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| Momentum group moves to block influence of hard-left parties; Members of other parties will not be allowed at decision-making meetings, says body set up to support new Labour leader | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 9 2015, 03:14 PM (201 Views) | |
| skwirked | Dec 9 2015, 03:14 PM Post #1 |
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This must be awful news for the dim, tribal bottom-feeders; both right and left wing. How dare Corbyn actually sensibly govern Labour..he MUST BE SEEN to be Failing otherwise we gots us some trouble. We gots snake eyes. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/dec/08/jeremy-corbyn-momentum-group-moves-to-block-influence-of-hard-left-parties Edited by skwirked, Dec 9 2015, 03:23 PM.
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| papasmurf | Dec 9 2015, 03:20 PM Post #2 |
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It isn't Corbyn's group, he doesn't own it. |
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| skwirked | Dec 9 2015, 03:22 PM Post #3 |
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Yeah true, did he even found it? I don't think he did. It's the title of the article, you can always count on the grauniad..
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| Affa | Dec 9 2015, 04:52 PM Post #4 |
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When push comes to shove the Guardian will take the Establishment line. Maybe never as vicious, but it does remain pro status quo. |
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| skwirked | Dec 9 2015, 04:54 PM Post #5 |
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True. But this article was mostly fair, I thought. It gave every side their fair hearing (even if the title was dodgy). |
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| Rich | Dec 9 2015, 05:11 PM Post #6 |
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Really, it highlights the double standards of labour when it comes to having links with dubious bodies. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/26/tessa-jowell-harriet-harman-daily-mail-paedophila-row |
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| skwirked | Dec 9 2015, 09:32 PM Post #7 |
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Well Lab aren't alone with that sadly. Seems Corbyn is doing a fine job at reforming Lab and they are actually crusaders against such horrific stuff. Good that they distance themselves so: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-mp-tom-watson-admits-he-would-not-have-touched-paedophile-rights-group-pie-with-a-bargepole-9155518.html Edited by skwirked, Dec 9 2015, 09:34 PM.
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| Rich | Dec 9 2015, 09:38 PM Post #8 |
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I am of the opinion that the old cliche' is true...Leopards do not change their spots, and Mr Corbyn is going to attend Momentum's Christmas Party, strange that is it not when he has apparently distanced himself from their agenda? |
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| papasmurf | Dec 9 2015, 10:03 PM Post #9 |
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Evidence? |
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| Tigger | Dec 9 2015, 10:07 PM Post #10 |
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He's currently stuffing a turkey with the entrails of dead capitalists and freedom loving members of the right wing press.
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| skwirked | Dec 9 2015, 10:07 PM Post #11 |
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Rich, Corbyn fully embraces Momentum's agenda. Please explain to us why he shouldn't. |
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| Rich | Dec 9 2015, 10:57 PM Post #12 |
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Well, I am switching between a film and here at present, but if you use BBC I player and watch the daily politics show chaired by Andrew neil and Jo Cole you will hear Mr Neil state as much, if not I will upload the link a bit later. |
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| papasmurf | Dec 9 2015, 11:00 PM Post #13 |
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I suspect Andrew Neil was taking the piss, as he often does. His comments are not evidence. |
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| skwirked | Dec 9 2015, 11:10 PM Post #14 |
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Would someone explain why he is wrong to embrace Momentum. Hint: it's a broad camp that isn't ultra-lefty dominated. |
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| papasmurf | Dec 9 2015, 11:11 PM Post #15 |
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I suggest YOU watch the BBC I player and then retract/edit your comment. (I just wasted my time watching it.) |
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| Rich | Dec 10 2015, 12:30 AM Post #16 |
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Well thank you for taking your time Papa, I have just watched it again and guess what, that particular line appears to have been edited out, but if you care to listen again you will hear Lucy Powell say, " Well, if he wants to go, that is up to him", so, I suggest that it is the BBC who is taking the piss and not Mr Neil, BTW, my wife listened to the same programme as me at the same time and was just as surprised as myself. Make of that what you will, but please do not tacitly infer that I tell lies.....I am not that stupid. Edited by Rich, Dec 10 2015, 12:32 AM.
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| papasmurf | Dec 10 2015, 08:48 AM Post #17 |
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No it hasn't, it was neither a Christman party or Momentum. It was a fundraiser for stop the war. |
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| Tytoalba | Dec 10 2015, 09:52 AM Post #18 |
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Its an admission by the Labour party that there are extreme elements infiltrating it or have already done so, and trying to dictate its agenda. Those they are trying to exclude are still signed up members of the party , and can vote on party policies and elections. As long as Corbyn leads the party you will have a hard time convincing people he is a moderate middle ground politician. Its just insincere political window dressing. |
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| papasmurf | Dec 10 2015, 09:54 AM Post #19 |
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He isn't, and no-one is stating he is. |
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| Ewill | Dec 10 2015, 10:19 AM Post #20 |
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Momentum has decided that office holders in the group must all be Labour members Can't members of even darker shades of red factions also be members of the Labour party? |
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| Rich | Dec 10 2015, 12:51 PM Post #21 |
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I stand corrected, it is to to with "stop the war", I have just listened to Andrew neil interviewing John Reid (now Lord Reid) at the end of this interview Mr Neil asked Lord Reid if he too was attending the same Christmas party as Mr Corbyn. |
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| skwirked | Dec 10 2015, 02:46 PM Post #22 |
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Not really unless you can prove otherwise. |
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| RJD | Dec 10 2015, 03:07 PM Post #23 |
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If they have £3.00 |
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| RJD | Dec 10 2015, 03:14 PM Post #24 |
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It would be like attempting to prove black is really white. I really do not know why these people with obvious Marxist views wish to disguise them or hide them from view or dress them up with pink ribbons. When I was a lad Socialists were proud of their views and quick to point out what they stood for. Perhaps it is the shame of being associated with all those 20th C. Socialist experiments which ended up abusing citizens and in some cases impoverishing them. Now if the could find one good shining example of a success to pin their deep red ribbons on, maybe they would come out of the closets and say "look at me red to the core and I eat red Socialist meat I spit on you lilly livered Capitalists and your running dog whores". But that example is illusive. |
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| skwirked | Dec 10 2015, 03:33 PM Post #25 |
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It might hèlp if one actually knew what a Marxist was.
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| Rich | Dec 10 2015, 03:42 PM Post #26 |
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Have a short listen to the following, it may answer your question, once upon a time I had no time for John Reid, listening to him now I would certainly read a biography of him if one were to be printed, he seems like a very interesting man as well as being a convert from Marxism. The short clip begins at 32 minutes in. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06s5ztk/daily-politics-10122015 |
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| Tytoalba | Dec 10 2015, 03:48 PM Post #27 |
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And for that you get quantity Never mind the quality, feel the width.
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| RJD | Dec 10 2015, 04:08 PM Post #28 |
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What would Labour want quality for? That would go against traditions. |
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| skwirked | Dec 10 2015, 04:39 PM Post #29 |
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He's not actually a convert from Marxism, he makes that clear, not that he understands what it is to have an opinion either way but hey ho. And mine was an assertion that applies to many people here. Oh, and I am not a Marxist.I'd like your definition of a Marxist though. |
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| Rich | Dec 10 2015, 04:42 PM Post #30 |
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I do not have one, I have never given the "ism" a second thought just as I feel the same about Islamism or any ism come to that, the here and now is what is happening and that is something that we can change, history is for readers, the future is for doers. |
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| Ewill | Dec 10 2015, 07:22 PM Post #31 |
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All the £3 members of all hues from the darkest red to the brightest blue prove it Edited by Ewill, Dec 10 2015, 07:24 PM.
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| skwirked | Dec 10 2015, 07:24 PM Post #32 |
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Sigh. Did you not hear about the screening process and the masses of tories and hard lefties unceremoniously flecked off/their cash taken and not given back? Thought not. |
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| Ewill | Dec 10 2015, 07:49 PM Post #33 |
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You think the so called ''screening'' stopped the non-names of any hue? How naïve
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| skwirked | Dec 10 2015, 07:55 PM Post #34 |
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(shrug) We know it definitely worked because there were loads of complaints. Do you have proof that it didn't work? |
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