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| Topic Started: Nov 27 2015, 07:13 AM (158 Views) | |
| skwirked | Nov 27 2015, 07:13 AM Post #1 |
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The Tories get good PR with Giddy the crappy botching 'wet' builder and yet, get away with implementing this damned travesty of a budget. McDonnell makes another easily ignored fail-attack on the Tories while Corbyn gets walked over by his own. Terrible days. Edited by skwirked, Nov 27 2015, 07:16 AM.
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| Lewis | Nov 27 2015, 08:03 AM Post #2 |
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Yes all smoke and mirrors. People won't be fooled once these measures hit them in the pockets. |
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| papasmurf | Nov 27 2015, 08:08 AM Post #3 |
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If Osborne thinks Universal Credit will be fully rolled out by 2020 he must be mad. Most of the current claimants of Working Tax Credit will have reached retirement age before that happens. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/467232/universal-credit-statistics-to-17-sept-2015.pdf |
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| disgruntled porker | Nov 27 2015, 08:12 AM Post #4 |
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Older than most people think I am.
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I bet they will. |
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| RJD | Nov 27 2015, 08:30 AM Post #5 |
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Prudence and Thrift
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Well as the vast majority, those in jobs, voted for such reforms at the last GE and understand that removing the deficit will require some inconvenience to many, I am not sure they will have a basis to complain. Where is the alternative strategy from the Usuals? Is there one? |
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| Lewis | Nov 27 2015, 10:57 AM Post #6 |
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Well they were lied to. We had Stammers bleating that the incompetents had no plans to cut tax credits. Thus proving beyond any shadow of doubt that this government is full of liars and are not to be trusted or believed. |
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| skwirked | Nov 27 2015, 11:03 AM Post #7 |
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Yeah spot on really, they did actually grossly mislead those in jobs ....and there is no proof that those with jobs voted for the Tories. It is a myth unless someone can prove otherwise. Anecdotally I can say I have met many resentful unemployed Tories who blame Lab for the deficit making them so. |
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| Steve K | Nov 27 2015, 02:05 PM Post #8 |
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Once and future cynic
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Duplicate topic? http://w11.zetaboards.com/UK_Debate_Mk_2/topic/11428685/ |
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| Alberich | Nov 27 2015, 05:29 PM Post #9 |
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The government is committed to reducing the vast welfare bill, and was elected on that premise. Cutting welfare has to effect those ON welfare, and while that may seem hard, it can encourage the unemployed to seek work and become self supporting, and those who are quite happy to remain on welfare to reconsider their options. We spend far too much on welfare, and tax credits are the most illogical scheme ever devised. The only criticism I have of the autumn statement is that he chickened out of starting to reform it. But as the OBR forecast is at best optimistic, he might yet be forced into reconsidering this apparent generosity. We shall see! |
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| skwirked | Nov 27 2015, 05:30 PM Post #10 |
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And you answer to overly low pay is..? Scrap the min wage? |
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| RJD | Nov 27 2015, 05:40 PM Post #11 |
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Prudence and Thrift
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I doubt after turning 180 degrees he would do so again. He got himself smacked and turned what was potentially, for him, a nail in the coffin of his career, to an advantage. His career comes first and for him it was expedient to trade delays in reducing the deficit for potential future votes. George is the builder he has told us so often enough. Pity he neglects repairing and underpinning the foundations. I am surprised that the Usuals have not come out and praised their new man George. |
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| disgruntled porker | Nov 27 2015, 06:38 PM Post #12 |
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Older than most people think I am.
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They were elected on a lot of premises that they reneged on. |
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| Alberich | Nov 28 2015, 01:23 PM Post #13 |
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Actually, no. Osborne has indicated the way to deal with low pay by setting the "living wage" at a much higher level than many expected. He should do more, and set it higher still. That way, work starts to make sense; even for those wedded to welfare. |
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| skwirked | Nov 28 2015, 02:00 PM Post #14 |
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'those wedded to welfare' Define this please. Those on tax credits? Those on JSA/UC, for how long? Also evidence says setting the min wage too high too quickly will damage employment figures. It would be preferable if we had functioning Wage and Works Councils + a good living wage and a focus on creating more high VA jobs. Also better to use directly targeted measures to help the poor; income tax cuts are a scam that benefit the better-off. Remember: those on tax creds earnings are mostly below the PA threshold and will not benefit from further tax cuts. Edited by skwirked, Nov 28 2015, 02:01 PM.
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| RJD | Nov 28 2015, 03:30 PM Post #15 |
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Prudence and Thrift
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The question is how high dare it be set without destroying an unacceptable number of jobs. At the rates decided by Osborne for the future there are already a lot, particularly in the retail sector who are grumbling. I would like to see the increases in wage rates accompanied by a reduction in basic tax rates and the reduction or removal of the taxes on jobs. But we have to get rid of the deficit first, unless of course you are happy to increase borrowings. |
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