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P155ing on Democracy PT2; Burying the Lords?
Topic Started: Dec 7 2015, 09:51 AM (429 Views)
skwirked
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Lord Strathclyde has been instructed by the Prime Minister to look at curbing the powers of the second chamber

The Tory grandee appointed by David Cameron to review the role of the House of Lords will propose that hostile peers should be banned from overturning legislation.

Lord Strathclyde has been instructed by the Prime Minister to look at curbing the powers of the second chamber, after peers voted to block George Osborne's plan to cut tax credits.

The chair of the review into the second chamber will suggest the increasingly hostile anti-Tory majority should lose their veto over delegated or secondary legislation, as it poses a threat to the Prime Minister's legislative plans.

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According to senior Tories, the Lords have inflicted defeats on the government on 70 per cent of occasions since May's election.

The peer said he will complete his review before Christmas and has rejected the option of creating hundreds of new Conservative Lords to give the governing party a greater chance of success in Lords votes.

One senior Tory said: “The House of Lords has to tread carefully. If they don’t accept this proposal, we could stop them having any say at all on secondary legislation. That’s a big bazooka.”


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/12036635/David-Cameron-to-ban-House-of-Lords-from-overturning-legislation.html


This govt are beyond the pale.

Look how benevolent they're being, they're only destroying any democratic power the lords have..nothing too drastic then!

FFS.
Edited by skwirked, Dec 7 2015, 09:52 AM.
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Steve K
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Rich
Dec 8 2015, 01:00 AM
skwirked
Dec 8 2015, 12:55 AM
She's definitely correct Rich.

A lot of the things you've asked for re crims/immigration, in this and other threads technically can be done..and in a short timeframe too.

But the politicians have their agendas don't you know.
Perhaps you could remind me and others of how long it took to get rid of Abu Hamza? successive home secretaries tore their hair out over that debacle....AND we are still left with his family and supporting them on welfare.
I think you've named the wrong case

Abu Hamza was the one Mrs Thatcher gave UK citizenship to. Hard to deport UK citizens
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Rich
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Steve K
Dec 8 2015, 10:31 AM
Rich
Dec 8 2015, 01:00 AM
skwirked
Dec 8 2015, 12:55 AM
She's definitely correct Rich.

A lot of the things you've asked for re crims/immigration, in this and other threads technically can be done..and in a short timeframe too.

But the politicians have their agendas don't you know.
Perhaps you could remind me and others of how long it took to get rid of Abu Hamza? successive home secretaries tore their hair out over that debacle....AND we are still left with his family and supporting them on welfare.
I think you've named the wrong case

Abu Hamza was the one Mrs Thatcher gave UK citizenship to. Hard to deport UK citizens
Whatever, I am sure there was a case that took about 13 years to complete after endless appeals to the ECHR.
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Steve K
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Rich
Dec 8 2015, 10:52 AM
Steve K
Dec 8 2015, 10:31 AM
Rich
Dec 8 2015, 01:00 AM

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I think you've named the wrong case

Abu Hamza was the one Mrs Thatcher gave UK citizenship to. Hard to deport UK citizens
Whatever, I am sure there was a case that took about 13 years to complete after endless appeals to the ECHR.
Abu Qatada

The one that spent most of that time in jail or house arrest

The one klutz fingers Teresa May kept getting the paperwork wrong on and then blamed the ECtHR, the HRA, the man from the off licence and indeed anyone but herself

The one that pointed out the extradition was to a kangaroo court based on torture. As was proved when Jordan finally agreed to give him a fair trial which then found that he was not guilty

A decent society means giving proper legal rights to those that you, me and even most people don't like
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Half of me thinks "execute all the bastards just suspend due process - be like the yanks" and then my conscience(?) agrees that everyone deserves a fair trial.
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Lords in revolt over Tory plan to turn all failing schools into academies

Peers’ refusal to back a Bill will herald another stand-off between upper and lower houses

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Under new government proposals, which have been signed off by MPs and are to be debated in the Lords on 9 December, all schools face “automatic academisation” if they are rated “inadequate” by Ofsted inspectors.

The Education Bill also removes the need to consult parents before forcing the school to become an academy that is free from local authority control. However, The Independent on Sunday can reveal that Labour peers will table an amendment to the Bill, giving parents, teachers and local councillors the power to block the school from changing its status.

It also forces the Education Secretary Nicky Morgan to take into account the outcome of the consultation when deciding whether or not to go ahead with the conversion. The amendment has the support of Liberal Democrat and crossbench peers, meaning it is almost certain to be passed – forcing MPs to debate the proposal.

A senior Labour source admitted the amendment is intended to scrap automatic academisation in all but name. He said the move is aimed to stop parents being “cut out” of their children’s education and ensures the same rules apply to all schools. The Bill currently keeps the legal requirement for successful schools to consult parents if they want to apply for academy status – but removes the clause when a school is issued with an “academy order”.

The shadow schools minister in the Lords Mike Watson accused the Government of trying to force through sweeping changes to how schools are run regardless of the views of parents and teachers.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lords-in-revolt-over-tory-plan-to-turn-all-failing-schools-into-academies-a6770866.html


Good, hope the Lords succeed in destroying this govts ill-thought out plans. The Academies system is a failure.

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Dec 7 2015, 11:55 AM
skwirked
Dec 7 2015, 11:35 AM
Who voted for this govt's policies?

They have torn up their manifesto and totally lied to Joe Public, ergo the Lords are entirely justified in what they did.
The public voted them in and expect them to do what is necessary. Policies are what they decide are necessary when in office, the pragmatic approach dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations, adjusting the sails according to the wind, its strength and the direction it blows.
You want a listening government, then you must expect them to change their minds occasionally, for anything else will just be dictatorial dogma especially as dictated by the left.
The public did NOT vote them in...More people abstained from voting than those who voted for the tory SCUM. They have a poxy majority of 11 and they probably wouldn't have had that if it hadn't of been for the joke of the so called the postal vote.
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gansao
Dec 7 2015, 08:51 PM
RJD
Dec 7 2015, 02:23 PM
Tytoalba
Dec 7 2015, 10:20 AM
How many times did Blair and Brown use the Parliament Act to ram through Bills not related to finance? Very selective memory these lefties have.


Considering Brown and Blair were Tories leading a Tory lite party with Tory lite policies maybe its one righty that has a selective memory.
Edward Heath was a swivel eyed Trotskyite compared with those two.
The HofL showed some social conscience and the Tory Ayn Rand disciples want their head on a plate.
Not true the two posh boys are confirmed Blairites, just look at their interventionist policies. They are about as middle of the road one can get in current UK politics and that is the hill that Blair occupied for years. The extremists today are all on the left with the Corbynites and their Marxist thinking and clear belief in magic money. You misunderstand, Thatcher moved the centre of gravity of British politics to the right and there is no sign that it is going to shift back towards the old failed politics of the pre-12979 lefties. They have become an embarrassing anachronism.
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^ Nope the public aren't tolerating their right-wingedness so they must moderate it so.

The majority of the actual populace didn't vote Tory.
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