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| Topic Started: Sep 11 2016, 06:35 PM (1,063 Views) | |
| Cymru | Sep 11 2016, 06:35 PM Post #1 |
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Things aren't looking good for Hillary. We have had the Benghazi scandal, the hidden e-mail scandal, the hacking which exposed the dirty tricks the Hillary-supporting Democratic Party bigwigs used against Bernie to help win her the nomination, the persistent Clinton Foundation liability, bad poll numbers against Trump, widespread perception amongst voters that she is part of the system they detest and is not trustworthy, Trump beating her recently in the debates, forced to apologise for derogatory remarks she made about Trump supporters, Benghazi victims' families suing her, the coughing fits, the black doctor constantly at her side during public appearances with an epipen-like device at the ready in his hand, and now her recent collapse at the 9/11 memorial which has put her long-rumoured ill-health back in the headlines. Edited by Cymru, Sep 11 2016, 07:11 PM.
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| Steve K | Oct 30 2016, 01:52 PM Post #41 |
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Well what if Comey reveals 2 days after the election that there was no new evidence against her? Would Trump agree to re-run the election? Of course not FWIW there is no evidence that Comey did this intentionally to pervert the election, there's no evidence that he didn't either. But he's clearly not fit for that job |
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| Rich | Oct 30 2016, 03:35 PM Post #42 |
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And neither are the two contenders......but that will not stop one of them becoming the most powerful leader in the world..... which one??? your guess is as good/bad as mine right now as I would have bet on Clinton two weeks ago. |
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| Steve K | Oct 30 2016, 03:41 PM Post #43 |
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Hillary's by far the least worst option but she is far from flawed. But no one got poor underestimating the USA electorate. This one could go either way. |
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| Rich | Oct 30 2016, 04:47 PM Post #44 |
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IF, as the political commentator said on the Andrew Marr show this morning....Hillary is found to be in the clear and becomes the President then Comey is toast. However, if he does not release the info until after the election and she is found to be wanting then he is going to be in the shit as well.....what does one do? Life is tough at the top.
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| RoofGardener | Oct 30 2016, 04:59 PM Post #45 |
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ROFL. Trump is a "professional con artist" ? C'mon steve.. Hillary Clinton is FAR from clean. who has the greatest power to attempt a con ? A businessman ? Or a DEEP political insider, with money from Saudi Arabia (amongst other dodgy sources). Peril indeed !
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| Steve K | Oct 30 2016, 06:19 PM Post #46 |
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It's not who has the power RG it's which has the complete and utter lack of ethics And that's the fat man with the tiny hands. He's been doing it all his career. He's also smart enough to get his Wiki record cleansed regularly Go on google his 1993 testimony on gambling and Indians - he lied his arse off. And it's been going on ever since. Even on this latest supposed issue he can't tell the truth. He says it is the biggest scandal since Watergate. So Reagan selling arms to one sworn enemy (that had conveniently got his electoral rival humiliated) in order to fund illegal arms to illegal armies didn't happen according to Trump Business failures, Trump University,Trump Steaks, Trump hotels, falsifying loan applications, vile attacks o women that won't cow tow to him, grubby attacks with his mutant hands on women that he managed to get close to, those lies about that wall, lying about being self made, lying about poll results after debates The man's not just an utter fraud but a grubby little shit as well. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 30 2016, 06:36 PM Post #47 |
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Jeez, he carries as much baggage as the whole Kennedy clan and nearly as much as the Clintons. |
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| Rich | Oct 30 2016, 08:29 PM Post #48 |
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Agreed but Bill has the added skill of being able to blow his own saxophone at the same time as someone else is blowing his trumpet.
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| Jessamy Bride | Oct 30 2016, 08:45 PM Post #49 |
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I wouldn't like to be the FBI leader if Hilary does get in......he'll be kissing his arse goodbye. It would have to be something really important which will finish her off..... because this is a do or die. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 30 2016, 08:55 PM Post #50 |
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J Edgar Hoover hated both John and Bobby Kennedy but they couldnt shift him out. I doubt that the consequences of this action has not been anticipated. |
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| Cymru | Oct 30 2016, 09:07 PM Post #51 |
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I think Comey was more worried about the consequences of not doing anything... again. Rumours are that he was facing an internal revolt and not only from fellow FBI bigwigs either but the rank and file agents who were apparently disgusted at how the original investigation was dismissed not long after Bill had his little chat with Loretta in the private plane. Other people have suffered far more for doing far less than Clinton and this hasn't escaped the notice of the FBI rank and file. One interesting theory about why this recent find came about when it did was that there was a rivalry between the FBI in DC and the FBI in New York with one holding back this information from the other when the earlier investigations into Clinton's e-mails was being conducted. |
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| Affa | Oct 30 2016, 10:47 PM Post #52 |
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I've no idea whether what you tell is correct or not. However, Ministers using a 'private' ISP or Mobile phone service, that avoids the scrutiny that the Official provisions have is now de rigueur in order to provide plausible deniability. What used to done behind closed doors is now done by secure electronics and usually by third parties. No finger prints, no come back ...... unless someone squeals. Edited by Affa, Oct 30 2016, 10:48 PM.
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| Rich | Oct 30 2016, 10:54 PM Post #53 |
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Well, Affa, it would seem that a mouse has squoken, ....if you get my gist.
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| Oddball | Nov 1 2016, 08:11 AM Post #54 |
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We indeed live in interesting, and a tad disturbing times, BOTH sides of the Pond. Ahh, so that is were I put my tin hat. |
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| RoofGardener | Nov 1 2016, 03:19 PM Post #55 |
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A fraudulent grubby little shit, seeking political office ? Surely this is utterly unprecedented ? Anyway, are we referring to Hilary or Donald ?
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| Oddball | Nov 2 2016, 09:27 AM Post #56 |
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Well guys, I see on the news this morning that Hilary has been Trumped in the polls for the first time - things look to get interesting come their election day. |
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| Cymru | Nov 3 2016, 10:55 PM Post #57 |
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Wikileaks BOMBSHELL Exposes Extent Of Clinton Corruption https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApcqXijVzYU This pretty much seals it. It also explains the latest rumours coming out of the FBI that they have been investigating the Clinton Foundation, irrespective of the e-mail scandal, for over a year now, and that Clinton will likely be indicted on the strength of this alone. |
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| Steve K | Nov 3 2016, 11:22 PM Post #58 |
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that's all about an article from the October 26th Washington PostHow strange that it's all been seen as so so in the 8 days since |
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| Cymru | Nov 4 2016, 02:06 AM Post #59 |
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Just goes to show how corrupt the mainstream media is. As pointed out in the link the mainstream media did report this leak but chose to focus instead on the bitchy remarks made about Chelsea Clinton in it rather than WHY those bitchy remarks were being made about Chelsea Clinton in the first place. And they can't even preach ignorance as a defence as the reason as to why those bitchy remarks were being made can be found in the very leak that they reported on, it's in the 95% of the rest of the leak that they chose to ignore, apparently not being as newsworthy as the irrelevant crap they chose to run with. Edited by Cymru, Nov 4 2016, 03:50 AM.
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| Affa | Nov 4 2016, 07:40 PM Post #60 |
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It's the 'System', and how it is played .......... and not just in the US. When our politicians tell us we cannot 'afford to retain the NHS', just look at the numbers Private Business expect to make by being 'favoured' - and how much they are willing to shell out to those in a position to give that access. Edited by Affa, Nov 4 2016, 07:41 PM.
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| Cymru | Nov 4 2016, 07:57 PM Post #61 |
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That sinking feeling: Clinton has LOST her lock on the 270 electoral college votes needed for victory as Ohio, Utah and part of Maine move to Trump http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3906252/That-sinking-feeling-Clinton-LOST-lock-270-electoral-college-votes-needed-victory-Ohio-Utah-Maine-Trump.html I bet the Democrats wish they hadn't conspired against Bernie right about now. |
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| marybrown | Nov 5 2016, 02:36 PM Post #62 |
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I would be quite shocked if Hillary Clinton won the vote..she is too old..has that slimy bucket of shit as a husband..and apparently cannot get in or out of vehicles..Planes..cars...without tripping up.. |
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| Alberich | Nov 5 2016, 02:41 PM Post #63 |
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You might be more shocked if her demise lets Trump into the White House, Mary. |
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| marybrown | Nov 5 2016, 02:49 PM Post #64 |
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She's not up to it..I don't think she can manage the gruelling politics.. They will rip her to pieces.. |
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| Dan1989 | Nov 5 2016, 02:53 PM Post #65 |
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No, she'll ripped them to pieces, that women is bloodthirsty, just check her e-mails, and her actions, she by her actions have killed a lot of people, she's dangerous, not weak. She's far more likely to cause conflict with Russia then Trump, who pretty much like each-other. Though America choose poorly with their candidates, either Ted or Bernie would have been better. Edited by Dan1989, Nov 5 2016, 02:53 PM.
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| marybrown | Nov 5 2016, 03:53 PM Post #66 |
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She is a frail old woman...and she will need a puppet master... i don't believe she is that bloodthirsty... |
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| Dan1989 | Nov 5 2016, 05:15 PM Post #67 |
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She wants conflict with Russia, she's already got people killed in the Middle East because of her actions, she has a terrible track record. |
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| Cymru | Nov 5 2016, 05:31 PM Post #68 |
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She is funded by the same people who fund ISIS and seeing as her mission in Syria is to remove its government and attack the Russians one can only assume that she wants ISIS to succeed there too. |
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| Steve K | Nov 5 2016, 05:47 PM Post #69 |
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Absolute tosh ^ Here have some facts: https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career Contributor Total Indivs PACs EMILY's List $1,292,323 $1,283,403 $8,920 University of California $1,247,272 $1,247,272 $0 JPMorgan Chase & Co $998,755 $995,755 $3,000 Citigroup Inc $990,081 $982,081 $8,000 Goldman Sachs $945,744 $935,744 $10,000 DLA Piper $940,465 $913,465 $27,000 Morgan Stanley $927,830 $922,830 $5,000 Alphabet Inc $842,132 $842,132 $0 Time Warner $812,406 $787,406 $25,000 Skadden, Arps et al $733,642 $729,142 $4,500 Harvard University $687,765 $687,765 $0 Microsoft Corp $684,751 $681,251 $3,500 Kirkland & Ellis $628,447 $611,447 $17,000 US Government $614,961 $614,961 $0 Stanford University $582,674 $582,674 $0 Akin, Gump et al $573,464 $569,964 $3,500 Paul, Weiss et al $569,766 $569,766 $0 National Amusements Inc $553,003 $550,003 $3,000 Bank of America $536,126 $521,876 $14,250 Columbia University $519,938 $519,938 $0 |
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| Dan1989 | Nov 5 2016, 06:35 PM Post #70 |
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I am the only thinking that private businesses shouldn't be funding candidates or even parties, it's just seems shady. |
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| Steve K | Nov 5 2016, 06:39 PM Post #71 |
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No you're not alone. If a business or union has an interest in a political result going one way then its shareholders should individually put forward funds. Neither of us should hold our breath waiting for such a reform |
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| Rich | Nov 5 2016, 08:05 PM Post #72 |
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They should be made to "lobby" in the normal fashion just like others with a specific interest in government policy. Obviously, when it comes to financially vested interests then we do not normally get to learn of it until long afterwards. I have repeatedly said that I would love to know what politician has shares (if any) in any one particular company that has benefitted from government policy. |
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| Steve K | Nov 5 2016, 08:13 PM Post #73 |
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Happy reading, you'll find that Cntrl F is very useful to navigate the 132 mentions of the word shareholding. http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/161031/161031.pdf You'll find that many MPs dispose of their shares on election |
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| Rich | Nov 5 2016, 09:05 PM Post #74 |
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thank you for that Steve, most enlightening and I have only got to the second letter of the alphabet so far, however, I would not be at all surprised if shares in certain companies were bought in the name of family members and I do not expect to be edified in that as it is none of my business. |
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| Cymru | Nov 5 2016, 09:58 PM Post #75 |
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Now extend your research to the Clinton Foundation instead of disingenuously limiting it solely to campaign finance so you can falsely claim that what I posted was absolute tosh. Edited by Cymru, Nov 5 2016, 10:01 PM.
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| Steve K | Nov 5 2016, 10:08 PM Post #76 |
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Ooh touchy. But as you wish Clinton Foundation Donors over $25M: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Clinton Giustra Enterprise Partnership (Canada) * Fred Eychaner and Alphawood Foundation Frank Giustra, The Radcliffe Foundation Nationale Postcode Loterij The Children's Investment Fund Foundation UNITAID Yes Saudi gets in there in with the 17 names in the next lower category But surely the disingenuity is with those that imply Saudi and Qatar (which seems to be far far lower down) are the major funding source |
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| Rich | Nov 5 2016, 11:22 PM Post #77 |
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thank you for that Steve, most enlightening and I have only got to the second letter of the alphabet so far, however, I would not be at all surprised if shares in certain companies were bought in the name of family members and I do not expect to be edified in that as it is none of my business. |
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| Steve K | Nov 7 2016, 12:05 AM Post #78 |
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And the FBI has now reviewed those emails and totally cleared her http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37892138
Unsurprisingly a certain fat, dodgily financed, short fingered, combed over molester of women has claimed it's a fix as will of course sad conspiracy theorists the world over
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| Affa | Nov 7 2016, 12:24 AM Post #79 |
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That Turk (?) on the youtube had a very convincing delivery ....... the sort of sincerity we here have come to expect from the likes of David Cameron. And like him was utterly unprincipled. |
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| Rich | Nov 7 2016, 12:26 AM Post #80 |
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Steve, does it really matter what either of the two clowns say about each other? The reality begins on Tuesday when the American voting public perception takes over. Are you willing to now, that it is so close make a prediction? I must confess, apart from being generally disinterested, if I was in a turf accountants right now, I would have to put a tenner on each of them. WTF do I know? |
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that's all about an article from the October 26th Washington Post

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