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Top three e-petitions
Topic Started: Dec 11 2015, 11:45 AM (186 Views)
papasmurf
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Interesting times.


https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions?state=open

Block Donald J Trump from UK entry

517,335 signatures


Accept more asylum seekers and increase support for refugee migrants in the UK.

447,473 signatures


Stop all immigration and close the UK borders until ISIS is defeated.

447,396 signatures

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All got ignored by our **** incompetents.
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Steve K
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skwirked
Dec 11 2015, 11:48 AM
All got ignored by our **** incompetents.
Why do you say ignored? Have you checked the petition close dates? And I know for a fact the asylum one got a debate

Methinks you assume your guesses are facts, they're not
Edited by Steve K, Dec 11 2015, 03:59 PM.
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skwirked
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They all got ignored, what passes for a 'robust debate' in the "house of commons" (should be house of cards) does not fly with me, in this case it certainly wasn't a real debate.

Methinks you are advocating on behalf of the devil a bit too much; remember he's a c u next tues, a bit like these folks.
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Rich
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skwirked
Dec 11 2015, 04:08 PM
They all got ignored, what passes for a 'robust debate' in the "house of commons" (should be house of cards) does not fly with me, in this case it certainly wasn't a real debate.

Methinks you are advocating on behalf of the devil a bit too much; remember he's a c u next tues, a bit like these folks.
I understood that when a petition passes the required amount, it triggers a debate as to wether or not it should become a debate for the whole of the house...I may be wrong.
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Rich
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Rich
Dec 11 2015, 04:15 PM
skwirked
Dec 11 2015, 04:08 PM
They all got ignored, what passes for a 'robust debate' in the "house of commons" (should be house of cards) does not fly with me, in this case it certainly wasn't a real debate.

Methinks you are advocating on behalf of the devil a bit too much; remember he's a c u next tues, a bit like these folks.
I understood that when a petition passes the required amount, it triggers a debate as to wether or not it should become a debate for the whole of the house...I may be wrong.
Oh dear, I think that you may have just broken the ruling regarding part of the female anatomy regarding see you next tuesday.
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Steve K
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skwirked
Dec 11 2015, 04:08 PM
They all got ignored, what passes for a 'robust debate' in the "house of commons" (should be house of cards) does not fly with me, in this case it certainly wasn't a real debate.

Methinks you are advocating on behalf of the devil a bit too much; remember he's a c u next tues, a bit like these folks.
A 3 hour debate is what it got

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105991

You said it was ignored which was rubbish as it clearly wasn't. Why do you seek to mislead the forum?

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And the war got a 10 hour debate. So?

My point is clear and not misleading, especially now that it's been clarified, disagree all you like but that's the truth.
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Steve K
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skwirked
Dec 11 2015, 04:26 PM
And the war got a 10 hour debate. So?

My point is clear and not misleading, especially now that it's been clarified, disagree all you like but that's the truth.
You said 'ignored' that was a lie wasn't it. It got a three hour debate on Sept 8th leading to a 6 hour debate the next day at which the ePetition motion was voted down by 311 to 259

That ain't ignored in any language.
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Well I feel the point of the debate got ignored to make way for idiotic platitudes and emotional crap about dead refugees/incidents and anecdotes, with oft-quoted figures slumg about. Call that misleading all you like, I am sure the majority of the forum would endorse your view but I stand by mine.
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Rich
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skwirked
Dec 11 2015, 04:56 PM
Well I feel the point of the debate got ignored to make way for idiotic platitudes and emotional crap about dead refugees/incidents and anecdotes, with oft-quoted figures slumg about. Call that misleading all you like, I am sure the majority of the forum would endorse your view but I stand by mine.
Well, are you going to admit that the petition/s were NOT ignored or what?
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As said I feel the point of the petitions got ignored, even the ones that actually did get a so called 'debate'. So no, the petitions got embraced only to be ignored.

Yep I expect scorn to be heaped on me for holding this view, so be it.
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Rich
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skwirked
Dec 11 2015, 05:00 PM
As said I feel the point of the petitions got ignored, even the ones that actually did get a so called 'debate'. So no, the petitions got embraced only to be ignored.

Yep I expect scorn to be heaped on me for holding this view, so be it.
But that is not what you said in post No 2 of this thread.
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Steve K
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skwirked
Dec 11 2015, 05:00 PM
As said I feel the point of the petitions got ignored, even the ones that actually did get a so called 'debate'. So no, the petitions got embraced only to be ignored.

Yep I expect scorn to be heaped on me for holding this view, so be it.
Well what do you want the response to 450,000 signatures to be? To point out the obvious that means ~99% of the electorate did not sign it
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Steve K
Dec 11 2015, 05:04 PM
skwirked
Dec 11 2015, 05:00 PM
As said I feel the point of the petitions got ignored, even the ones that actually did get a so called 'debate'. So no, the petitions got embraced only to be ignored.

Yep I expect scorn to be heaped on me for holding this view, so be it.
Well what do you want the response to 450,000 signatures to be? To point out the obvious that means ~99% of the electorate did not sign it
Best not hold on to any pretence of taking them seriously then as the govt does.

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Rich
Dec 11 2015, 04:15 PM
skwirked
Dec 11 2015, 04:08 PM
They all got ignored, what passes for a 'robust debate' in the "house of commons" (should be house of cards) does not fly with me, in this case it certainly wasn't a real debate.

Methinks you are advocating on behalf of the devil a bit too much; remember he's a c u next tues, a bit like these folks.
I understood that when a petition passes the required amount, it triggers a debate as to wether or not it should become a debate for the whole of the house...I may be wrong.
This petitioning has got out of hand.For each petition for there should be one against just to keep it in balance . Like so many "good" ideas it was never thought through. and now we reach the stage in our electronic age where it is becoming meaningless for so many can sign up with just a press of a button and a few key strokes.
We elect MPs to do the full time thinking for us, and they have access to the widest of information, far more than most of us ever will hear about, . so let them just get on with it, warts and all.
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"We elect MPs to do the full time thinking for us"

!jk! !jk! !jk! !jk!

Oh deary deary deary dear . .
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Tytoalba
Dec 11 2015, 11:09 PM
This petitioning has got out of hand.For each petition for there should be one against just to keep it in balance .
Or we could have a voting system and call it the Monday Poll ;-)

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Like so many "good" ideas it was never thought through. and now we reach the stage in our electronic age where it is becoming meaningless for so many can sign up with just a press of a button and a few key strokes.
Ah not so impressed with my refinement then  :(
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We elect MPs to do the full time thinking for us, and they have access to the widest of information, far more than most of us ever will hear about, . so let them just get on with it, warts and all.
No, No, NoNo No!

They have to be held to account and e-petitions is one way of doing that. Otherwise they would only be held to account by the imperfect media
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Steve K
Dec 11 2015, 11:15 PM
Tytoalba
Dec 11 2015, 11:09 PM
This petitioning has got out of hand.For each petition for there should be one against just to keep it in balance .
Or we could have a voting system and call it the Monday Poll ;-)

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Like so many "good" ideas it was never thought through. and now we reach the stage in our electronic age where it is becoming meaningless for so many can sign up with just a press of a button and a few key strokes.
Ah not so impressed with my refinement then  :(
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We elect MPs to do the full time thinking for us, and they have access to the widest of information, far more than most of us ever will hear about, . so let them just get on with it, warts and all.
No, No, NoNo No!

They have to be held to account and e-petitions is one way of doing that. Otherwise they would only be held to account by the imperfect media
But they do our thinking for us Steve.  :( Best just let them get on with it and keep schtum.
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Steve K
Dec 11 2015, 11:15 PM
Tytoalba
Dec 11 2015, 11:09 PM
This petitioning has got out of hand.For each petition for there should be one against just to keep it in balance .
Or we could have a voting system and call it the Monday Poll ;-)

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Like so many "good" ideas it was never thought through. and now we reach the stage in our electronic age where it is becoming meaningless for so many can sign up with just a press of a button and a few key strokes.
Ah not so impressed with my refinement then  :(
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We elect MPs to do the full time thinking for us, and they have access to the widest of information, far more than most of us ever will hear about, . so let them just get on with it, warts and all.
No, No, NoNo No!

They have to be held to account and e-petitions is one way of doing that. Otherwise they would only be held to account by the imperfect media
We do that already , if reluctantly.
We lobby, protest, complain and suggest, but in the end they in parliament make the decisions. Can you imagine the chaos if each one of us had a say in the matter? We have elections and complain about the outcomes, so we would go the same way whatever the subject matter. matter. It would be like this board , with the opposing sides writ big.
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Tytoalba
Dec 11 2015, 11:24 PM
Steve K
Dec 11 2015, 11:15 PM
Tytoalba
Dec 11 2015, 11:09 PM
This petitioning has got out of hand.For each petition for there should be one against just to keep it in balance .
Or we could have a voting system and call it the Monday Poll ;-)

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Like so many "good" ideas it was never thought through. and now we reach the stage in our electronic age where it is becoming meaningless for so many can sign up with just a press of a button and a few key strokes.
Ah not so impressed with my refinement then  :(
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We elect MPs to do the full time thinking for us, and they have access to the widest of information, far more than most of us ever will hear about, . so let them just get on with it, warts and all.
No, No, NoNo No!

They have to be held to account and e-petitions is one way of doing that. Otherwise they would only be held to account by the imperfect media
We do that already , if reluctantly.
We lobby, protest, complain and suggest, but in the end they in parliament make the decisions. Can you imagine the chaos if each one of us had a say in the matter? We have elections and complain about the outcomes, so we would go the same way whatever the subject matter. matter. It would be like this board , with the opposing sides writ big.
It's not saying we have a say in the matter, it says we have a say in what they have to make an on the record decision about.

Although as it happens I would support a degree of Swiss people's referenda as well
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"Or we could have a voting system and call it the Monday Poll ;-) "

Perhaps we could hold it in the George and Dragon near here where the "monday" club meets.
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Tytoalba
Dec 11 2015, 11:09 PM
Rich
Dec 11 2015, 04:15 PM
skwirked
Dec 11 2015, 04:08 PM
They all got ignored, what passes for a 'robust debate' in the "house of commons" (should be house of cards) does not fly with me, in this case it certainly wasn't a real debate.

Methinks you are advocating on behalf of the devil a bit too much; remember he's a c u next tues, a bit like these folks.
I understood that when a petition passes the required amount, it triggers a debate as to wether or not it should become a debate for the whole of the house...I may be wrong.
This petitioning has got out of hand.For each petition for there should be one against just to keep it in balance . Like so many "good" ideas it was never thought through. and now we reach the stage in our electronic age where it is becoming meaningless for so many can sign up with just a press of a button and a few key strokes.
We elect MPs to do the full time thinking for us, and they have access to the widest of information, far more than most of us ever will hear about, . so let them just get on with it, warts and all.
It is inevitable that idiots will demand debates that are nonsensical. These need to be screened out even if they do gain 100,000+ votes.The most stupid one was to debate whether Cameron was fit to govern or some such and the latest piece of idiocy was with respect to that oaf Trump.
Even referenda that are controlled can throw up weird results. Years ago a new road was finished at the Cantonal border because voters decided they did not like the idea of the new road even though it had been planned for for decades.
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^ The genius doesn't realise that we know the petitions will be rejected; they raise a laugh in the HofC and put a bit of egg on people's face; whether Twunt, Trump or otherwise.
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Dec 12 2015, 05:48 PM
^ The genius doesn't realise that we know the petitions will be rejected; they raise a laugh in the HofC and put a bit of egg on people's face; whether Twunt, Trump or otherwise.
So, in a nutshell, you (we) are time wasters with nothing better to do, but I have no doubt that had the petitions had had an outcome that was favourable to the petitioners requests then you would class yourselves as saviours.

I think I will stick with the first description as you are most adept at time wasting on this forum.
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