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Is Hillary finished?
Topic Started: Sep 11 2016, 06:35 PM (1,060 Views)
Cymru
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Things aren't looking good for Hillary.

We have had the Benghazi scandal, the hidden e-mail scandal, the hacking which exposed the dirty tricks the Hillary-supporting Democratic Party bigwigs used against Bernie to help win her the nomination, the persistent Clinton Foundation liability, bad poll numbers against Trump, widespread perception amongst voters that she is part of the system they detest and is not trustworthy, Trump beating her recently in the debates, forced to apologise for derogatory remarks she made about Trump supporters, Benghazi victims' families suing her, the coughing fits, the black doctor constantly at her side during public appearances with an epipen-like device at the ready in his hand, and now her recent collapse at the 9/11 memorial which has put her long-rumoured ill-health back in the headlines.
Edited by Cymru, Sep 11 2016, 07:11 PM.
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According to various economics and finance website the US election is already a done-deal: Clinton will wipe the board with trump's dodgy hairpiece and then slap him with it.

Outside of tea-party activists and the elements of the blogosphere that support them there really is no credible consensus for a Trump victory.

In fact the markets are already positioning for that Clinton victory.

All The Best

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Sep 11 2016, 07:04 PM
According to various economics and finance website the US election is already a done-deal: Clinton will wipe the board with trump's dodgy hairpiece and then slap him with it.

Outside of tea-party activists and the elements of the blogosphere that support them there really is no credible consensus for a Trump victory.

In fact the markets are already positioning for that Clinton victory.

All The Best

Yes.....and the UK would not dare to leave the EU.....there is no accounting for the capriciousness of the voter on the day.
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Sep 11 2016, 06:35 PM
. . .Trump beating her recently in the debates, . . .
That'd take something

The first debate isn't until September 26th

Truth is her comment about half of Trump supporters being deplorables was wrong in only one aspect. She should have said it was all of them
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You had better pray that Hillary isn't finished.
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Sep 11 2016, 11:48 PM
You had better pray that Hillary isn't finished.


Well her illness didn't do her any good ; I met some yanks a few eeks ago,they said the reality is Trump has at best a 30% chance of winning ,that might be up to 35% but as Rich says you just never know.

Trumps an asshole but I do rather like his stance re Russia ,rather than the usual anti shite ,a friendly relationship between Russia and the US could only be a good thing imo.
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This illness thing may be deeper than we think. Her election team have stated that it is Pneumonia. However, there have been rumours about a more serious neurological condition going back for many months.

This may be just Republican/Right-Wing mud-slinging. However, are Hillary's symptoms really consistent with Pneumonia ?
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Sep 12 2016, 02:50 PM
This illness thing may be deeper than we think. Her election team have stated that it is Pneumonia. However, there have been rumours about a more serious neurological condition going back for many months.

This may be just Republican/Right-Wing mud-slinging. However, are Hillary's symptoms really consistent with Pneumonia ?
"However, are Hillary's symptoms really consistent with Pneumonia ? "

is that RG mud slinging by insinuation?


The one with the seriously disturbing condition is Trump.
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The present choice between Trump and Clinton fills most Americans with dread. They will in the main have to vote with a peg on their noses for the least bad candidate of the two, according to the political leanings. But If Hilary were to step down, and if the democrats fielded a substitute candidate, (any candidate with gravitas,) they would have a walk over!

I wonder.........
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FBI reopens Hillary Clinton email investigation

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37805525

It won't go away.

Who would have thought that Weiner getting his wiener out would reopen the case on Hillary?

Here's Trump's take on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMzgiSdqQ_I
Edited by Cymru, Oct 28 2016, 08:02 PM.
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As usual Trump goes OTT with wild hyperbole and a lot of mugs will believe it
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Oct 28 2016, 10:16 PM
As usual Trump goes OTT with wild hyperbole and a lot of mugs will believe it
I think it would be fairer to say that a lot of American voters will believe.....do I care?
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Latest rumours are that the FBI knows that Wikileaks is going to release something big soon on just this topic and want to save face when the inevitable "why did you let her go the first time?" question is asked in regards to the FBI not charging Clinton the first time this e-mail story broke.

What gives these rumours credence is that Assange recently said that the next batch of leaks released by Wikileaks will put Clinton behind bars.

That would also explain the recent rumour of an alleged attempt by the CIA to link Assange with online paedophilia to discredit him, a story which was in some mainstream media outlets for a few hours (notably Fox News) a few days ago before it suddenly disappeared without explanation. The explanation of course was that the CIA fecked up and had to bury the story quickly or risk being exposed trying to frame an innocent person.

Also rumours are suggesting that it is Kim Dotcom, and not the Russians, who is helping Assange in all this.

With the Kim Dotcom link comes the final rumour that the next batch of leaks released will also ensnare the Obamas and Biden.

Something big is happening, as soon as the news broke the markets (i.e. the corporate interests backing Clinton to win) reacted with gloom, whilst her campaign manager has apparently deleted his entire Twitter timeline.

Neoliberal globalisation could be in its final stages.
Edited by Cymru, Oct 29 2016, 05:20 AM.
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Also with the FBI claim that the recent evidence found came from Weiner the US establishment won't be able to use the "it's all a Russian plot/Wikileaks is controlled by the Russians" line they have been using the past few weeks to explain away all these damning details.
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It's interesting to see how the Clinton team are responding to this.

They've gone for the "attack the messenger" route, in this case the messenger being FBI Director James B. Comey, with all the usual and also the not so usual suspects in US establishment politics and media directing their fire towards Comey, with some bizarre calls for him to resign even.

The Clintons know that they are on the ropes and could be sent down, but were that indeed to be the case they seem determined to bring a whole lot of other people down with them.

All the dirt they would have accumulated on the willing and not so willing accomplices of theirs throughout the years has served as insurance for just this kind of event.

This explains the bizarre response from both establishment Democrats and Republicans attacking Comey, they are being leaned on.

If Hillary falls they know that she will make sure that they will fall with her, so they have to try to stop her falling at all costs.

As to why the FBI doesn't just dismiss this latest evidence like last time, it appears that Wikileaks' upcoming release of files threatened to outmanoeuvre them and with people like Comey looking to leave some sort of legacy behind when he retires he and the other bigwigs decided it couldn't be dismissed any longer else the FBI lose all credibility with the public.
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Well, for me it was been a really horrible US election trail, with two very dodgy canditates competing for office. Neither would know much about truth or ethicacy if it bit them on the bum. I thought we had dodgy politicians, but the US appear to have that Trumped and Clintoned!

It is a sign of our ethically and morally compromised times mes braves.
Edited by Oddball, Oct 29 2016, 08:21 AM.
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Sep 11 2016, 07:26 PM
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Sep 11 2016, 07:04 PM
According to various economics and finance website the US election is already a done-deal: Clinton will wipe the board with trump's dodgy hairpiece and then slap him with it.

Outside of tea-party activists and the elements of the blogosphere that support them there really is no credible consensus for a Trump victory.

In fact the markets are already positioning for that Clinton victory.

All The Best

Yes.....and the UK would not dare to leave the EU.....there is no accounting for the capriciousness of the voter on the day.
1951 to 1964 and 1979 to 1997. Two prime examples.
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Oct 29 2016, 05:44 AM
It's interesting to see how the Clinton team are responding to this.
They've gone for the "attack the messenger" route, in this case the messenger being FBI Director James B. Comey, with all the usual and also the not so usual suspects in US establishment politics and media directing their fire towards Comey, with some bizarre calls for him to resign even.
The Clintons know that they are on the ropes and could be sent down, but were that indeed to be the case they seem determined to bring a whole lot of other people down with them.
All the dirt they would have accumulated on the willing and not so willing accomplices of theirs throughout the years has served as insurance for just this kind of event.
This explains the bizarre response from both establishment Democrats and Republicans attacking Comey, they are being leaned on.
If Hillary falls they know that she will make sure that they will fall with her, so they have to try to stop her falling at all costs.

As to why the FBI doesn't just dismiss this latest evidence like last time, it appears that Wikileaks' upcoming release of files threatened to outmanoeuvre them and with people like Comey looking to leave some sort of legacy behind when he retires he and the other bigwigs decided it couldn't be dismissed any longer else the FBI lose all credibility with the public.
Sounds an awful lot like yet more of the conspiracy mentality.

Didn't the anti-Clinton brigade spend millions of dollars of tax payers money, not in attempting to prove an allegation against the Clintons but in looking for anything which would enable them to throw mud at the Clintons. The result that time was that the electorate fully recognised the dirty-tricks of the right-wing game and re-elected Clinton anyway. :)
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Well the FBI letter says they don't know if there is classified content on these emails

So why release the letter when it would take only hours to determine that?

Something stinks here
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The State(s) take care of their own interests first!
Nothing will be allowed to wreck their continued dominance of the political scene.
The FBI are first and foremost a State organisation - there will not be a collapse unless there is an alternative solution that fits their agenda.

Neoliberal globalisation will survive ...... it will take revolt to change that.

Edited by Affa, Oct 29 2016, 12:09 PM.
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What worries me is that if something nasty is in the woodshed vis a vis Hilary, it might allow Trump into the White House. THAT really worries me.
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Apparently..once again she tripped up whilst climbing up to her jet..and was then seen ''muttering''to herself..This lady is too old..and so is Donald Trump..Out of the millions of people who live in America..is this the best they could come up with??
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Oct 29 2016, 02:03 PM
Apparently..once again she tripped up whilst climbing up to her jet..and was then seen ''muttering''to herself..This lady is too old..and so is Donald Trump..Out of the millions of people who live in America..is this the best they could come up with??
Yes Mary, I agree, with over 300 million people in the USA they could only come up with these two clowns one of which will become the most powerful leader in the world.

I despair, but then again, it not our business and we must leave the yankee voters to make their own conclusion.

I do not see any other World leaders going over to the states to advise them how to vote, unlike when the very first Black American to become the most powerful leader in the world came to the UK to tell us how we should vote in OUR referendum.

I cannot stand hypocrisy in any shape or form.

It would seem that as far as American politics is concerned then money will determine the outcome.
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Nice to see all the usual's getting plenty of false hope from this story!
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Clinton was being very disingenuous when she called for Comey to make the information public as she knows that he can not release such information in the middle of an investigation which it is pertinent to.

It's also rich coming from her when she claimed all her e-mails had been made available to the authorities until they found out about the thousands of missing e-mails that had been hidden.

Clinton's attempt at looking tough exposes just how much of a shock this has been to her.
Edited by Cymru, Oct 29 2016, 10:24 PM.
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Oct 29 2016, 10:15 PM


Clinton's attempt at looking tough exposes just how much of a shock this has been to her.
Really! ;D

And the "hidden" e mails were found on a device belonging to someone else, suggesting she had deleted at her end but the recipient had not, and anyway what is the alleged content of these messages that is apparently so damning?
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Oct 29 2016, 10:36 PM
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Clinton's attempt at looking tough exposes just how much of a shock this has been to her.
Really! ;D

And the "hidden" e mails were found on a device belonging to someone else, suggesting she had deleted at her end but the recipient had not, and anyway what is the alleged content of these messages that is apparently so damning?
I don't know but it was enough for the FBI to reopen their investigation into her.
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Oct 29 2016, 10:47 PM
I don't know but it was enough for the FBI to reopen their investigation into her.


You don't know? You seemed certain it appeared to be a bit of a shock to her!

I'd keep a check on breaking news if I was you..............
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I don't know but it was enough for the FBI to reopen their investigation into her.


You don't know? You seemed certain it appeared to be a bit of a shock to her!

I'd keep a check on breaking news if I was you..............
Actually I said that this recent development has been a bit of a shock to her as seen by her response to it.

I didn't mention anything about what the e-mails contained.

What other reason would you give for her knowingly asking for something which cannot be done?

It is a disingenuous attempt to look tough knowing that the other side can't respond with what she asks. And it is hypocritical in the extreme considering her own failures to uphold what she now demands from others.
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Oct 29 2016, 10:57 PM
Actually I said that this recent development has been a bit of a shock to her as seen by her response to it.

I'm not an expert on body language but she looked angry rather than what you seem to be implying........
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Oct 29 2016, 10:15 PM
Clinton was being very disingenuous when she called for Comey to make the information public as she knows that he can not release such information in the middle of an investigation which it is pertinent to. . . .
And I guess you and (other?) Trumpistas would see no irony in that statement


None so blind as they that will not see


Interestingly even Justice Dept officials say this revelation of nothing of substance but with much inuendo is extremely sus



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Oct 29 2016, 10:15 PM
Clinton was being very disingenuous when she called for Comey to make the information public as she knows that he can not release such information in the middle of an investigation which it is pertinent to.

It's also rich coming from her when she claimed all her e-mails had been made available to the authorities until they found out about the thousands of missing e-mails that had been hidden.

Clinton's attempt at looking tough exposes just how much of a shock this has been to her.
And this is why it would not surprise me at all for the American electorate to vote for Trump, just to show they they too, just like we, are sick to death of being ruled as opposed to served.

As Pro Veritas has repeatedly said on this board.

"the people in power ignore the power of the people at their peril"
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And you ignore the power of professional con artists like Trump at all our perils
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I think that the FBI dredging this up less than two weeks before the vote is completely dodgy. Its the timing that stinks. When a national police force gets involved in a Presidential election in such a manner, we should all be. very, very worried. This whole election is like a bomb going off in the ideological heart of America.
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Oct 29 2016, 11:07 PM
And you ignore the power of professional con artists like Trump at all our perils
Are you intimating that I am a "trump supporter"?.....if not then please choose your words carefully.
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And you ignore the power of professional con artists like Trump at all our perils
Are you intimating that I am a "trump supporter"?.....if not then please choose your words carefully.
If I was going to insinuate that I'd say it outright

but you so love your 'all established politicians are dodgy' mantras so it is fair to point out there are far dodgier would be leaders out there
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And you ignore the power of professional con artists like Trump at all our perils
Are you intimating that I am a "trump supporter"?.....if not then please choose your words carefully.
If I was going to insinuate that I'd say it outright

but you so love your 'all established politicians are dodgy' mantras so it is fair to point out there are far dodgier would be leaders out there
I see, so is there a level of "dodginess" that you are willing to fork out for from your hard earned wages or are you just becoming like the Yanks and being apathetic, if we let this continue ad infinitum then we are own worst enemies.

Politicians in any country you care to name are there, and paid very well to be there to look after the best interests of the people who put them in that position.

They must serve, and not only that, they must be SEEN to be serving out in the open and above board.!!!
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If I was going to insinuate that I'd say it outright

but you so love your 'all established politicians are dodgy' mantras so it is fair to point out there are far dodgier would be leaders out there
I see, so is there a level of "dodginess" that you are willing to fork out for from your hard earned wages or are you just becoming like the Yanks and being apathetic, if we let this continue ad infinitum then we are own worst enemies.

Politicians in any country you care to name are there, and paid very well to be there to look after the best interests of the people who put them in that position.

They must serve, and not only that, they must be SEEN to be serving out in the open and above board.!!!
So in your book USA politicians have to achieve levels of perfection many times higher than the politicians you agree with?

Do you not see your inconsistency here?

Back on topic: further indications that the FBI head was deliberately trying to pervert an election

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37815558

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The FBI was advised by the US justice department not to inform Congress of a new inquiry into Hillary Clinton's email use, officials say.
Justice department officials said the move would be inconsistent with rules designed to avoid the appearance of interference in an election.
FBI Director James Comey acted independently when he briefed lawmakers in a letter on Friday.
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I see, so is there a level of "dodginess" that you are willing to fork out for from your hard earned wages or are you just becoming like the Yanks and being apathetic, if we let this continue ad infinitum then we are own worst enemies.

Politicians in any country you care to name are there, and paid very well to be there to look after the best interests of the people who put them in that position.

They must serve, and not only that, they must be SEEN to be serving out in the open and above board.!!!
So in your book USA politicians have to achieve levels of perfection many times higher than the politicians you agree with?

Do you not see your inconsistency here?

Back on topic: further indications that the FBI head was deliberately trying to pervert an election

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37815558

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The FBI was advised by the US justice department not to inform Congress of a new inquiry into Hillary Clinton's email use, officials say.
Justice department officials said the move would be inconsistent with rules designed to avoid the appearance of interference in an election.
FBI Director James Comey acted independently when he briefed lawmakers in a letter on Friday.
Mr Comey was "advised" as you put it and not ordered to keep shtum, perhaps Mr Comey at least has the interests of the USA at heart, you agreed with me the other day that authority SHOULD be challenged.

If everything is above board with Hillary then there is nothing to worry about, is there?
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This whole business over Hilary's E mails frankly puzzles me. Perhaps someone can enlighten me?? As I understand it, when she was secretary of state, she is alleged to have used a private E mail server to handle her official correspondence; which pre-supposes that there is an official E mail server that she SHOULD have used; which presumably is secure against hacking....and a lot more secure than the one she decided to use??
So, first off, WHY would an American Secretary of State want to do that???
And wouldn't the service she presumably chose to use think it just a little odd that it was handling such correspondence?
What would she stand to gain by using this private server? I can understand that she might want to keep some private and personal correspondence separate from the official correspondence connected to her job. But why then didn't she separate the two, and use the official channels for all correspondence connected to her position, and the other private one for her personal chitchat??

I just don't get it? Anyone???????
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