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| Topic Started: Feb 27 2016, 07:42 PM (1,193 Views) | |
| Opinionater | Feb 27 2016, 07:42 PM Post #1 |
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Well he can't seem to put a foot wrong, even when he says the most outlandish things his support increases. Another done deal for me, say hi to the next presedent of the U.S.A |
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| ranger121 | Mar 2 2016, 09:52 AM Post #41 |
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Prediction. If Trump wins, he'll get shot pretty quickly. |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 2 2016, 11:03 AM Post #42 |
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I would be curious to know which wars those were. Do you have a list? |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 2 2016, 11:03 AM Post #43 |
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That's the American way. |
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| C-too | Mar 2 2016, 04:56 PM Post #44 |
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But only Trump is acting like an idiot. Idiotic behaviour that might not be recognised by the like minded that is.
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| marybrown | Mar 2 2016, 05:57 PM Post #45 |
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We were all laughing when he put himself up as a candidate.. Well..we ain't laughing now!! |
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| RoofGardener | Mar 2 2016, 06:54 PM Post #46 |
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I get the impression that he is.. well... not exactly an isolationist, but not really an internationalist either. I don't think he would want to get involved in 'foreign entanglements'; his focus appears to be on the USA itself. |
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| Jus | Mar 2 2016, 09:14 PM Post #47 |
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The possible election of Donald Trump to the Whitehouse may be an Indication that the USA might be becoming Irrelevant in the global scheme of things. He is a clown. I would guess that other countries that have greater economic clout will be deciding who the next President of America will be and its probably him. |
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| AndyK | Mar 2 2016, 11:36 PM Post #48 |
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I'd just like to say, I detest Trump intensely. I would very much like to punch him in the gob. Carry on ! |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 3 2016, 02:44 AM Post #49 |
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It surely doesn't lead them to a good place. I am much closer to them and the the deterioration of some parts of their country is quite palpable. Conditions just over the border in Canada are quite different from the border regions of the US. We are clearly at a very different stage in our history. |
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| RoofGardener | Mar 3 2016, 01:08 PM Post #50 |
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I think people in the UK said similar things about Ronald Reagan. However, THAT particular 'clown' brought the USSR down, and also revitalised the US economy. Apropos of nothing, it WOULD be interesting to be a fly on the wall in negotiations between Donald Trump and - say - Vladimir Putin. I think he would be MUCH tougher than Obama. |
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| Jus | Mar 3 2016, 08:41 PM Post #51 |
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Reagan was in the right place at the right time when the USSR Imploded . Saying that though he gets my "Clinton" award for being a politician that didn't do too much harm. |
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| Tigger | Mar 3 2016, 10:58 PM Post #52 |
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Apart from Reaganomics and it's spawn Thatcherism that has seen the post war dividend handed to the few at the expense of the many. Such frustrations cause things like Trump. |
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| RoofGardener | Mar 4 2016, 06:44 PM Post #53 |
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I disagree. I think he had Intel that the USSR economy was in dire trouble (something even the Politbureau may not have fully realised, due to all the 'official' production figures being fudged ). His pursuance of the "Star Wars" program forced the USSR to fatally over-extend, and hastened their downfall. That, and the support for the Mujahadeen, which created the USSR's very own 'vietnam' in the hills of Afghanistan. Does anyone not find it strange that there was SO much fuss about "Star Wars", and then it suddenly all went quiet ? Perhaps that was because it failed to produce a viable weapons system. Or perhaps it was because a viable weapons system was NEVER its real purpose in the first place. Reagan was more effective, and more subtle, than many realise, despite his sometimes buffoonish public (or at least, international) persona. (though again, the left-wing media may have been responsible for that, at least in Europe). Trump could well be another Reagan. |
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| Tigger | Mar 4 2016, 07:36 PM Post #54 |
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Reagan gets the credit but he neither planned nor directed the things you are also claiming on his behalf, the men in grey suits did the legwork along with the US intelligence agencies who were well aware the Soviet Union was on a political, social and especially financial knife edge. The only thing Reagan did was let them get on with it. |
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| Cymru | Mar 5 2016, 07:05 AM Post #55 |
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http://foreignpolicy.com/2011/06/20/everything-you-think-you-know-about-the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union-is-wrong/ The Soviet economic collapse/Reagan Doctrine narrative, whilst popular, is not supported by the known facts. |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 5 2016, 12:16 PM Post #56 |
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It's true, isn't it? Russia just got richer and richer after the end of the. Soviet Union and now we are all lined up for the privilege of trading our running dog dog currencies for Roubles. |
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| Tigger | Mar 5 2016, 09:51 PM Post #57 |
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And he is very pro gun, the potential for irony here is beyond my wildest dreams! |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 5 2016, 10:04 PM Post #58 |
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You can't win a Republican nomination without being publically pro-gun, it has become such a big part of their identity to own one. Even Democrat candidates had better not dwell on or bring up the insanity of mass firearms ownership. A majority of Americans love their guns and there is no likely way to dissuade them of if. Slaughtering whole schools worth of innocent children does not even make a dent. It is a latently and often overtly ultraviolent society that covets the seeds of its own destruction. My theory is that it is a deliberate means of making individuals feel "empowered" even though they really have no power, whatsoever. |
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| Tigger | Mar 5 2016, 10:39 PM Post #59 |
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Well if you massacre year five you are certain of instant fame and notoriety, I expect that some of these nut jobs consider that a form of power. The following displays the sheer idiocy of the American attitude to guns, from an NRA member on another forum "the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun". That is the problem right there. |
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| Rich | Mar 5 2016, 10:42 PM Post #60 |
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The American electorate get what they vote for and deserve, it is no business of ours as we are just as fickle. |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 5 2016, 10:44 PM Post #61 |
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They rolled that one out after the Sandy Hill massacre ...if the kindergarten and grade one teachers were "packing heat" there wouldn't have been a massacre. I wonder if the SWAT Squad can sort out the "good guys" from the "bad guys" during a fire fight in an elementary school. There was another massacre about a decade before that is the saddest and most disturbing one in my memory. A murderous lunatic took over a one room schoolhouse full of students in Pennsylvania, separated out the litte girls and killed all eight of them ...the girls, that is. Theses were Amish children and, as far as I know, the NRA hasn't had the brass to suggest that armed Amish Old Order Mennonites would have prevented a massacre. Edited by Curious Cdn, Mar 5 2016, 10:49 PM.
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| Cymru | Mar 9 2016, 09:39 AM Post #62 |
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Millions of ordinary Americans support Donald Trump. Here's why http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/07/donald-trump-why-americans-support The political, economic and media intelligentsia will have you believe that the Trump phenomenon is solely down to white working class racism. This article shows that the actual driving force behind Trump is trade. The free trade consensus of the political class, which is never questioned, has wrought havoc on many industrial regions in the United States, and the primarily white working class victims of this consensus have latched on to the only guy who discusses this. |
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| RoofGardener | Mar 9 2016, 10:08 AM Post #63 |
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That is a VERY interesting article, Cymru. Thanks for posting it. So, on that basis, we could see huge swathes of "working class" voters (to use a UK idiom) actually voting for Donald Trump as president ? I wonder if we could draw an analogy between this, and the electoral collapse of the Labour Party in the UK ? |
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| marybrown | Mar 13 2016, 01:58 PM Post #64 |
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I am finding it a tad strange that ''The white working classes'' would vote for Trumpy..who is a multi-billionaire.. However..he does use those magic words..''Too many immigrants and tax cuts?'' |
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| Marconi | Mar 13 2016, 08:08 PM Post #65 |
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A phone conversation between Reagan and Mrs T on the Jeremy Vine show yesterday pretty much sums up our special relationship with the US. When US forces invaded Grenada and broke international law drawing condemnation across the world and embarrassing the UK government, Reagan phoned a so-called frosty Thatcher to apologise - Ronald: ''I'm sorry for any embarrassment that we caused you, but please understand that it was just our fear of our own weakness over here with regard to secrecy.'' Maggie: ''It was very kind of you to have rung, Ron.'' Ronnie: ''Well, my pleasure.'' Maggie: ''I appreciate it. How is Nancy?'' Ronald: ''Just fine.'' Maggie: ''Good. Give her my love.'' Go Iron Lady ! |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 13 2016, 08:41 PM Post #66 |
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Well, I suppose that American frustration about free trade is a part of the Trump phenomenon, anyway.. They lash out at all of those trading partners that have out-competed them because of America's corrupt inefficiency, greed and third rate education system. |
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| Rich | Mar 13 2016, 08:51 PM Post #67 |
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It seems to me that the way that popular consensus is going in the western hemisphere reflects that even though voters do not know what lies ahead, they are sick to the back teeth of the way it is going and the way that they are ignored by arrogant politicians who just dismiss their concerns hence their willingness to take a chance with something "new". |
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| Steve K | Mar 13 2016, 08:55 PM Post #68 |
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The slightly perverse thing here is that protectionism has traditionally been a trait of the Democratic party |
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| Rich | Mar 13 2016, 09:13 PM Post #69 |
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Ahem' perhaps if you ever get the time, you might care to watch the American version of "House of cards" I think that the phrase "self preservation" covers it better than protectionism. |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 13 2016, 11:20 PM Post #70 |
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Yeah, but it hasn't worked. |
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| Rich | Mar 13 2016, 11:31 PM Post #71 |
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So, what HAS worked? |
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| Cymru | Mar 14 2016, 11:40 AM Post #72 |
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Well free trade only works for the minority who benefit from it, not the majority who lose out because of it. And it is this majority, ignored, ridiculed by the establishment, who are now backing Trump. Protectionism is coming back. |
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| marybrown | Mar 14 2016, 01:44 PM Post #73 |
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Seems to be a competition..Trump v Black America! |
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| Steve K | Mar 14 2016, 03:13 PM Post #74 |
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For those that missed it this was (one of Britain's finest) John Oliver's shredding of the total bollocks that is Donald Trump on HBO recently. I finally found a copy that works in the UKhttp://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/02/29/john-oliver-destroys-donald-trump-on-last-week-tonight_n_9346004.html It's not just the incessant lies, the dodgy funding of his campaign, his history of failed businesses, his advocation of war crimes or even his avoidance of condemning the KKK It's the unremitting 24/7 awfulness of him. But hey ho it's thick as a brick people's right the world over to buy shit from snake oil salesmen so why should we be surprised he's doing well in the Republican polls. They overwhelmingly selected George W remember |
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| RoofGardener | Mar 14 2016, 04:01 PM Post #75 |
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I'm not able to watch the video at the moment. However, I was intrigued by your comment about "dodgy funding". If this website is accurate, then Trump's campaign fund seems to be pretty modest thus far. I was also intrigued to read that part of it is self-financing. (from the sale of Clothing with Trumps logo on it, etcetera). Certainly his list of donors seems very modest. (Lots of them, but no particular 'big spenders'.). If he succeeds, he could be the first presidential candidate for some time who is NOT in the pocket of large corporations or organisations. As for failed businesses; there have certainly been a few, but there have also been a lot of successes. Could he make an effective president, and is he electable anyway ? Dunno. |
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| Steve K | Mar 14 2016, 04:17 PM Post #76 |
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Far from funding it himself as his publicists claim, it turns out it's funded by $7M of contributions (he lied that he didn't seek donations despite having a donate button on his web site) and crucially $17M in loans from his own company. Much of which he will be able to claim back if he becomes a presidential candidate or if he doesn't he will just declare his campaign insolvent and write the loans off against his businesses so he gets a tax write off. |
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| Gand | Mar 17 2016, 10:13 AM Post #77 |
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Trump has been called a fascist and compared to Hitler. Such labelling and comparison have been directed at many people, often unjustly and as such have become meaningless, simply base insults. However here is an article comparing Donald Trump to Mussolini and his brand of fascism. Although the author himself admits some reservations regarding his comparison, I think it is worth a read and it makes some interesting points, particularly with regards to Trump’s shifting attitudes on social issues and his apparent lack of any real policies. Trump’s not Hitler, he’s Mussolini. |
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| Pro Veritas | Mar 17 2016, 10:26 AM Post #78 |
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A lot of the talk has been about how good Trump is with money - that he can make a profit on investments etc. An analysis reported in the US showed that if he had stuck the money in an ordinary bank account he would have seen a significantly improved return over that achieved by his, alleged, business acumen. All The Best |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 17 2016, 10:28 AM Post #79 |
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The analogy is not that far off, this time around. Fear, hatred of others, naming scapegoats, incitement to violence are all straight from the Fascist play book. A pretty big fraction of the American people are there, as well. I don't believe that they form a majority, though. |
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| Steve K | Mar 17 2016, 11:49 AM Post #80 |
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A well argued, very thought provoking and rather disturbing read. Thanks |
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Trump on HBO recently. I finally found a copy that works in the UK
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