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Trump, The Next/Potential President; merged
Topic Started: Feb 27 2016, 07:42 PM (1,192 Views)
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Well he can't seem to put a foot wrong, even when he says the most outlandish things his support increases.

Another done deal for me, say hi to the next presedent of the U.S.A
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Mar 17 2016, 10:13 AM
Trump has been called a fascist and compared to Hitler. Such labelling and comparison have been directed at many people, often unjustly and as such have become meaningless, simply base insults.

However here is an article comparing Donald Trump to Mussolini and his brand of fascism.

Although the author himself admits some reservations regarding his comparison, I think it is worth a read and it makes some interesting points, particularly with regards to Trump’s shifting attitudes on social issues and his apparent lack of any real policies.

Trump’s not Hitler, he’s Mussolini.
Meh, most of what is described in the article can be applied to many other political figures at some point as well yet the media only feel the need to do so to Trump.

A lot of what is said is largely subjective as well, e.g. describing Trump as encouraging violence when his comments about violence have largely been a reaction to violence and disruption from protesters against his events.

There is much hyperbole too, e.g. saying Trump will ethnically cleanse 11 million illegal immigrants when in actual fact he supports upholding the law by deporting them for entering the country illegally.
Edited by Cymru, Mar 17 2016, 01:34 PM.
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Mar 17 2016, 01:18 PM

There is much hyperbole too, e.g. saying Trump will ethnically cleanse 11 million illegal immigrants when in actual fact he supports upholding the law by deporting them for entering the country illegally.
Well, isn't it obvious that requiring people entering your country to do so following the due legal process, and if they refuse to do that seeking to use the force of law to remove them, is akin to ethnic cleansing.

I'd suggest the author of that article study 1st year degree level politics; they may not have made quite such an idiot of themselves if they had.

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Mar 17 2016, 01:18 PM
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Mar 17 2016, 10:13 AM
Trump has been called a fascist and compared to Hitler. Such labelling and comparison have been directed at many people, often unjustly and as such have become meaningless, simply base insults.

However here is an article comparing Donald Trump to Mussolini and his brand of fascism.

Although the author himself admits some reservations regarding his comparison, I think it is worth a read and it makes some interesting points, particularly with regards to Trump’s shifting attitudes on social issues and his apparent lack of any real policies.

Trump’s not Hitler, he’s Mussolini.
Meh, most of what is described in the article can be applied to many other political figures at some point as well yet the media only feel the need to do so to Trump.

A lot of what is said is largely subjective as well, e.g. describing Trump as encouraging violence when his comments about violence have largely been a reaction to violence and disruption from protesters against his events.

There is much hyperbole too, e.g. saying Trump will ethnically cleanse 11 million illegal immigrants when in actual fact he supports upholding the law by deporting them for entering the country illegally.
The fact that some of what is described may be applied to other political figures doesn’t invalidate the article

As to violence, he hasn’t actively threatened or incited it, he isn’t quite that stupid, but he hasn’t condemned the violence of his supporters only those who are opposed to him, and he has suggested it could be a future consequence if he fails to get what he wants.

Washington Post - Donald Trump just threatened more violence. Only this time, it’s directed at the GOP.

The article doesn’t specifically say that Trump will ethnically cleanse anyone, it relates to the comments of one of his supporters, although it is implied that he would support such measures. Using the term "ethnic cleansing" could be seen as misleading as it is often equated with killing people when it can simply mean expulsion by force. What his supporter said was “when can we get rid of Muslims” here is a link to the event:

Man Asks Trump: ‘When Can We Get Rid’ Of All The Muslims In America? His Answer Was Horrifying.

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Mar 17 2016, 01:18 PM
Gand
Mar 17 2016, 10:13 AM
Trump has been called a fascist and compared to Hitler. Such labelling and comparison have been directed at many people, often unjustly and as such have become meaningless, simply base insults.

However here is an article comparing Donald Trump to Mussolini and his brand of fascism.

Although the author himself admits some reservations regarding his comparison, I think it is worth a read and it makes some interesting points, particularly with regards to Trump’s shifting attitudes on social issues and his apparent lack of any real policies.

Trump’s not Hitler, he’s Mussolini.
Meh, most of what is described in the article can be applied to many other political figures at some point as well yet the media only feel the need to do so to Trump.

A lot of what is said is largely subjective as well, e.g. describing Trump as encouraging violence when his comments about violence have largely been a reaction to violence and disruption from protesters against his events.

There is much hyperbole too, e.g. saying Trump will ethnically cleanse 11 million illegal immigrants when in actual fact he supports upholding the law by deporting them for entering the country illegally.
Nope he also says he will deport their children who having been born in the USA do have right of citizenship

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/16/politics/donald-trump-immigration-plans/

He's a nasty bigot and right now the bigot with a chance of taking control of the most powerful ared forces in the world
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Mar 17 2016, 09:16 PM
Nope he also says he will deport their children who having been born in the USA do have right of citizenship
OK.

So sample scenario.

An illegal immigrant illegally enters a country (Utopia) and gives birth.

The child is therefore granted Utopian citizenship.
The parents can then claim a right to family life to obtain a right to remain in Utopia that they are not, otherwise, legally entitled to.
They have, in effect, profited from their wilful illegal activity.

Not something we should be encouraging or facilitating in my opinion.

A mechanism needs to put in place so that children born to illegal immigrants retain the citizenship of their parents, not their birth country.

Is it fair the criminal can obtain citizenship by the backdoor as a reward for their criminal activity, when people who play by the rules and do as they should can be refused citizenship on various grounds?

I don't think it is.

I think illegal immigrants are cynically exploiting this loophole and putting the lives of pregnant women, and unborn children at risk to do so.

We should do whatever is necessary to disincentivise this behaviour - and if that means denying the children of illegals the right of citizenship in their birth country then so be it.

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Here is a fun one that broke, today. Someone out there is doing their homework, that's for sure.

Anyway Donald Trump's grandfather Frederick (once "Drumpf") got his investment nest egg going by running a brothel in a place called Carcross in the Yukon.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/trump-canada-yukon-1.3235254

Carcross in on the Alaska highway and it's waaaay out there. I've actually been there and I would say that Carcross could really use a brothel.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcross
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Apr 5 2016, 10:23 PM
Here is a fun one that broke, today. Someone out there is doing their homework, that's for sure.

Anyway Donald Trump's grandfather Frederick (once "Drumpf") got his investment nest egg going by running a brothel in a place called Carcross in the Yukon.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/trump-canada-yukon-1.3235254

Carcross in on the Alaska highway and it's waaaay out there. I've actually been there and I would say that Carcross could really use a brothel.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcross
I think it would be fair to say that Trump could not Fuck America any more than any other president has done, after all, the oval room has been used for many more things than making decisions.....no, no, not now Monica. ;-)
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Mar 17 2016, 09:27 PM
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Mar 17 2016, 09:16 PM
Nope he also says he will deport their children who having been born in the USA do have right of citizenship
OK.

So sample scenario.

An illegal immigrant illegally enters a country (Utopia) and gives birth.

The child is therefore granted Utopian citizenship.
The parents can then claim a right to family life to obtain a right to remain in Utopia that they are not, otherwise, legally entitled to.
They have, in effect, profited from their wilful illegal activity.

Not something we should be encouraging or facilitating in my opinion.

A mechanism needs to put in place so that children born to illegal immigrants retain the citizenship of their parents, not their birth country.

Is it fair the criminal can obtain citizenship by the backdoor as a reward for their criminal activity, when people who play by the rules and do as they should can be refused citizenship on various grounds?

I don't think it is.

I think illegal immigrants are cynically exploiting this loophole and putting the lives of pregnant women, and unborn children at risk to do so.

We should do whatever is necessary to disincentivise this behaviour - and if that means denying the children of illegals the right of citizenship in their birth country then so be it.

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well, until ted heath's immigration act, for utopia, read britain.
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Anyway, according to the news this afternoon, it's going to be fun

It seems Trump can no longer depend on having the majority of republican triumphs he needs to assure himself of the prsidential nomination, and his nearest rival doesnt have a cat in hells either

SO it looks like cleveland, ohio is set to be the bear pit for the sort of cockfight that has not been seen since 1952, with "negotiations" that will make the cuban missile crisis look a boy scouts tea party.
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Trump has the nomination in the bag. When that's official we will see the party line up behind him.

Then it's game on.
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Cruz has withdrawn from the race.
Edited by Cymru, May 4 2016, 04:03 AM.
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There is now a real possibility of Donald Trump becoming president of the United States of America. ,
David Cameron is being asked to apologise about derogatory remarks he has made about Trump, and of course in Scotland he has met negative responses to his plans . There have been many negative comments about him in the press, and on Television

On this board there have been remarks about him that have been less than flattering. How many more people will be asked and expected to eat their words, and is it ever wise to make potential enemies? One is entitled to argue the cases and the politics but why attack the person in opposition to oneself.
I take the view that it is always wiser to make friends than enemies, for we never know when we will need our enemies to be our friends in need, or when our enemies will do us harm, and that it is always wiser not to shout your mouth off before events resolve themselves.
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Watching Cameron grovel will be interesting.
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May 4 2016, 09:55 AM
There is now a real possibility of Donald Trump becoming president of the United States of America. ,
David Cameron is being asked to apologise about derogatory remarks he has made about Trump, and of course in Scotland he has met negative responses to his plans . There have been many negative comments about him in the press, and on Television

On this board there have been remarks about him that have been less than flattering. How many more people will be asked and expected to eat their words, and is it ever wise to make potential enemies? One is entitled to argue the cases and the politics but why attack the person in opposition to oneself.
I take the view that it is always wiser to make friends than enemies, for we never know when we will need our enemies to be our friends in need, or when our enemies will do us harm, and that it is always wiser not to shout your mouth off before events resolve themselves.
:) Trump is a nonsense man who will never become the president of the United States. I say that even though I know abnormal times can produce abnormal results.

By all means suck-up to bad people if that is what you wish to do, but I didn't do it for Thatcher and I certainly won't be doing it for Trump.
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May 4 2016, 09:55 AM
There is now a real possibility of Donald Trump becoming president of the United States of America. ,
David Cameron is being asked to apologise about derogatory remarks he has made about Trump, and of course in Scotland he has met negative responses to his plans . There have been many negative comments about him in the press, and on Television

On this board there have been remarks about him that have been less than flattering. How many more people will be asked and expected to eat their words, and is it ever wise to make potential enemies? One is entitled to argue the cases and the politics but why attack the person in opposition to oneself.
I take the view that it is always wiser to make friends than enemies, for we never know when we will need our enemies to be our friends in need, or when our enemies will do us harm, and that it is always wiser not to shout your mouth off before events resolve themselves.
:) Trump is a nonsense man who will never become the president of the United States. I say that even though I know abnormal times can produce abnormal results.

By all means suck-up to bad people if that is what you wish to do, but I didn't do it for Thatcher and I certainly won't be doing it for Trump.
Never say never.. You don't know what the American public will decide. Wishing something to be does not make it so.
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As Trump now seems the odds-on republican candidate, they might as well go home and forget it, for they have given the Presidency to Hillary, and truth be told, there's not much to choose between the two of them. And while I know I shouldn't, I couldn't avoid a smile at a couple of the Trump badges on offer; although he denies they have anything to do with him.

One reads..."KFC Hilary special....two fat thighs, two small breasts, left wing". The other..."Life's a bitch. Don't vote for one".

American presidential campaigns seem to set new standards in ad homs every time they come round; while here, we send a member out for using the word "dodgy". I don't think that Cameron has anything to apologise about.
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May 4 2016, 04:03 AM
Cruz has withdrawn from the race.
Game on. Now we will see the party get behind him and let's see how he's takes on the Democrats. Still to play his trump card, I think he has a good chance of winning.

Edited by Opinionater, May 4 2016, 02:14 PM.
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Watching Cameron grovel will be interesting.
Oh no..does that mean we won't have ''a special relationship'' any more??
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Trump v Clinton what a choice the American people are faced with.

I think it will get personal and Trump will come out on top.

I know they are looking for change, well hope they don't regret what they wish for.

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May 4 2016, 10:00 AM
Watching Cameron grovel will be interesting.
Oh no..does that mean we won't have ''a special relationship'' any more??
Cant say I know too much about either of the candidates but for us it seems to be a matter of right wing or left and opinions are based on those lines.
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May 4 2016, 09:55 AM
There is now a real possibility of Donald Trump becoming president of the United States of America. ,
David Cameron is being asked to apologise about derogatory remarks he has made about Trump, and of course in Scotland he has met negative responses to his plans . There have been many negative comments about him in the press, and on Television

On this board there have been remarks about him that have been less than flattering. How many more people will be asked and expected to eat their words, and is it ever wise to make potential enemies? One is entitled to argue the cases and the politics but why attack the person in opposition to oneself.
I take the view that it is always wiser to make friends than enemies, for we never know when we will need our enemies to be our friends in need, or when our enemies will do us harm, and that it is always wiser not to shout your mouth off before events resolve themselves.
:) Trump is a nonsense man who will never become the president of the United States. I say that even though I know abnormal times can produce abnormal results.

By all means suck-up to bad people if that is what you wish to do, but I didn't do it for Thatcher and I certainly won't be doing it for Trump.
Never say never.. You don't know what the American public will decide. Wishing something to be does not make it so.
I did say that "abnormal times can produce abnormal results" so I won't be undermined by an abnormal result if that were to happen. It seems obvious to me that the man is just another example of right-wing crap crawling out of the wood work during abnormal times. I don't think much of those who appear to be quick to defend the likes of him.
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Never say never.. You don't know what the American public will decide. Wishing something to be does not make it so.
I did say that "abnormal times can produce abnormal results" so I won't be undermined by an abnormal result if that were to happen. It seems obvious to me that the man is just another example of right-wing crap crawling out of the wood work during abnormal times. I don't think much of those who appear to be quick to defend the likes of him.
So its not about the merits or otherwise of the candidates, ,its left wing right wing confrontation, and taking of sides.
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I did say that "abnormal times can produce abnormal results" so I won't be undermined by an abnormal result if that were to happen. It seems obvious to me that the man is just another example of right-wing crap crawling out of the wood work during abnormal times. I don't think much of those who appear to be quick to defend the likes of him.
So its not about the merits or otherwise of the candidates, ,its left wing right wing confrontation, and taking of sides.
NO, it is exactly about the so called "merits" of this extremist. I don't expect you to understand that as it appears that in your case he is preaching to the already converted.
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IF Trump should get to be President he would be soon forced to face the everyday realities of that office, including a certain amount of diplomatic zipping up on what he currently says and does.
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With Trump as a president, I guess it could help the world unite after all.

I'm just afraid of potential disasters for some countries around there. There have been enough mass deaths in the previous wars led by the US (and UK as an enabler).
One of such wars was a NATO reaction and one was following a second UN threat of invasion. Just clarifying. :)
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepabnormal result if that were to happen. It seems obvious to me that the man is just another example of right-wing crap crawling out of the wood work during abnormal times. I don't think much of those who appear to be quick to defend the likes of him.
So its not about the merits or otherwise of the candidates, ,its left wing right wing confrontation, and taking of sides.
NO, it is exactly about the so called "merits" of this extremist. I don't expect you to understand that as it appears that in your case he is preaching to the already converted.
The interesting thing, though is that he thinks and acts in a manner that appeals to the average American greatly. What he blurts out is what they really believe, no matter how outrageous it may be.
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Hilary hallery under the gallery, ten drawing four.

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IF Trump should get to be President he would be soon forced to face the everyday realities of that office, including a certain amount of diplomatic zipping up on what he currently says and does.
Fully agree..

But the man is a multi-millionaire. He's not a politician.

Being the President would be a completely new game for him, and I suspect he would be "totally out of his depth" in that position.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepabnormal result
NO, it is exactly about the so called "merits" of this extremist. I don't expect you to understand that as it appears that in your case he is preaching to the already converted.
The interesting thing, though is that he thinks and acts in a manner that appeals to the average American greatly. What he blurts out is what they really believe, no matter how outrageous it may be.
I think they have some sympathy for what he says, but electing him to lead the country, I doubt that very much. Time will tell.
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Seems even Trump thinks his big pronouncements were wrong as he somewhat retracts his we will ban all muslims call

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36272236


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Never thought I would say this; "if I were American I would vote Clinton" as Trumpy is very scary. I wonder who his script writers are?
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RJD - I think the problem at present is that he does much of his own script writing. Perhaps he wishes make Dubya Bush look good, as well as Mrs Clinton!
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Clinton Trump. Polls.

Tens of thousands have been polled over the past three months. The results are not good for Trump

See link... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/with-less-than-6-months-until-election-trump-trails-clinton-by-6-points-in-polls-a7028301.html

Can't say that Clinton is much better than Trump. But at least Clinton doesn't sprout as much BS as Trump, and has done less U turns.
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Clinton Trump. Polls.

Tens of thousands have been polled over the past three months. The results are not good for Trump

See link... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/with-less-than-6-months-until-election-trump-trails-clinton-by-6-points-in-polls-a7028301.html

Can't say that Clinton is much better than Trump. But at least Clinton doesn't sprout as much BS as Trump, and has done less U turns.
Often the test of a president is the calibre of the people they can get on their team. Reagan did very well at that. I can't see Trump doing likewise but Hillary has a huge cache of intellectual and experienced support available.
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Clinton Trump. Polls.

Tens of thousands have been polled over the past three months. The results are not good for Trump

See link... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/with-less-than-6-months-until-election-trump-trails-clinton-by-6-points-in-polls-a7028301.html

Can't say that Clinton is much better than Trump. But at least Clinton doesn't sprout as much BS as Trump, and has done less U turns.
Often the test of a president is the calibre of the people they can get on their team. Reagan did very well at that. I can't see Trump doing likewise but Hillary has a huge cache of intellectual and experienced support available.
I'm not sure if Reagan attracted a "team" , so much. It was more like a team of handlers, doing the Republican party's bidding. Reagan was a nice old guffer but he was also an intellectual "lite-wate" (That's the American spelling). At least, he didn't say "nucular" like Duya used to.
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There is now a real possibility of Donald Trump becoming president of the United States of America. ,
David Cameron is being asked to apologise about derogatory remarks he has made about Trump, and of course in Scotland he has met negative responses to his plans . There have been many negative comments about him in the press, and on Television

On this board there have been remarks about him that have been less than flattering. How many more people will be asked and expected to eat their words, and is it ever wise to make potential enemies? One is entitled to argue the cases and the politics but why attack the person in opposition to oneself.
I take the view that it is always wiser to make friends than enemies, for we never know when we will need our enemies to be our friends in need, or when our enemies will do us harm, and that it is always wiser not to shout your mouth off before events resolve themselves.
:) Trump is a nonsense man who will never become the president of the United States. I say that even though I know abnormal times can produce abnormal results.

By all means suck-up to bad people if that is what you wish to do, but I didn't do it for Thatcher and I certainly won't be doing it for Trump.
Do you think he really cares ?
Or for that matter his millions of american supporters ?
If he is who they choose,so be it. I hope he does it.
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Trump is anti politician. If he doesn't turn into Adolf Hitler , which he might , it's refreshing to hear him speak.
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May 4 2016, 09:55 AM
There is now a real possibility of Donald Trump becoming president of the United States of America. ,
David Cameron is being asked to apologise about derogatory remarks he has made about Trump, and of course in Scotland he has met negative responses to his plans . There have been many negative comments about him in the press, and on Television

On this board there have been remarks about him that have been less than flattering. How many more people will be asked and expected to eat their words, and is it ever wise to make potential enemies? One is entitled to argue the cases and the politics but why attack the person in opposition to oneself.
I take the view that it is always wiser to make friends than enemies, for we never know when we will need our enemies to be our friends in need, or when our enemies will do us harm, and that it is always wiser not to shout your mouth off before events resolve themselves.
:) Trump is a nonsense man who will never become the president of the United States. I say that even though I know abnormal times can produce abnormal results.

By all means suck-up to bad people if that is what you wish to do, but I didn't do it for Thatcher and I certainly won't be doing it for Trump.
Do you think he really cares ?
Or for that matter his millions of american supporters ?
If he is who they choose,so be it. I hope he does it.
Same as that, if the US electorate have had enough of PC politicians/do gooders, then they only have one other alternative and they may well take that option as a protest vote to future post Trump potential leaders to LISTEN to popular consensus.
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Trump is almost certainly unelectable. His cameo performance should resonate in American politics for a while though.
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Steve K
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I see another Trump idiocy where his wife Melania re-uses Michelle Obama's speech

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36832095

 ::) and Trump described his wife's speech as "absolutely incredible". Well you got that right Donald !jk!
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