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| Topic Started: Nov 27 2015, 09:18 PM (1,431 Views) | |
| Opinionater | Nov 27 2015, 09:18 PM Post #1 |
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A safe Labour seat or is it, all eyes on UKIP? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34946969 Could they pull it off, if it rains would that help UKIP. Edited by Opinionater, Nov 28 2015, 08:06 PM.
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| marybrown | Dec 4 2015, 04:07 PM Post #41 |
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Actually I agree with your post..It was our ''poor'' choices.. I wish I could get a doctors degree by sending off 12 packet tops from Kelloggs... Edited by marybrown, Dec 4 2015, 04:08 PM.
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| Deleted User | Dec 4 2015, 04:13 PM Post #42 |
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Thats because you somehow feel the need to misrepresent his point or you are unable to understand it. What he wants is for the UK not to exacerbate the problem by inflicting innocent casualties and to strive for a diplomatic and political end. A diplomatic and political end does not preclude the use of force. Glad to help. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 4 2015, 04:16 PM Post #43 |
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Please provide evidence that one can get a doctors degree by sending 12 packet tops from kelloggs or admit that you have posted an outright lie in an attempt to promote a racist ( and false) assertion. |
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| marybrown | Dec 4 2015, 04:26 PM Post #44 |
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I cannot..I must admit..however I have attended doctors who can hardly speak English..and have been diagnosed with ''a thinning of the skin''.. Given completely wrong medicine that nearly gave me a heart attack..and have been to Health centres..entirely run by immigrant doctors..and have been diverted to the Pharmacy next door..which is also run by immigrants..who gave me the wrong medicine twice.. Not fucking rocket science is it?? |
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| Deleted User | Dec 4 2015, 05:20 PM Post #45 |
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Hmmm cant decide if you are trying to divert the thread to make unsubstantiated racist remarks or just good old fashioned trolling. Better let you get on with it. |
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| Rich | Dec 4 2015, 05:20 PM Post #46 |
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One has to blame the authorities for not carrying out proper background checks. http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/feb/04/doctor-daniel-ubani-unlawfully-killed-patient |
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| Deleted User | Dec 4 2015, 05:27 PM Post #47 |
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As we all seem to want to divert the thread I will point out that my wife told me that her elderly mother seems to talk in cycles. The same topics pop up regularly no matter what the initial subject is. Maybe that can explain why just about every topic eventually becomes a racist/xenophobe slagfest aimed at people who are not British..by the same posters. |
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| Rich | Dec 4 2015, 05:39 PM Post #48 |
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Are you suggesting that people that are mistreated by so called professionals should have no grounds to complain? or are you tacitly suggesting that because there are, in certain parts of the UK an "abundance" of Asian doctors that it is racist to make that same complaint? just because the complainant happens to reside within that catchment area? |
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| Deleted User | Dec 4 2015, 05:48 PM Post #49 |
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Well done Rich, thats a hat trick in as many days that you have completely misunderstood the point of my post that you replied to. I think the term 'tacit' may be a give away ie presupposing that I meant what was in your head rather than what was posted . |
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| Rich | Dec 4 2015, 05:50 PM Post #50 |
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I suggest that when you post that it is with the utmost clarity so that no ambiguity can be read into your utterly "innocent" posts. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 4 2015, 05:54 PM Post #51 |
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I suggest that your propensity for putting words into my mouth/post is nobody's fault but yours. |
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| Steve K | Dec 4 2015, 06:02 PM Post #52 |
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True but what whiner Farage and his even bigger whiner Nuttall forgot is that we are not stupid. They have no explanation for how postal voting caused their (much saner) candidate to only get 6,000 votes. Everyone knows the reason why: UKIP are so 2014 |
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| RJD | Dec 4 2015, 06:18 PM Post #53 |
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I saw a speculation somewhere earlier today that Labour is now and will more so become the Party that represents Public Sector Unions, Muslims and those on Welfare Benefits. Not a situation that bodes well for the economy, Labour devastated the manufacturing sector after so much care had been made to rebuild it, on top of that they allowed an abundance of people looking for their 1st jobs which depressed wage rates. Fortunately we now have a Gov. interested in real jobs and wage rates, but it would not take long for the leftards to undo all progress. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 4 2015, 06:27 PM Post #54 |
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Speculation from bitter Tories who predicted his downfall and are trying to claim it is down to nefarious means or ignorance |
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| skwirked | Dec 4 2015, 06:30 PM Post #55 |
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Well I have to congratulate gans for completely p1ssing over the idiot twottle that passes for 'posts' from the predictable Intransigent twits. |
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| papasmurf | Dec 4 2015, 06:33 PM Post #56 |
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Quite, anyone who thinks Labour represents benefit claimants has had their head up their arse since 2008. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 4 2015, 06:36 PM Post #57 |
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| Deleted User | Dec 4 2015, 06:38 PM Post #58 |
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That might explain it...
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| Deleted User | Dec 4 2015, 06:48 PM Post #59 |
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Yes I agree. I doubt that Labour would take a Tory marginal in the near future. However the speculation was, by some, that Labour would lose the by election but they won it with a substantial margin. Within a few hours the losers are finding excuses or sinister reasons for the Labour victory and even your good self is implying that this victory is not particularly significant. IMO this simply shows a victory of black propaganda. The default position of many people is that Corbyn is a danger, a loser or a dangerous loser. Also lets see how things are in a few years time.The next GE is for the Tories to lose and I believe they are quite capable of doing that. |
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| Lewis | Dec 4 2015, 07:15 PM Post #60 |
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Yes agreed. However I didn't realise that we had a government that is interested in real jobs or wage rates. Scamerons Tory government isn't interested in either. |
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| Tigger | Dec 4 2015, 10:10 PM Post #61 |
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Talking of desperate.............
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| Tigger | Dec 4 2015, 10:17 PM Post #62 |
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It was nice to see a rather embittered Nigel Farage make a comparison between Oldham and Harare, presumably because he believes the voting systems have similarities? Note. Robert Magabe retained control of his political party by ensuring there was no leadership contest. Nigel Farage retained control of his political party by ensuring there was no leadership contest. Actually Mugabe never resigned so in my expert* opinion Farage is more politically corrupt! Yes ok, I'm biased, but it's still true! |
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| johnofgwent | Dec 4 2015, 10:25 PM Post #63 |
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It .. It is GREEN !!
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Well the problem for YOU is that corbyn is the man for the working man living in fear of his electricity and gas bills while milliband and Blair were the men that made those bills the ones to fear. Cameron and his rich kid d cabinet wouldn't understand having to find the most ey to pay such a bill. |
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| skwirked | Dec 4 2015, 10:29 PM Post #64 |
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Watch out, in the mind (if you can call it that) of one of our most UKIP-loyal members, you are probably making him 'look intelligent' ( ) with that astute observation.
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| Stonefish | Dec 4 2015, 10:44 PM Post #65 |
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Do you think? http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjD-OiHo8PJAhVCPxQKHSZnCuUQFggfMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuknews%2Flaw-and-order%2F11560017%2FPostal-voting-fraud-is-easy-electoral-commissioner-says.html&usg=AFQjCNHrGZBwQVl76yBqjK4PwXESyKWF7Q&bvm=bv.108538919,d.d24 There have been previous problems with postal voting ,and this is what is being questioned here. I would have expected Labour to win this , however the postal votes results look very suspicious.I'm sure like most you would expect any suspicions to be raised and investigate to ensure a clean and proper vote. |
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| Stonefish | Dec 4 2015, 10:47 PM Post #66 |
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Oh yeah and how the f--k does he think he'll achieve this? Complete pie in the f--g sky,Corbyn is a JOKE. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 4 2015, 10:52 PM Post #67 |
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If I give you a crayon you can write that in a toilet. What can be achieved by flinging bombs ? Do you honestly think that the UK throwing more bombs at targets in Syria will be the solution? Have a little think and see if you can come up with an answer..preferably when you are sober. |
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| Steve K | Dec 4 2015, 10:54 PM Post #68 |
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So how does that explain why UKIP only got 6,000 votes in a by election? Maybe people just don't like Farage anymore. Time for a change? |
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| Tigger | Dec 4 2015, 11:21 PM Post #69 |
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But even if every single postal vote was fraudulent Labour would still have won by a mile. Farage looks like a bad loser to me. And fark mee me old china innit, i treyed to send my fackin vote in from majorka and some dago at d post office frew it in d bin! |
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| skwirked | Dec 4 2015, 11:41 PM Post #70 |
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It still amuses me that Mr Forage 'knew' that a single ballot box had 99% Muslim votes. Psychic? Cheat?
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| Stonefish | Dec 5 2015, 12:41 AM Post #71 |
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Yep ,answer a question with a question,says it all really. In other words,like your mate,you have no idea. Hey why don't you and Jez go out there tomorrow and see how you get on with your negotiations,btw where should I send the wreaths? |
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| Steve K | Dec 5 2015, 12:42 AM Post #72 |
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Or misreported. He did not say that did he But this may amuse Farage's excuses get worse and worse Amongst other things it shreds the actual 99% claim that he did make |
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| Stonefish | Dec 5 2015, 12:44 AM Post #73 |
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Well that's ok then FFS It beggars belief. Did you actually try and educate yourself and read the article numbnuts? No,i thought not. |
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| Stonefish | Dec 5 2015, 12:48 AM Post #74 |
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And you lot bang on about the flack poor ickle Corbyn has received ? Your hatred totally blinds you to the very real and serious problem of what very liely appears to be vote rigging...you f--g morons,disgusting. |
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| Steve K | Dec 5 2015, 12:52 AM Post #75 |
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I read it Which is why I asked the question in my post above. Did you read that? |
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| skwirked | Dec 5 2015, 12:55 AM Post #76 |
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Re Forage's real 99% claim, that's perfect.I think Dguid came out with the classic "Farage had a go on the 'impeccable sauce' afterwards'
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| Stonefish | Dec 5 2015, 01:32 AM Post #77 |
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Yes but your not a moron
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| skwirked | Dec 5 2015, 01:47 AM Post #78 |
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I am sure Farage has been misrepresented but to be fair, as Steve pointed out, he's talked plenty of utter shite too. I think most UKIPpers probably realise this. That said all the publicity seemed to help UKIP as they polled so highly at the gen election.
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| Stonefish | Dec 5 2015, 08:14 AM Post #79 |
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Farage is constantly misrepresented and are you seriously saying Cameron and Corbyn don't talk complete shite either sometimes? Yes people don't like unfair bullying, which I believe may help explain the half decent votes Labour won in Oldham. I think Farage is more guilty of saying things as they are , on 'what are to some sensitive,almost taboo subjects and they don't like the truth. Strawman arguments are used a lot again't Farage and UKIP ,ie we want controlled immigration = 'you don't want immigration' or 'your all racists' and of course the good old 'the NHS would collapse without immigrants'. |
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| RJD | Dec 5 2015, 08:36 AM Post #80 |
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I note a Blairite won that election. I note they kept Corbyn and his views well away from Oldham. Just think if he was questioned on the doorstep and openned up on exactly what it is he does believe in; increases in welfare increases in borrowing unfettered immigration increase NHS spending scrap MI5 disarm the Police hug a Terrorist cut down the MOD such that it can only undertake parades BofE to print money to pay for Gov. projects leave the EU nationalise the Railways and Utilities need I go on? If such was clearly stated on the doorstep how many votes would have been lost? I think the Tories are content with the result and they have Corbyn exactly where they want. Everyone now knows that the new Blairite MP for Oldham will sit on the back-benches for at least a decade if he manages to keep his seat. As for the makeup of the votes for Labour, let us see what the Police unearth. |
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