effing use is that going to be in that of a Paris type of attack?
Do the local plod have the firearms needed to blow a suicide bomber brains out (literally,) at a range of 33 metres plus, or the training? (I doubt it.)
(33 metres in the closest "safety" distance from a suicide vest.)
A headshot shot is the only option due to the TATP explosive that was used in Paris being extremely volatile and easily set off by a blow, heat, or friction.
Basically if you end up in the middle of a Paris situation in Britain there is eff all that is going to defend you, unless you happen to have a 7.62mm rifle or larger calibre with you.
If you looked closely at the pictures from Belgium and Paris, in both cases the army on the streets had old type 7.62 military rifles, not current issues ones.
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Necessity can make for strange bedfellows. Corbyn and Sturgeon have a very convergent policy mindset
As a sad bastard who watches select committee meetings and debates in Parliament, the SNP seems to have a lot of competent and on the ball MPs.
They are certainly a far more effective opposition to the Tories than Labour are.
They will balace scotland's busget while helping the poorest.

Best party in the UK IMO, just a shame about the anti-English nationalism..
SNP are a joke,the proof I'd they have now lost two MPs since the election
But more importantly wee Alec couldn't even be bothered to turn up at the house to debate Syria,as he had to see a portrait of himself :facepalm:
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They will balace scotland's busget while helping the poorest.

Best party in the UK IMO, just a shame about the anti-English nationalism..
SNP are a joke,the proof I'd they have now lost two MPs since the election
But more importantly wee Alec couldn't even be bothered to turn up at the house to debate Syria,as he had to see a portrait of himself :facepalm:
Well their budgetary policies are surprisingly excellent. Yes wee eck and Mrs Sturgeon grate at times, the extreme nationalism and bigotry from many of the supporters grate (it's not one sided though is it?), they've got a lot of stuff wrong with them but are they seem better than the Scots Tories or Lab. I still wouldn't vote for them, I really cannot stand bigots of any kind.
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C2: We probably have less social and industrial strife because;
a). Unlike Pre- 1979, We have not just come through 20 odd years with a failing economy with a gloomy outlook for the future, while countries like France and Germany were doing well.

Compounded by highly politicised trade union actions designed to frustrate Gov. and Employers. Guess whose reforms put paid to that nonesense.

b). Today people do understand that there was a financial meltdown and the economy does need to be sorted.

Yes they understand who exacerbated a very difficult situation and then went on to oppose each and every cut in public spending. They voted accordingly.

c). Also we have a very different industrial base to the period you refer to.

Tempus Fugit.

d). Fewer police and yet crime is supposed to be falling ? Maybe. True or not let's see the situation when the future real cuts in social support begin to bite.

Well thus far each and every forecast that the end was nigh have proved to be far off the mark.

e). A classless society ? Are you kidding me ? The bedroom tax, the cuts in working tax credits, the proposed cuts in child benefits and goodness knows what else is in the pipeline. Yet there is still talk by the chancellor of cuts in income tax and lifting death duties to begin at £1million, and again what other helping hand to the rich and better off does he have up his sleeve ?


Class is to do with the social group individuals believe represents them. Osborne calls all those that are employed as "The Striver Group". You are free to define your own groups as you will. But I believe the post war groupings now hardly exist, they broke down fully when the post war baby-boomers became the vast majority of managers of our industrial and commercial economy and that was decades ago. Me thinks C2 you still want to fight old battles, the ones that you saw lost on ancient turfs.

Like it or not the great division is now being fashioned in front of our eyes of on one side the "strivers" and the other the "skivers" and this is crudely said for obvious reasons. Labour lost it's working class tribalists and their votes are up for grabs with both UKIP and the Tories out for a good slice. The claim of the demise of Labour may be premature, but the coffin is in construction.
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Tell me one leader like statement he made
What an odd question. I can't think of any current politician of any political party who is prime minister material.
Sturgeon, Cameron, Farage even Peter Robinson all make definitive statements.

Corbyn just made damn sure he didn't say a thing he could be held accountable for. I've seen more spine in a jellyfish. And that 'ain't I so clever, Andrew' style is just irritating, intensely so at times.
I think you must be the only one to watch the Marr show.
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She would have been better of if she had become a "madam" at least then she could have tutored her employees based on experience.
I actually suspect she is still dragging Corbyn around by his cojones!!
Mary, that is an impossibility and I do not think I have to tell you why. ;-)
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Well lets compare

Cameron in Parliament Link
- David Cameron says launching UK air strikes against Islamic State militants in Syria will "make us safer".
- The prime minister denied claims it would make the UK a bigger target for terror attacks, as he made the case for military action, in the Commons.
- He told MPs the UK was already a target for IS and could not "outsource our security to allies".
- He told MPs there was strong legal justification for extending the current military action in Iraq, on grounds of self-defence and the recent UN Security Council resolution.


Shall we have a spot which is leader, which is lettuce competition?


Lettuce vs a rotten stinking cabbage covered in mould ie no competition.

Only #3 is true, just a shame Cam has no idea how to actually keep us safe. Whilst vague, Corbyn didn't make any disingenuous assertions.

Re Owl:

Perhaps you aren't aware of what the term 'underdog' can actually mean.
Dictionary definition

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1.a competitor thought to have little chance of winning a fight or contest.


synonyms: long shot · dark horse · weaker one · little guy · David ·
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•a person who has little status in society.

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'little chance of winning' does not mean completely lame and useless, being the point.

Major was somewhat of an underdog to use an example you might relate to. !wav!
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'little chance of winning' does not mean completely lame and useless, being the point.

Major was somewhat of an underdog to use an example you might relate to. !wav!
David and Goliath comes to mind, but lets face it, his own party in cabinet are not behind him, he is literally a joke but I will give the man credence for not standing down on what he believes in.
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Major and the 'backstabbing bastards' much..

Funny when a supposed Stalinist actually believes in democracy. Yep funny old world. Maybe the public are just so fickle and brainwashed that they believe any old shite fed to them. Oh yes and there is proof that this is the case via polls.
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Corbyn on Andrew Marr this morning was plain awful.
You must have watched a different interview to me.
Tell me one leader like statement he made
Leader like statements? :'(

The country has got itself in a mess because PM's have routinely ignored public opinion on a whole range of subjects, and "leader like" PM's, I'm especially thinking of two in particular here, have trashed the economy, led us into dubious wars and chucked vast subsidies in the direction of private interests.

I don't want another presidential clone I want something different.........
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Tell me one leader like statement he made
Leader like statements? :'(

The country has got itself in a mess because PM's have routinely ignored public opinion on a whole range of subjects, and "leader like" PM's, I'm especially thinking of two in particular here, have trashed the economy, led us into dubious wars and chucked vast subsidies in the direction of private interests.

I don't want another presidential clone I want something different.........
Corbyn is not something different though.

Corbyn is 1970's Labour.

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Corbyn is not something different though.

Corbyn is 1970's Labour.

Really?

I've mentioned this a few times on here, usually to stony silence, but nonetheless it is entirely factual.

There is barely a single policy Corbyn is proposing that would give the leader of Europe's most successful economy a sleepless night.

We have stagnated because we repeat the errors again and again...........
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Tell me one leader like statement he made
Leader like statements? :'(

The country has got itself in a mess because PM's have routinely ignored public opinion on a whole range of subjects, and "leader like" PM's, I'm especially thinking of two in particular here, have trashed the economy, led us into dubious wars and chucked vast subsidies in the direction of private interests.

I don't want another presidential clone I want something different.........
Public opinion seems to be a lot further right than the current leadership of the Labour Party. Listening to his own party membership does not mean he is in tune with the majority of all the potential voters. Corbyn may well have the support of his signed up membership, but they seem as far to the left as he is , but he and his party HAS to appeal to the voters across the whole spectrum of society.
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Leader like statements? :'(

The country has got itself in a mess because PM's have routinely ignored public opinion on a whole range of subjects, and "leader like" PM's, I'm especially thinking of two in particular here, have trashed the economy, led us into dubious wars and chucked vast subsidies in the direction of private interests.

I don't want another presidential clone I want something different.........
Public opinion seems to be a lot further right than the current leadership of the Labour Party. Listening to his own party membership does not mean he is in tune with the majority of all the potential voters. Corbyn may well have the support of his signed up membership, but they seem as far to the left as he is , but he and his party HAS to appeal to the voters across the whole spectrum of society.
Of course he has to appeal to the wider electorate, and as we know from past experience it only takes a few choice eff ups to sway public opinion. It's clear to me much of the right wing media is terrified of Corbyn because he is not part of their narrow World, it's equally clear that any lie, underhand trick or scare story is run without a seconds thought. Some don't question any of this.

Three things that could well see the current government fall apart.

Economic problems after a Brexit + Tory civil war. (a given in my book)
An unpopular conflict that goes badly leading to national humiliation.
A Tory corruption scandal, again almost an inevitability.

Suddenly a leader offering hope to ordinary folks, as opposed to the nations vested interests, starts to look electable, and keep in mind that most had the Tories dead and buried prior to the crash, stranger things have happened. The Tories are not popular with the bulk of the electorate they were just considered the least worst option.
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Public opinion seems to be a lot further right than the current leadership of the Labour Party. Listening to his own party membership does not mean he is in tune with the majority of all the potential voters. Corbyn may well have the support of his signed up membership, but they seem as far to the left as he is , but he and his party HAS to appeal to the voters across the whole spectrum of society.
Of course he has to appeal to the wider electorate, and as we know from past experience it only takes a few choice eff ups to sway public opinion. It's clear to me much of the right wing media is terrified of Corbyn because he is not part of their narrow World, it's equally clear that any lie, underhand trick or scare story is run without a seconds thought. Some don't question any of this.

Three things that could well see the current government fall apart.

Economic problems after a Brexit + Tory civil war. (a given in my book)
An unpopular conflict that goes badly leading to national humiliation.
A Tory corruption scandal, again almost an inevitability.

Suddenly a leader offering hope to ordinary folks, as opposed to the nations vested interests, starts to look electable, and keep in mind that most had the Tories dead and buried prior to the crash, stranger things have happened. The Tories are not popular with the bulk of the electorate they were just considered the least worst option.
If the Tories were the least worst option then what does that say about the rest? don't tell me...oh yes, the supposed opposition is there for all to see, in disarray, at each others throats and each and everyone of them jockeying for position....just another day in Parliament really.
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The problem with Corbyn et al is that they condemn the UK if it seeks to kill terrorists who wish to do us harm, IRA, ISIL etc, but excuse those that have done us harm. This is perverse and a one side form of pacifism. Surely a true pacifist would condemn all such acts of violence and the perpetrators of such? It is this dichotomy that make many believe that Corbyn is no pacifist, just a UK hater.
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Corbyn is an intelligent man.

He wants to destroy Daesh's funding sources and cut them off in other ways. Twathead Cam meanwhile, is prevaricating with no clear vision on what post-war Syria/nearby regions will look like.
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Tytoalba
Nov 29 2015, 10:47 PM

Public opinion seems to be a lot further right than the current leadership of the Labour Party. .

Regrettably, public opinion is a commodity that is formed through the media and of course ideologically motivated political spin. I consider much of your own contributions to this forum as having been created in this fashion despite convincing arguments that contract those views.

One poster here remarked that acquaintances of his that are Tory supporters do still blame Labour for their being on benefit dependency/unemployed. And no doubt will still be doing so in another five, or ten, years.






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Nov 30 2015, 12:44 PM
Regrettably, public opinion is a commodity that is formed through the media and of course ideologically motivated political spin.





Until we have a genuinely free press and media, that will not change.
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Nov 30 2015, 12:16 AM

If the Tories were the least worst option then what does that say about the rest?

Why do you say 'if' when you are already convinced?

imo the Conservatives are the very worst option on everything we require a government to do - and I do of course include the economy.

The difference between us, the way we reach these conclusions, is in what influences us and why.


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Nov 29 2015, 10:22 PM
AndyK
Nov 29 2015, 10:04 PM
Corbyn is not something different though.

Corbyn is 1970's Labour.

Really?

I've mentioned this a few times on here, usually to stony silence, but nonetheless it is entirely factual.

There is barely a single policy Corbyn is proposing that would give the leader of Europe's most successful economy a sleepless night. . . .
probably just one but you have to admit it's a biggy, so effin big words fail me

Corbyn's plan is to fund unprecedented levels of social expenditure by printing money over and over again in increasing amounts. Your average German would die of shame if it was suggested there.
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