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| In Defence of Jeremy Corbyn [Freddy Gray - The Spectator]; Naive he may be, but he’s consistent – and at least he’s thinking about the future | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 1 2015, 06:18 PM (1,019 Views) | |
| skwirked | Dec 1 2015, 06:18 PM Post #1 |
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http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/jeremy-corbyn-is-more-sensible-about-syria-than-david-cameron/ Indeed. Well said, Fred. Just what is it we hope to achieve with this provenly stupid course of action? Please keep the yanks out of it...or prepare for a total calamity. I heard some of what Corb's been saying today on the radio, it sounded leaderish enough to me. He is quite clear that negotiation, cutting funding sources and supporting our allies is the order of the day here. Edited by skwirked, Dec 7 2015, 09:31 PM.
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| skwirked | Dec 6 2015, 01:53 PM Post #41 |
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Ah but you don't speak for this forum, try as you might. You are serially opinionated and very shall we say 'lax' at backing up your opinions.But my cred with you is of absolutely no concern to me. In fact, it's a good vindication of my posts that you absolutely reject them. |
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| Rich | Dec 6 2015, 01:59 PM Post #42 |
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Top tip.....do not rely on other posters to back you up, make sure of your post before pressing the send button and do not use other posters names in order to consolidate your own posts.....you make your bed,then you must lie in it, think yourself lucky that I bother to reply to you as I can see hope for you yet. |
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| Affa | Dec 6 2015, 02:00 PM Post #43 |
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He can't! You ate it all already. |
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| Tytoalba | Dec 6 2015, 02:12 PM Post #44 |
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What I want to know is why Corbyn needs defending. If he was representative of the views of the majority of the electorate there would be noi need to rush to defend him. We seem to have Corbyn appo0ligists and defenders doing their best on here. Don't panic, there is another 4 years to go to do your damage to the country and convert the party to a Marxist party that you seem so set on |
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| skwirked | Dec 6 2015, 02:12 PM Post #45 |
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(shrug) If you say so. It doesn't really change the fact that the Tele is a fast-declining rag. I read it myself occasionally, but see plenty of tabloid style spew in it. Remember: your opinion is neither here nor there to me.
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| Affa | Dec 6 2015, 02:46 PM Post #46 |
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What!!! You cannot have missed noticing the daily media, press and TV, assaults on the man, on his politics. He is defended because he is under attack ........... obviously! Most here do not rush to his defence as you imagine, but do rubbish the content (and sometimes motivations) of these attacks. I can now include your post in this .... a prejudiced belief that the man and his party will foister communism on us. idiotic imo. btw ...... I have not once tried to defend Corbyn or his politics ..... I view these attacks as self defeating BS that do more harm to the assailants than they do him .... and am happy that they do. |
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| skwirked | Dec 6 2015, 02:49 PM Post #47 |
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Well said. Oh look, I must be relying on another poster for my opinion. |
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| C-too | Dec 6 2015, 02:59 PM Post #48 |
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Much of the abuse of Corbyn is self earned. He is a square plug attempting to fit into a round hole. |
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| skwirked | Dec 6 2015, 03:06 PM Post #49 |
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Twas so for Blair as well. Inb4 'stop muddying the waters' |
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| Deleted User | Dec 6 2015, 03:08 PM Post #50 |
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Labour party members made the hole square for him. |
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| Affa | Dec 6 2015, 03:26 PM Post #51 |
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If by 'round hole' you mean Establishment Politics, then more power to him I say! |
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| Tytoalba | Dec 6 2015, 03:30 PM Post #52 |
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If they had no ammunition to fire at him they wouldn't light the touch paper. Don't blame the media, for I never see you and others attacking them when they raise issues of concern about the Conservative party or on government policies. His party is divided because of him, his standing with the public is lower than that of Michael foot,and his policies and proposals a danger to our economy and outside forces are trying to join him and take over the party, with him as the figurehead. I can only believe you support him because you support his party, and as I have said before, if the party was led by an idiot there would be a rush by the supporters to claim he was a new messiah. He is the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time, and did not live in obscurity within the Labour ranks for so may years if he really had something to offer. |
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| RJD | Dec 6 2015, 05:01 PM Post #53 |
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I think it proves my point that the Corbynite Camp Followers have no idea what Socialism stands for and what elements of that crapology Corbyn/McDonnell have proclaimed as their own. I find juvenile text speak and absolute turn off and wish the users of this would or could revert to plain English. It is such a beautiful language sp why splatter it with pox? [1] as ghost written by Richard Murphy |
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| skwirked | Dec 6 2015, 05:05 PM Post #54 |
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Sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade (is ULOB such a 'pox'?). I wish you'd stop posting the vile spew articles from the Tele, like their worst stuff. On occasion you make reasonable posts but this stuff is just a load of ultra-biased crap. The Tele offers far better. Feel free to ignore/insult just for stating the truth.
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| Rich | Dec 6 2015, 05:17 PM Post #55 |
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Do you think that you may have replied to the wrong poster? |
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| Affa | Dec 6 2015, 05:27 PM Post #56 |
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I neither support Corbyn as leader, or his party. Neither give me a lot of confidence in their ability to form a successful government that reverses the mess this one we have has made. What I do have is some support for is their declared objectives, to be a party and a government that puts people first. Why anyone that is not a multimillionaire would not support those ideals is beyond reason imo. Edited by Affa, Dec 6 2015, 05:28 PM.
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| C-too | Dec 6 2015, 05:39 PM Post #57 |
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Nope, they, whoever they are, (magic wanders perhaps) allowed the square plug to take control of what was once a Labour party. |
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| C-too | Dec 6 2015, 05:45 PM Post #58 |
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No I don't mean that, I mean that sensible political thinking gets watered down the further one moves to the left or to the right of central politics. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 6 2015, 05:47 PM Post #59 |
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ER no .You used the metaphor using a hole shape and square plug and now you are abandoning the metaphor you chose . What you also seem to be ignoring is that the Labour party is its members.So Corbyn is taking control because the members wish him to. The Labour party is the dog the PLP is the tail...... |
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| C-too | Dec 6 2015, 05:49 PM Post #60 |
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Not so for Blair. Inb4 ? 'stop muddying the waters' ?
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| Rich | Dec 6 2015, 05:52 PM Post #61 |
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As I have repeatedly said, it matters not one bit to me what antics that Corbyn or his ardent adherants get up to as it is not me that has to be convinced, it is the electorate who will decide if he is worthy of being the PM of the UK. |
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| C-too | Dec 6 2015, 05:52 PM Post #62 |
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I used the term "He is a square plug attempting to fit into a round hole". Where have I changed from that ?
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| skwirked | Dec 6 2015, 05:56 PM Post #63 |
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;) Yes it is so for Blair, are we playing ping pong? Blair and his elite are center-right; the much respected political compass attests to this. They were spineless sellouts just like Call me Pighead and co are. They attempted to hijack the party and failed; Corbyn is the natural fit for Labour. |
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| C-too | Dec 6 2015, 05:56 PM Post #64 |
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I believe Corbyn is being advised against attending a fund raising event for his soul mates, the Magic Wand Brigade.
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| Deleted User | Dec 6 2015, 05:57 PM Post #65 |
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You omitted the round hole. Instead the metaphor changed from an ill fitting square peg to 'square peg' actively taking control of the Labour party with the help of 'magic wanders'. Whatever that means. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 6 2015, 06:05 PM Post #66 |
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Yes the natural fit for Labour and the worst nightmare for the neo liberalists. Once the notion of a social conscience and state owned assets is abandoned the world is the rich man's oyster. No more Labour based groups to criticise the assertions that you always deserve everything you get..or dont get. The Corbyn narrative keeps the greedy fearing the needy. |
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| Tytoalba | Dec 6 2015, 06:09 PM Post #67 |
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Idealistic aspirations and ones that all parties would subscribe to, with the logic that all of politics is about people. Power itself is only gained b the will of the people There are so many other factors of concerns that require practical attention. No one and no party can be all things to all people and make them all equal in wealth and standing. People have to be responsible for themselves. People are different, or otherwise we would all come out of education with the same qualifications or all end up with the same income or wealth, and that is never going to happen. I was speaking to a health worker the other day, regarding people taking care of themselves, and her view was that you can give all the help available, educate to the nth degree, give hours of support, but unless they themselves take an active part in avoiding the things that harm them ,or take action to reduce their eating and obesity, and taking more exercise, you can throw as much money at them as you can and it wont make a scrap of difference. This idea of the left that the answers are out there to solve every ones problems by taking from some to give to others, with the government providing the means to run every aspect of their lives is just nonsense. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 6 2015, 06:15 PM Post #68 |
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If you take away all the weasel words in that post you have...if you are poor or vulnerable you deserve it...sink or swim. |
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| Tigger | Dec 6 2015, 07:15 PM Post #69 |
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Many of us are tiring of this abject bollocks. I've done reasonably well for myself over the years and during that time many, many people helped me out or took pity on me, they didn't have to they just did, most of the time I DID ask for that help and got it, occasionally the help was without any obligation. I'm not a waster and I'm not a saint either but I recognise that without offering help most of us will get nowhere in life. And yes I also realise that in right wing land once you get your feet under the table you pull that fucking ladder up as quick as you can.
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| Stonefish | Dec 6 2015, 08:01 PM Post #70 |
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But he does have some,you must squeak when you walk. What you describe is entirely different from what Tytoalba is suggesting A hand up is different from a continual hand out |
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| Tigger | Dec 6 2015, 08:15 PM Post #71 |
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Who decides? Not the privileged want for nothing members of the government and their elderly fawning acolytes, because they have trouble telling the two apart........... |
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| Affa | Dec 6 2015, 09:52 PM Post #72 |
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We have a thread running that more or less recognises that political (party) funding is extremely influential in Election campaigns. Add that the press are also effective in helping people decide how to vote, include the none voters, and we reach the conclusion that the FPTP system is far representative of public opinion.
Not the 'left's' idea, more like the false propaganda of the right. The'left's' idea is not to take from the wealthy but to ensure that too much wealth doesn't end up in too few pockets - better distribution/rewards for the majority not the few. In your post you said you wanted this too ...... did you lie?
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| C-too | Dec 7 2015, 12:05 AM Post #73 |
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Thanks for your post, it gave me a nice lift just before I went out for the evening. Centre-right, Minimum wage. 1.6 million individuals taken out of relative poverty. Working Tax Credits. Increased family allowance. Major improvements in the NHS. New state schools, refurbished state schools, state schools reequipped. Lowest unemployment since the 1970s. ---- and there's no doubt more. All very centre-right NL made the Labour party electable after Corbyn style politics condemned Labour to the opposition benches for 18 years. That's a lesson that the Magic Wanders are going to have to learn all over again. |
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| C-too | Dec 7 2015, 12:06 AM Post #74 |
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Corbyn is the square peg. |
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| C-too | Dec 7 2015, 12:15 AM Post #75 |
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The natural fit for the opposition benches. Since 1951 left-wing politics has kept the Tories in office for 40 years, yes forty years. While Left-Wing Labour managed just 11 years in office. Now the young, the naïve, and the Magic Wanders want to go through it all again.
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| skwirked | Dec 7 2015, 12:17 AM Post #76 |
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Oh C2 do you not understand how it all works? Try to look at the big picture for a second OK. Here's what a pro-Tory can claim (truthfully): NHS funding increased in RT Lowest earners taken out of tax More Schools Built Much Higher min wage More people in work; Full Employment Pensions Increased Record Growth Yep. It's almost as disingenuous as that which you posted, NL did get some things right unlike the Tories but they got far too much wrong. And argue with the well-respected political compass's definitions.
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| C-too | Dec 7 2015, 12:31 AM Post #77 |
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You cannot argue with the improvements made in the NHS under NL, see the 2007 Wanless Review. Low earners taken out of tax and lose Tax Credits. More schools built Inflation increases. Full Employment. Pensions increased, inflation related. (over 75 allowance phased out.) Record growth, compared to what exactly ? Your post is seriously disingenuous, now try take my post to pieces "well-respected political compass's definitions". I have shown you how misleading the claim is. NL were being as centre-left as possible considering the right-wing economy they had to work under.
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| skwirked | Dec 7 2015, 12:36 AM Post #78 |
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You have shown precisely bugger all C2, you made a few assertions and pass them off as facts that have huge consensus behind then. I made a few assertions that can be called facts too. Can you disprove my claims with evidence? I hate defending the Tories or NL but strangely enough I am sure you will struggle because you are so wedded to NL's misleading 'improvements' to the country. |
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| C-too | Dec 7 2015, 12:44 AM Post #79 |
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So you can't counter the points I made. Thought not, that's why I challenged you. ![]() If you knew what you were talking about you would not be attempting to dismiss the points I made. Your challenge is just you attempting to avoid my challenge. |
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| skwirked | Dec 7 2015, 12:58 AM Post #80 |
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Just search fullfact, it backs up every single one of my claims. Of course, it adds much more detail that shows the Tories up as the heathens that they are but eh. So you've been given a source, go knock yourself out. |
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You are serially opinionated and very shall we say 'lax' at backing up your opinions.
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I used the term "He is a square plug attempting to fit into a round hole". Where have I changed from that ?


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