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| Now that dave has got his way on bombing Syria...; What about extremists let into the UK or go to Syria? | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 3 2015, 03:17 PM (503 Views) | |
| Jonksy | Dec 3 2015, 03:17 PM Post #1 |
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What is he going to do about the ISIS and all the other muslim extremists he has let into the UK or the nut jobs who go over to fight for ISIS..? |
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| Steve K | Dec 4 2015, 11:24 AM Post #41 |
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Moving goalposts are we? I'm no fan of BAE SYSTEMS but they do deserve a fair deal. You seem to believe our arms suppliers have to only supply the UK. No longer a viable model for advanced gear, neither is buying foreign gear if we want to have any autonomy of operations. So they have to sell abroad too and here's the thing. Advanced nations don't need to buy our stuff o rarely will, that leaves less advanced nations Or you could double out defence equipment budget, that'd cost £Billions a year |
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| Rich | Dec 4 2015, 11:28 AM Post #42 |
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I think IIRC that arms sales to other countries were required to come up to a new set of standards after the debacle of Churchill and the Scott report over arms sales to Iraq during Thatchers reign. Since then all arms sales are minutely scrutinised before being given a clean bill of health for the export market, once sold it is no business of the UK government what the purchaser then does with those arms. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/bbc_parliament/3631539.stm |
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| Steve K | Dec 4 2015, 11:34 AM Post #43 |
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Yes but it's not perfect. We still support Saudi and that should have ended once they started bombing Yemen. It's quite hard to buy advanced military equipment and then use it for operations the supplying country wishes to end. There's a conclusion there. I suspect some don't want us to export ANY military equipment but still have well equipped flexible UK forces. It is expensive to go that route, there isn't an advanced military supply in the world that doesn't have to export to make it affordable. |
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| RJD | Dec 4 2015, 11:39 AM Post #44 |
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You are clearly wrong as we have it on good authority that it is Cameron's personal friends who are making a killing out of the MOD. |
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| Jonksy | Dec 4 2015, 11:42 AM Post #45 |
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No not moving the goal posts at all...Both you and I know the arms trade leaves a lot to be desired where honesty is concerned.. The FACTS are that cameron has pushed the arms trade and neglected much of whats left of our industry. We now even have the Chinese building Nuke stations when we have the know how and expertise of our own which would be 50% cheaper.. And back on topic what has he done to sort out the enemy within? Only this morning this has turned up.. ISIS is 'planning to target Britain within WEEKS': European spy agencies have intercepted intelligence of a Paris-style attack, terror expert warns http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3345468/ISIS-planning-attack-Britain-WEEKS-warns-security-expert-says-intelligence-jihadi-outrage-intercepted-European-spy-agencies.html#ixzz3tLqkCzsY Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook |
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| Stonefish | Dec 4 2015, 11:44 AM Post #46 |
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Hang on,why stop supplying Saudi after they started in Yemen? They went as part of a coalition and were invited by the recognised govt there to help win a civil war. Are we the only ones allowed to bomb the shit out of stuff? |
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| Steve K | Dec 4 2015, 11:47 AM Post #47 |
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We sold off our far from perfect nuclear power station expertise to the French and it is the French company EDF building that power station.
You do realise you have a big part of the answer in your own words don't you? |
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| Steve K | Dec 4 2015, 11:53 AM Post #48 |
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Really needs its own thread. Yemen is a civil war they should not have got involved in, they were invited in by someone without state authority and many reports from serious agencies say they are flagrantly using illegal bombing of civilians with our weaponry So yes we should stop all weapon supply and associated logistics support to Saudi. |
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| Jonksy | Dec 4 2015, 01:06 PM Post #49 |
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He has done NOTHING to defend our own country from ISIS...Has he closed the borders? Has he rounded up known suspects? Has he stopped ISIS fighters returning to the UK? And why didn't EDF employ UK construction firms? China’s going to build a nuclear power plant… in the UK Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2015/10/21/chinas-going-to-build-a-nuclear-power-plant-in-the-uk-5454052/#ixzz3tMBLtsxv Edited by Jonksy, Dec 4 2015, 01:07 PM.
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| skwirked | Dec 4 2015, 01:57 PM Post #50 |
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I will await JoG's no doubt comprehensive reply. I haven't seen anyone beat him re facts about our and others' arms industries. |
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| Steve K | Dec 4 2015, 06:16 PM Post #51 |
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Yes it's in the Metro of course it's true Here have the facts the Metro's crayon writer used to generate that false headline: http://www.edfenergy.com/energy/nuclear-new-build-projects/hinkley-point-c/news-views/agreements-in-place |
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| RJD | Dec 4 2015, 06:21 PM Post #52 |
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Truth is it was Brown who neglected our manufacturing sector and allowed the sale of UK nuclear plant building technologies to be sold off. Why is it that the leftards have an aversion to the truth? |
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| Jonksy | Dec 4 2015, 07:17 PM Post #53 |
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It was in ALL the paper's including the toryagraph..
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| Jonksy | Dec 4 2015, 07:19 PM Post #54 |
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The truth is that it was the tories under thatcher who started to dismantle our manufacturing base.. |
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| avagrumble | Dec 4 2015, 07:58 PM Post #55 |
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Getting involved is easy......its the getting out that's hard. Where are ISIS getting supplied with their ammunition, find out who is supplying them and bomb the ammunition factories that are producing the bullets, the explosives and rockets. Whichever country these factories are in, warn them that they face closure by bombing. |
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| Affa | Dec 4 2015, 08:30 PM Post #56 |
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Can you explain then why? I recall it was under Thatcher that he Grid was connected to France as an emergency supplier - they having excess nuclear capacity whilst our power generating capability was in decline ........ and stayed in decline. Edited by Affa, Dec 4 2015, 08:33 PM.
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| C-too | Dec 4 2015, 08:51 PM Post #57 |
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Not that old chestnut AGAIN. Our manufacturing was reduced to an unrecoverable state in the 1951/1964 period. Thatcher's attacks on industry were so devastating in a long term way because she was putting most of her/our eggs into her Deregulation/Financial Services/Free Market economy. Which played a major part in reducing industry further. This was exacerbated by the apparent success of Financial Services in the period 2000/2006, people were choosing and had been choosing for some time NOT to invest their cash in our industrial base, they found it easier and quite quickly rewarding to put THEIR cash into financial investments/rewards. |
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| Stonefish | Dec 4 2015, 09:12 PM Post #58 |
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Not what I read,they were officially invited and are part of a coalition.Need I remind Syria is also in a civil war. The US and others have entered countries without any kind of invite and has killed thousands of innocents.Personally I cant see the difference much,though I'm no fan of Saudi. |
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| Steve K | Dec 4 2015, 09:52 PM Post #59 |
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So you're laughing at your inability to post links from them. Bizarre Or were you laughing at your inability to actually counter the facts? |
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| Steve K | Dec 4 2015, 09:54 PM Post #60 |
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Didn't they get most of it when they seized Iraq army depots? Not sure any factories are supplying them |
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| Steve K | Dec 4 2015, 09:57 PM Post #61 |
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But unless you're goingback to Grenada in the 190s the USA had UNSC resolutions to back them As for the Yemen weren't the Saudis invited in by an ex president (Hadi) who decided that he's rather be president again without going through the fuss of elections IE he had no right to so invite |
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| Tigger | Dec 4 2015, 10:31 PM Post #62 |
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Keep an eye on defence contractors share prices in the next few months. |
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| Stonefish | Dec 4 2015, 10:35 PM Post #63 |
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Hmmm,don't think it had permission for Iraq did it ? |
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| Tigger | Dec 4 2015, 10:36 PM Post #64 |
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Still peddling this one I see? You'll find it was Major that did the real damage Have you no shame? No need to answer that BTW. File under nuclear piles giving him jip. |
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| Jonksy | Dec 5 2015, 02:15 AM Post #65 |
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No I am laughing at YOUR stupidity there are plenty of links out there google is your friend.. The FACTS are that China are going to build the next Nuke station in the UK when we have PERFECTLY good construction companies of our own.. EDF Energy has reached an agreement with China General Nuclear Power Corporation (CGN) for a nuclear power plant at Hinkley Point, Somerset. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34587650 China to own a third of Hinkley Point nuclear power station http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/11941766/China-to-own-a-third-of-Hinkley-Point-nuclear-power-station.html China bags gold with UK nuclear power station deal http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/china-bags-gold-with-uk-nuclear-power-station-deal-1-3924084#ixzz3tPQosPQn Hinkley Point nuclear power plant Q&A: How big a stake will China have? What other projects will attract investment? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/hinkley-point-nuclear-power-plant-qa-how-big-a-stake-will-china-have-what-other-projects-will-a6703046.html Edited by Jonksy, Dec 5 2015, 02:25 AM.
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| Jonksy | Dec 5 2015, 02:16 AM Post #66 |
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Of course he has no shame...he is a tory.. |
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| Cymru | Dec 5 2015, 05:44 AM Post #67 |
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Paris attacks: Plot leader 'had UK links' - reports http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35013221 So I guess Dave will be ordering air strikes on the UK then in response? Edited by Cymru, Dec 5 2015, 05:45 AM.
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| Cymru | Dec 5 2015, 05:50 AM Post #68 |
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Isis wants an insane, medieval race war – and we’ve decided to give them one http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/04/isis-wants-an-insane-medieval-race-war-and-weve-decided-to-give-them-one Thought this might generate some discussion. Love Frankie Boyle. |
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| Stonefish | Dec 5 2015, 08:17 AM Post #69 |
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But I do believe he is putting some serious money into counter terrorism,setting up a quick reaction force and employing another 5k counter terrorist operatives? |
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| Stonefish | Dec 5 2015, 08:18 AM Post #70 |
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Frankie Bolye is a boil ,and the firt line of that dribble was enough to make me stop reading the rest. |
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| RJD | Dec 5 2015, 08:49 AM Post #71 |
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Because they could buy surplus electricity from France cheaper than we could generate it. As for the decline in generating capacity "how many power stations were built between 1997 and 2010"? |
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| RJD | Dec 5 2015, 08:52 AM Post #72 |
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Not that old white wash again. Fullfact has shown, conclusively, that between 1979 and 1997 that manufacturing value added grew in the UK by ~$20b and then between 1997 and 2010 it declined by a staggering £44b. QED. Nothing more needs to be added that is sufficient proof of the claim. |
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| skwirked | Dec 5 2015, 05:22 PM Post #73 |
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Saw this earlier, very good. |
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| Stonefish | Dec 5 2015, 09:34 PM Post #74 |
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Very good ? he's a f--g idiot lol |
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| Steve K | Dec 5 2015, 09:44 PM Post #75 |
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Well based on that article I have to say seconded |
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| skwirked | Dec 5 2015, 09:48 PM Post #76 |
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What bits did you guys take issue with? |
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| Steve K | Dec 5 2015, 09:56 PM Post #77 |
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How long you got? "so we decided to stop children drowning on the beaches by killing them in their beds." emotive bollocks "Dropping something from a great height can never be precise" pig ignorant bollocks "The motion they voted on was a vague list of “necessary measures” and “requests for assistance”, with “specifically airstrikes” at the very bottom – as if someone had shouted it out of the front door as they were starting the car:" what does that idiot want, a list of co-ordinates of where we will hit and on it went. Had Boyle been on the Meth? Methadone this time of course |
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| skwirked | Dec 5 2015, 10:13 PM Post #78 |
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Harsh if I may say so, seems he may a few good observations in slightly exaggerated language. Well that's the norm really. |
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| Steve K | Dec 5 2015, 10:18 PM Post #79 |
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The norm amongst what Stonefish described as "f---ing idiots" maybe |
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| skwirked | Dec 5 2015, 10:21 PM Post #80 |
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If you say so, he is one of the most offensive comics round. You aren't meant to take it too literally, not to patronise or anything but..you do seem to be over-reading into his metaphors. I wouldn't call such comedians 'f-ing idiots'. |
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