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Topic Started: Sep 10 2016, 06:30 AM (227 Views)
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Well I never ,good old Canada seemingly a lovely country ,friendly people ,beautifull wide open spaces,only guilty of clubbing a few hundred thousand baby seals to death every year ( well nobodies perfect eh ).

But hold on,watched a rather disturbing documentary a week or so ago and oh dear,it appears its treatment of First Nation Indians is truly appalling

'Sue Caribou contracts pneumonia once a year, like clockwork. The recurring illness stems from her childhood years at one of Canada’s horrific residential schools. “I was thrown into a cold shower every night, sometimes after being raped”, the frail 50-year-old indigenous mother of six said, matter-of-factly.

Caribou was snatched from her parents’ house in 1972 by the state-funded, church-run Indian Residential School system that brutally attempted to assimilate native children for over a century. She was only seven years old. “We had to stand like soldiers while singing the national anthem, otherwise, we would be beaten up”, she recalled.

Caribou said Catholic missionaries physically and sexually abused her until 1979 at the Guy Hill institution, in the east of the province of Manitoba. She said she was called a “dog”, was forced to eat rotten vegetables and was forbidden to speak her native language of Cree.'
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Looks more like the Catholic church's shame to me

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Sep 10 2016, 08:18 AM
Looks more like the Catholic church's shame to me



Oh there's much more to it than just this aspect ,b ut even if it was church led,are we to believe the state was powerless to stop this? Indded it must have endorsed it.
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Sep 10 2016, 08:28 AM
Steve K
Sep 10 2016, 08:18 AM
Looks more like the Catholic church's shame to me



Oh there's much more to it than just this aspect ,b ut even if it was church led,are we to believe the state was powerless to stop this? Indded it must have endorsed it.
You do know about the serial abuse by Catholic priests in the USA and UK etc etc don't you. Are you going to blame those on Canada too or maybe look for the common factor.

BTW it's worth googling Sue Caribou, interesting stories
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Sep 10 2016, 08:32 AM
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Sep 10 2016, 08:28 AM
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Sep 10 2016, 08:18 AM
Looks more like the Catholic church's shame to me



Oh there's much more to it than just this aspect ,b ut even if it was church led,are we to believe the state was powerless to stop this? Indded it must have endorsed it.
You do know about the serial abuse by Catholic priests in the USA and UK etc etc don't you. Are you going to blame those on Canada too or maybe look for the common factor.

BTW it's worth googling Sue Caribou, interesting stories


I'm talking about abuse in Canada,not the US,UK or anywhere else ;and as I said its not just about the Catholic church.Suicide rates in first Nation are through the roof.
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It wasn't just the Catholics. The Presbyterians and Anglicans also ran residential schools. The Presbyterians admitted their mistakes and paid millions of dollars in restitution years ago. They were the first and they did so without arguement. The Anglicans followed a few years later after much internal debate and soul searching. I personally know the woman who led that movement within the church. I sing in a Baroque choir with her. She is an highly educated Antthropologist and she would be te first to admit that, however many millions are paid out, it is only a bandaid. The Catholic church, by far the biggest offender, has yet to admit any error, to appologise in any way, to offer any compensation or even any assistance to the victims. It is quite shameful and rather typical of them, I might add. Anyway, the damage to Native culture in general and thousands of individuals is substantial and lasting and it will take gereations to put things right, again.

Lest you isolate this as something "Canadian" I will remind you that it was a British Empire-wide phenomenon. Similar things happened in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Rhodesia when an Imperial zest for civilizing savages convinced them all that their nativeness needs to be taught out of them or otherwise beat out if them . The Empire had a responsibility to make good, god-fearing British citizens out of them forvtheir own good. ( I will also remind you that the Bernardo Boys in England were treated just about the same way but we have conveniently forgotten about them.)

Anyway, Canadian problem? Yes ...and Canada is gradually fixing it (if it is even fixable). British problem? Most definitely Yes, as well but they have long since left the scene of the crime and now just point fingers.
Edited by Curious Cdn, Sep 10 2016, 12:35 PM.
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Sep 10 2016, 12:13 PM
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Sep 10 2016, 08:32 AM
Stonefish
Sep 10 2016, 08:28 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
You do know about the serial abuse by Catholic priests in the USA and UK etc etc don't you. Are you going to blame those on Canada too or maybe look for the common factor.

BTW it's worth googling Sue Caribou, interesting stories


I'm talking about abuse in Canada,not the US,UK or anywhere else ;and as I said its not just about the Catholic church.Suicide rates in first Nation are through the roof.
And you think you're fooling me as to why you've chosen to resurrect a 15 MONTH OLD STORY at this moment presenting it as current news?

Think again
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It will be an on-,going news story for tye next few generations.

Anyway, gotta go. I have to wipe up an oil spilll with a baby seal.
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Sep 10 2016, 01:23 PM
It will be an on-,going news story for tye next few generations.

Anyway, gotta go. I have to wipe up an oil spilll with a baby seal.
;D

Oh I think someone has a stock of old stories about Canada he'll resurrect as supposed "I only just saw this last week" every time he has a disagreement with you.
Stonefish
Sep 10 2016, 06:30 AM
. .But hold on,watched a rather disturbing documentary a week or so ago and oh dear,it appears its treatment of First Nation Indians is truly appalling . .

So appalled he waited a whole 'week or so' before posting it up.

And he thinks he's fooled anyone  ::)


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Sep 10 2016, 12:33 PM
It wasn't just the Catholics. The Presbyterians and Anglicans also ran residential schools. The Presbyterians admitted their mistakes and paid millions of dollars in restitution years ago. They were the first and they did so without arguement. The Anglicans followed a few years later after much internal debate and soul searching. I personally know the woman who led that movement within the church. I sing in a Baroque choir with her. She is an highly educated Antthropologist and she would be te first to admit that, however many millions are paid out, it is only a bandaid. The Catholic church, by far the biggest offender, has yet to admit any error, to appologise in any way, to offer any compensation or even any assistance to the victims. It is quite shameful and rather typical of them, I might add. Anyway, the damage to Native culture in general and thousands of individuals is substantial and lasting and it will take gereations to put things right, again.

Lest you isolate this as something "Canadian" I will remind you that it was a British Empire-wide phenomenon. Similar things happened in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Rhodesia when an Imperial zest for civilizing savages convinced them all that their nativeness needs to be taught out of them or otherwise beat out if them . The Empire had a responsibility to make good, god-fearing British citizens out of them forvtheir own good. ( I will also remind you that the Bernardo Boys in England were treated just about the same way but we have conveniently forgotten about them.)

Anyway, Canadian problem? Yes ...and Canada is gradually fixing it (if it is even fixable). British problem? Most definitely Yes, as well but they have long since left the scene of the crime and now just point fingers.


In Canada, the Indian (Aboriginal) residential schools were a network of "residential" (boarding) schools for Indigenous Canadians (First Nations or "Indians"; Métis and Inuit). The network was funded by the Canadian government's Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development, and administered by Christian churches.

The policy was to remove children from the influence of their families and culture, and assimilate them into the dominant Canadian culture. Over the course of the system's existence, about 30% of native children, or roughly 150,000, were placed in residential schools nationally; at least 6,000 of these students died while in attendance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system

May I remind you that Ms Caribou was snatched from her parents in 1972...long after those nasty Brits left. So the Canucks must have thought it was a pretty good idea. So maybe you lot need a finger.
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Sep 10 2016, 04:47 PM
. . .May I remind you that Ms Caribou was snatched from her parents in 1972...long after those nasty Brits left. So the Canucks must have thought it was a pretty good idea. So maybe you lot need a finger.
You can try but it likely isn't true

She went away to residential school but still saw her parents which is why in other articles she talks of coming home from school to find both of them murdered

I did suggest it's worth googling Sue Caribou. She spent a lot of 2015 talking to media about how society was to blame that her nieces had been charged with murder. She seemingly turned over a new leaf in 2016 apologising to the victims


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Sep 10 2016, 01:23 PM
It will be an on-,going news story for tye next few generations.

Anyway, gotta go. I have to wipe up an oil spilll with a baby seal.
Take the pick out of it's head first, you'll damage the door frame otherwise.

Did you know the spaghetti harvest is in now in full swing here in England?

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It will be an on-,going news story for tye next few generations.

Anyway, gotta go. I have to wipe up an oil spilll with a baby seal.
Take the pick out of it's head first, you'll damage the door frame otherwise.

Did you know the spaghetti harvest is in now in full swing here in England?

And here, I thought that it was too cold, damp and northerly in England ti grow spaghetti.
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Sep 10 2016, 05:21 PM
gansao
Sep 10 2016, 04:47 PM
. . .May I remind you that Ms Caribou was snatched from her parents in 1972...long after those nasty Brits left. So the Canucks must have thought it was a pretty good idea. So maybe you lot need a finger.
You can try but it likely isn't true

She went away to residential school but still saw her parents which is why in other articles she talks of coming home from school to find both of them murdered

I did suggest it's worth googling Sue Caribou. She spent a lot of 2015 talking to media about how society was to blame that her nieces had been charged with murder. She seemingly turned over a new leaf in 2016 apologising to the victims



So maybe she made some of it up. Nevertheless her adventures began long after the Brits left ...which was the point I made..but you knew that didnt you?
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Sep 11 2016, 08:13 PM
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Sep 10 2016, 05:21 PM
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Sep 10 2016, 04:47 PM
. . .May I remind you that Ms Caribou was snatched from her parents in 1972...long after those nasty Brits left. So the Canucks must have thought it was a pretty good idea. So maybe you lot need a finger.
You can try but it likely isn't true

She went away to residential school but still saw her parents which is why in other articles she talks of coming home from school to find both of them murdered

I did suggest it's worth googling Sue Caribou. She spent a lot of 2015 talking to media about how society was to blame that her nieces had been charged with murder. She seemingly turned over a new leaf in 2016 apologising to the victims



So maybe she made some of it up. Nevertheless her adventures began long after the Brits left ...which was the point I made..but you knew that didnt you?
I suspect the Grauniad made up that wrenched from her parents grasping arms baloney

You do know what this thread was really about don't you
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepshe talks of coming home from school to find both of them murdered

I did suggest it's worth googling Sue Caribou. She spent a lot of 2015 talking to media about how society was to blame that her nieces had been charged with murder. She seemingly turned over a new leaf in 2016 apologising to the victims



So maybe she made some of it up. Nevertheless her adventures began long after the Brits left ...which was the point I made..but you knew that didnt you?
I suspect the Grauniad made up that wrenched from her parents grasping arms baloney

You do know what this thread was really about don't you

Why didnt you read the OP?
You obviously didnt read the post that I replied to. Thats why you didnt understand my reply. I overestimated you. sorry I will try not to let it happen again.
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Sep 11 2016, 08:37 PM
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Sep 11 2016, 08:13 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepshe talks of coming home from school to find both of them murdered

I did suggest it's worth googling Sue Caribou. She spent a lot of 2015 talking to media about how society was to blame that her nieces had been charged with murder. She seemingly turned over a new leaf in 2016 apologising to the victims
I suspect the Grauniad made up that wrenched from her parents grasping arms baloney

You do know what this thread was really about don't you

Why didnt you read the OP?
You obviously didnt read the post that I replied to. Thats why you didnt understand my reply. I overestimated you. sorry I will try not to let it happen again.
Oh dear gansao is getting petulant ^

Of course I read the OP, did you read the posts that provoked the OP?

Or maybe you believe that someone can watch a 15 month old documentary a "week or so ago" and be so instantly outraged they do nothing for "week or so" while happily posting on all sorts of other topics

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Sep 10 2016, 12:33 PM
It wasn't just the Catholics. The Presbyterians and Anglicans also ran residential schools. The Presbyterians admitted their mistakes and paid millions of dollars in restitution years ago. They were the first and they did so without arguement. The Anglicans followed a few years later after much internal debate and soul searching. I personally know the woman who led that movement within the church. I sing in a Baroque choir with her. She is an highly educated Antthropologist and she would be te first to admit that, however many millions are paid out, it is only a bandaid. The Catholic church, by far the biggest offender, has yet to admit any error, to appologise in any way, to offer any compensation or even any assistance to the victims. It is quite shameful and rather typical of them, I might add. Anyway, the damage to Native culture in general and thousands of individuals is substantial and lasting and it will take gereations to put things right, again.

Lest you isolate this as something "Canadian" I will remind you that it was a British Empire-wide phenomenon. Similar things happened in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Rhodesia when an Imperial zest for civilizing savages convinced them all that their nativeness needs to be taught out of them or otherwise beat out if them . The Empire had a responsibility to make good, god-fearing British citizens out of them forvtheir own good. ( I will also remind you that the Bernardo Boys in England were treated just about the same way but we have conveniently forgotten about them.)

Anyway, Canadian problem? Yes ...and Canada is gradually fixing it (if it is even fixable). British problem? Most definitely Yes, as well but they have long since left the scene of the crime and now just point fingers.


Canadian shame end of mate. And your not f--g fixing it.
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Steve K
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepshe talks of coming home from school to find both of them murdered

I did suggest it's worth googling Sue Caribou. She spent a lot of 2015 talking to media about how society was to blame that her nieces had been charged with murder. She seemingly turned over a new leaf in 2016 apologising to the victims

Why didnt you read the OP?
You obviously didnt read the post that I replied to. Thats why you didnt understand my reply. I overestimated you. sorry I will try not to let it happen again.
Oh dear gansao is getting petulant ^

Of course I read the OP, did you read the posts that provoked the OP?

Or maybe you believe that someone can watch a 15 month old documentary a "week or so ago" and be so instantly outraged they do nothing for "week or so" while happily posting on all sorts of other topics



Stick to the subject pal ,you may not give a shit about massive suicide rates amongst First Nation,some of us do.

Suicide
The loss of human life through suicide is a tragic reality in First Nations and Inuit communities. These two communities experience a much higher suicide rate than the Canadian population as a whole.

Suicide rates among Inuit are shockingly high at six to 11 times the Canadian average. In Nunavut in particular, 27% of all deaths since 1999 have been suicides. This is one of the highest suicide rates in the world, and it continues to rise, especially among youth.

For the First Nations population, suicide rates are twice the national average and show no signs of decreasing. However, these rates differ from community to community. Some communities have had “epidemics” of suicide, while others have had few or no suicides for several years.

Edited by Stonefish, Sep 12 2016, 07:15 AM.
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Steve K
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepshe talks of coming home from school to find both of them murdered

I did suggest it's worth googling Sue Caribou. She spent a lot of 2015 talking to media about how society was to blame that her nieces had been charged with murder. She seemingly turned over a new leaf in 2016 apologising to the victims

Why didnt you read the OP?
You obviously didnt read the post that I replied to. Thats why you didnt understand my reply. I overestimated you. sorry I will try not to let it happen again.
Oh dear gansao is getting petulant ^

Of course I read the OP, did you read the posts that provoked the OP?

Or maybe you believe that someone can watch a 15 month old documentary a "week or so ago" and be so instantly outraged they do nothing for "week or so" while happily posting on all sorts of other topics



Why would other posts provoke this one ?
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Sep 12 2016, 09:49 AM
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Sep 11 2016, 08:37 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepshe talks of coming home from school to find both of them murdered

I did suggest it's worth googling Sue Caribou. She spent a lot of 2015 talking to media about how society was to blame that her nieces had been charged with murder. She seemingly turned over a new leaf in 2016 apologising to the victims
Oh dear gansao is getting petulant ^

Of course I read the OP, did you read the posts that provoked the OP?

Or maybe you believe that someone can watch a 15 month old documentary a "week or so ago" and be so instantly outraged they do nothing for "week or so" while happily posting on all sorts of other topics



Why would other posts provoke this one ?
Why would you wait "a week or so" before posting about something that enraged you?
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Sep 10 2016, 12:33 PM
It wasn't just the Catholics. The Presbyterians and Anglicans also ran residential schools. The Presbyterians admitted their mistakes and paid millions of dollars in restitution years ago. They were the first and they did so without arguement. The Anglicans followed a few years later after much internal debate and soul searching. I personally know the woman who led that movement within the church. I sing in a Baroque choir with her. She is an highly educated Antthropologist and she would be te first to admit that, however many millions are paid out, it is only a bandaid. The Catholic church, by far the biggest offender, has yet to admit any error, to appologise in any way, to offer any compensation or even any assistance to the victims. It is quite shameful and rather typical of them, I might add. Anyway, the damage to Native culture in general and thousands of individuals is substantial and lasting and it will take gereations to put things right, again.

Lest you isolate this as something "Canadian" I will remind you that it was a British Empire-wide phenomenon. Similar things happened in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Rhodesia when an Imperial zest for civilizing savages convinced them all that their nativeness needs to be taught out of them or otherwise beat out if them . The Empire had a responsibility to make good, god-fearing British citizens out of them forvtheir own good. ( I will also remind you that the Bernardo Boys in England were treated just about the same way but we have conveniently forgotten about them.)

Anyway, Canadian problem? Yes ...and Canada is gradually fixing it (if it is even fixable). British problem? Most definitely Yes, as well but they have long since left the scene of the crime and now just point fingers.


Canadian shame end of mate. And your not f--g fixing it.
We could fill an encyclipedia with "shames" genetrated in your part of the world. Glass houses ...
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Sep 12 2016, 10:14 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepshe talks of coming home from school to find both of them murdered

I did suggest it's worth googling Sue Caribou. She spent a lot of 2015 talking to media about how society was to blame that her nieces had been charged with murder. She seemingly turned over a new leaf in 2016 apologising to the victims"week or so ago" and be so instantly outraged they do nothing for "week or so" while happily posting on all sorts of other topics



Why would other posts provoke this one ?
Why would you wait "a week or so" before posting about something that enraged you?


where did I say I was 'enraged '.?
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Sep 10 2016, 12:33 PM
It wasn't just the Catholics. The Presbyterians and Anglicans also ran residential schools. The Presbyterians admitted their mistakes and paid millions of dollars in restitution years ago. They were the first and they did so without arguement. The Anglicans followed a few years later after much internal debate and soul searching. I personally know the woman who led that movement within the church. I sing in a Baroque choir with her. She is an highly educated Antthropologist and she would be te first to admit that, however many millions are paid out, it is only a bandaid. The Catholic church, by far the biggest offender, has yet to admit any error, to appologise in any way, to offer any compensation or even any assistance to the victims. It is quite shameful and rather typical of them, I might add. Anyway, the damage to Native culture in general and thousands of individuals is substantial and lasting and it will take gereations to put things right, again.

Lest you isolate this as something "Canadian" I will remind you that it was a British Empire-wide phenomenon. Similar things happened in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Rhodesia when an Imperial zest for civilizing savages convinced them all that their nativeness needs to be taught out of them or otherwise beat out if them . The Empire had a responsibility to make good, god-fearing British citizens out of them forvtheir own good. ( I will also remind you that the Bernardo Boys in England were treated just about the same way but we have conveniently forgotten about them.)

Anyway, Canadian problem? Yes ...and Canada is gradually fixing it (if it is even fixable). British problem? Most definitely Yes, as well but they have long since left the scene of the crime and now just point fingers.


Canadian shame end of mate. And your not f--g fixing it.
We could fill an encyclipedia with "shames" genetrated in your part of the world. Glass houses ...


But were talking about yours ,very current and really f--g shamefull frankly.
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!mod-s! right that's it thread closed

Members must not use dug up stories for barely disguised attacks on other members
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