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More trouble for John McDonnell; called for knee capping and IRA victory by the bullet
Topic Started: Nov 27 2015, 05:24 PM (108 Views)
Steve K
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In several papers today

Calamity John


http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4625106.ece
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12020115/John-McDonnell-joked-about-shooting-Labour-councillors-opposed-to-IRA-in-the-kneecaps.html

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"John McDonnell called for the “ballot, the bullet and the bomb” to unite Ireland at the height of the IRA’s terrorism campaign against Britain, The Times can reveal. The shadow chancellor also suggested, with black humour, that Labour councillors who refused to meet the IRA’s political wing should have their knee-caps shot off."

No statute of limitations to apply, no Good Friday exemption either. Bung the shabby terrorist supporter in jail for incitement to murder
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Steve K
Nov 27 2015, 05:24 PM
In several papers today

In several right wing newspapers.
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Oh well, the Tories who love the Unionist Terrorist Scum get a free pass and that's OK.

I could get perma-banned if I were to really say what I think about this, but you'd probably like that so I won't give you/others the satisfaction.
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Nov 27 2015, 05:25 PM
Steve K
Nov 27 2015, 05:24 PM
In several papers today

In several right wing newspapers.
The Times right wing? :nono:

And do you really think they'd have gone with it if they hadn't got a copy of the relevant Deptford & Peckham Mercury?

The man's an unreformed arse.
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Steve K
Nov 27 2015, 05:24 PM
In several papers today

Calamity John


http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4625106.ece
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12020115/John-McDonnell-joked-about-shooting-Labour-councillors-opposed-to-IRA-in-the-kneecaps.html

etc

"John McDonnell called for the “ballot, the bullet and the bomb” to unite Ireland at the height of the IRA’s terrorism campaign against Britain, The Times can reveal. The shadow chancellor also suggested, with black humour, that Labour councillors who refused to meet the IRA’s political wing should have their knee-caps shot off."

No statute of limitations to apply, no Good Friday exemption either. Bung the shabby terrorist supporter in jail for incitement to murder
Well much water has run under the bridge since then and in the intervening time the man could have recanted, but is there any evidence that he has? I see none. The Labour Party needs to either reject and eject or sanitise this man. But he is not alone they are surrounded by those that show little or know allegiance to the UK as it stands today or has ever stood for the past, a sort of reverse xenophobia. They demonstrate an aversion for America and the west in general. I also believe that they do not share the west's general attitude towards a liberal democracy or a free press. Best keep a close eye on this bunch, but I guess that is why they would like to see MI5 disbanded.



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He's had every opportunity to apologise but instead has hoped his shabby past would stay hidden. They'll be more terrorist statements he's made and he'll probably be lucky that most will have no evidence

I have no doubt that he truly is sorry . . . .


. . . . that he's been found out again


Takes something when Styriza at their worst look good in comparison with Her Majesty's official opposition
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Meanwhile Mr Cameron seems to be doing well in his Syrian terrorist recruitment campaign.
Its all subjective.
Maybe ,just maybe, the IRA had a real case against British oppression and factored in that innocents must die to achieve their aim and maybe our government have a real against ISIS and are prepared to kill as many innocents in Raqqa as it takes.


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/27/bomb-isis-west-learned-nothign-from-war-terror-defeat-muslim-world-equal-partner

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gansao
Nov 27 2015, 07:29 PM
Meanwhile Mr Cameron seems to be doing well in his Syrian terrorist recruitment campaign.
Its all subjective.
Maybe ,just maybe, the IRA had a real case against British oppression and factored in that innocents must die to achieve their aim and maybe our government have a real against ISIS and are prepared to kill as many innocents in Raqqa as it takes.


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/27/bomb-isis-west-learned-nothign-from-war-terror-defeat-muslim-world-equal-partner

A masterclass in making a succinct point.

AFAIC there is no comeback to your post but I'd like to see others try..
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skwirked
Nov 27 2015, 07:32 PM
gansao
Nov 27 2015, 07:29 PM
Meanwhile Mr Cameron seems to be doing well in his Syrian terrorist recruitment campaign.
Its all subjective.
Maybe ,just maybe, the IRA had a real case against British oppression and factored in that innocents must die to achieve their aim and maybe our government have a real against ISIS and are prepared to kill as many innocents in Raqqa as it takes.


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/27/bomb-isis-west-learned-nothign-from-war-terror-defeat-muslim-world-equal-partner

A masterclass in making a succinct point.

AFAIC there is no comeback to your post but I'd like to see others try..
Well try this

Those that advocate murder are evil and frankly those that defend them are a bit sus
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Great, so those who defend Cameron are too then.

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Nov 27 2015, 08:30 PM
Great, so those who defend Cameron are too then.

Has Cameron ever hidden behind civilian clothing to wage illegal war, ever knee capped his opponents, ever bombed civilians in pubs specifically to kill and maim civilians?

No, so get real with your obscurations masking as comparisons

McDonnell praised achieving political aims by illegal combatants using the bomb and bullet and at best thought funny the idea of kneecapping those who shunned such criminals. Utterly deplorable and illegal

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Nov 27 2015, 08:44 PM
skwirked
Nov 27 2015, 08:30 PM
Great, so those who defend Cameron are too then.

Has Cameron ever hidden behind civilian clothing to wage illegal war, ever knee capped his opponents, ever bombed civilians in pubs specifically to kill and maim civilians?

No, so get real with your obscurations masking as comparisons

McDonnell praised achieving political aims by illegal combatants using the bomb and bullet and at best thought funny the idea of kneecapping those who shunned such criminals. Utterly deplorable and illegal



Illegal war? !clp!

SAS (plain clothes or not) ambushing and assassinating Provos and Drones destroying people deemed enemies are only legal because there is an establishment to make them legal.
Using this 'logic' would deem the French resistance as bushwacking terrorists.
As I said , it's all subjective.
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Nov 27 2015, 09:14 PM
Illegal war? !clp!

SAS (plain clothes or not) ambushing and assassinating Provos and Drones destroying people deemed enemies are only legal because there is an establishment to make them legal.
Using this 'logic' would deem the French resistance as bushwacking terrorists.
As I said , it's all subjective.
Don't ask or expect me to defend Heath and Thatcher's illegal tactics in NI but I suspect Cameron was still at school then

I have very few concerns over OUR use of drones

The French Resistance was a Saboteur organidation BTW . BIG difference

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Steve K
Nov 27 2015, 08:44 PM
skwirked
Nov 27 2015, 08:30 PM
Great, so those who defend Cameron are too then.

Has Cameron ever hidden behind civilian clothing to wage illegal war, ever knee capped his opponents, ever bombed civilians in pubs specifically to kill and maim civilians?

No, so get real with your obscurations masking as comparisons

McDonnell praised achieving political aims by illegal combatants using the bomb and bullet and at best thought funny the idea of kneecapping those who shunned such criminals. Utterly deplorable and illegal

Oh yes the public school-educated twot sat at the helm, is in no way culpable for far worse things than the few words that McDonut uttered.


Cam defended apartheid, defends the Saudis, defends the Unionist Scum terrorist cyants and loads more besides, not only that; being at the helm he helped facilitate the destruction of Libya and much, much more.


Edited by skwirked, Nov 28 2015, 11:01 AM.
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Nov 27 2015, 05:31 PM
The Times right wing?
If you don't realise The Times is right wing, they have managed to fool you.
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Nov 28 2015, 09:21 AM
Steve K
Nov 27 2015, 05:31 PM
The Times right wing?
If you don't realise The Times is right wing, they have managed to fool you.
Well clearly it's to the right of your preferred reading but it's way to the left of the Mail, Telegraph and Express and it does have that independent editorial board so no it's NOT right wing

So what exactly is it that you're suggesting anyway? That McDonnell never said it or that we should forget what's been said?
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Nov 28 2015, 10:36 AM
Well clearly it's to the right of your preferred reading
I don't have any preferred reading, news coupled with paper is an oxymoron.
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Nov 27 2015, 08:07 PM
skwirked
Nov 27 2015, 07:32 PM
gansao
Nov 27 2015, 07:29 PM
Meanwhile Mr Cameron seems to be doing well in his Syrian terrorist recruitment campaign.
Its all subjective.
Maybe ,just maybe, the IRA had a real case against British oppression and factored in that innocents must die to achieve their aim and maybe our government have a real against ISIS and are prepared to kill as many innocents in Raqqa as it takes.


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/27/bomb-isis-west-learned-nothign-from-war-terror-defeat-muslim-world-equal-partner

A masterclass in making a succinct point.

AFAIC there is no comeback to your post but I'd like to see others try..
Well try this

Those that advocate murder are evil and frankly those that defend them are a bit sus
I must admit to being appalled by the easy way individuals excuse murder for political reasons. Seeking to excuse those that not only condone but incite such is despicable and very uncivilised. The inference always being that these people are "genuine freedom fighters with genuine grievances against an oppressive State, they were not and are not. Just evil thugs with ambitions to get power through the barrel of a gun. How Maoist.

I never cease to be amazed at the way parts of the media, the BBC, Grauniad and the rest of those apologists, seek to sanitise current Muslim events. Watch the BBC news and it avoids words such as "Terrorists", "Muslims", "jihadi" etc. with views such as "it is due to French racism" or could it be a "Drug Gang war" allowed currency. There seems to be no limit to which this bunch will go to find excuses for evil doing all under the banner of a Political Correctness invented by them. I have even heard people say that the EU needs to let more Muslims in as denying them entry will exacerbate the already deep seated anti west feelings. Seems to me that many on the lhs making such claims have lost touch with reality. These people are evil and want to do evil things the cry of Allah Akbar and waving of an ISIL black flag are just a convenient cover.
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