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| Topic Started: Sep 11 2016, 06:35 PM (1,061 Views) | |
| Cymru | Sep 11 2016, 06:35 PM Post #1 |
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Things aren't looking good for Hillary. We have had the Benghazi scandal, the hidden e-mail scandal, the hacking which exposed the dirty tricks the Hillary-supporting Democratic Party bigwigs used against Bernie to help win her the nomination, the persistent Clinton Foundation liability, bad poll numbers against Trump, widespread perception amongst voters that she is part of the system they detest and is not trustworthy, Trump beating her recently in the debates, forced to apologise for derogatory remarks she made about Trump supporters, Benghazi victims' families suing her, the coughing fits, the black doctor constantly at her side during public appearances with an epipen-like device at the ready in his hand, and now her recent collapse at the 9/11 memorial which has put her long-rumoured ill-health back in the headlines. Edited by Cymru, Sep 11 2016, 07:11 PM.
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| Steve K | Nov 7 2016, 12:57 AM Post #81 |
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No predictions from me. In fact I have taken steps to not be able to watch the TV or the web as the result evolves through Tuesday night. I hope Hillary wins, she is the least worst of the 4 options on the ballot but none of them inspires confidence or is anything like the class act Obama has been. |
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| Rich | Nov 7 2016, 01:11 AM Post #82 |
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Sorry Steve, but imo , Obama was just as much a con artist as the present two...the difference being that he was more eloquent and more importantly... educated and articulate....but that does not make him any better than say, Bush junior or Nixon. FFS, you would have to go way back into American history to find a president that the electorate actually liked and respected/trusted. |
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| Steve K | Nov 7 2016, 01:19 AM Post #83 |
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Surprisingly not too far. Reagan was very popular |
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| Rich | Nov 7 2016, 01:30 AM Post #84 |
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Was he a member of equity....joking apart, yes, he was a good president, but good presidents come about in times of international conflict, FDR is a good example, in relative peace times it would appear that even the likes of clowns and liars can become the most powerful person in the world....I do not hold out much hope whichever one attains office but I do have faith in the American senate and second house to restrain any silly thoughts coming from the winner. |
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| Cymru | Nov 7 2016, 06:48 AM Post #85 |
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FBI Director James Comey: Hillary Should Not Face Criminal Charges. But Who Conducted the Investigation? FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe Whose Wife Received $467,500 http://www.globalresearch.ca/fbi-director-james-comey-no-evidence-of-hillary-wrong-doing-but-who-conducted-the-investigation-fbi-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe-bribed-whose-wife-received-467000/5555398 Major conflict of interest there and this was likely the source of the rumours of an FBI internal feud. Note the investigation into the Clinton Foundation, which predates the e-mail scandal, continues. |
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| Affa | Nov 7 2016, 01:14 PM Post #86 |
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Being popular and being a good President aren't the same thing. Obama has been very good, and no doubt in my mind did as much as he could considering the difficulties he has had with lack of Senate, and Congress support. In fact he's been incredibly successful. That you determine a Democrat has been poor is of no surprise - tribalism rules! |
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| Dan1989 | Nov 7 2016, 01:32 PM Post #87 |
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Nah, I think the opposite, he's been average. I said to someone the saddest apart about him, it's that he'll be remember as the first black president, which isn't a good thing, pretty sure he'd like to remember for something more. I agree he's had to counter the senate and congress, but that just tells me that's his policies were an anathema to both the Democrats and Republicans, the best he's done has steady the ship. The problem was he was over-hyped. Also, you're suffering from tribalism as-well, just saying
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| Steve K | Nov 7 2016, 02:13 PM Post #88 |
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Well imho as a president that never had the Hill on his side he's managed to keep that country together through what could easily have been very bad years as they took their post meltdown medicine. He also ended that absurd feud with Cuba that 9 previous presidents failed on But he'll just as likely be remembered for his rather attractive wife. After all that's what Kennedy would have been remembered for had he not gone to Dallas that day |
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| Affa | Nov 7 2016, 03:44 PM Post #89 |
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Look at which major economy survived and overcame the Bank crisis, has had the most growth ......... it isn't tribalist to give credit for being the most effective. And what he achieved despite opposition on health care reforms is commendable -
That debate looked very closely at the NHS, and US amazement at how efficient and affordable UK health care was compared to their own ....... and to be tribalist I add that our Tories made the ridiculous decision to invite American (private) health care experts to advise on NHS reforms. I'm not making it up! |
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| Dan1989 | Nov 7 2016, 05:56 PM Post #90 |
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Richest nation, come on, it nearly impossible to mess up America's economic position that badly, if he did nothing probably still be in the same position now. Though debt did still rise to an all time high, also China holds a lot of America's debt, it could be argued he slowed the decline. You have a far too high of opinion of him, he was painfully average, only difference was skin colour, and I fear that was the main reason of people supporting him in essence a sought of virtue signalling. Watch this video of them talking about Obama, it gives a good view on how well he did, well, not so good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4bYtNIz0CA He has the worst job recovery since WW2. Well, about healthcare, Americans have different views, to them personal freedom comes first, many still argue and have a lot of support that it's immoral to remove choice and to forcibly take their money, they will never accept our way, also a nation that size, would be highly prohibitive. About medicare, many doctors have been rejecting, because it does not cover the cost completely, hence there's been complaints about it, also there's fears that doctors will be forced to accept it. Our health system is good, but it's bending under the stress, we've allowed too many in, cost are ever increasing, performance in areas aren't as comparable to other nations, there's improvements needed. Also remove that tribalism if you going to complain about it. It was Labour who introduced the idea of privatisation around the NHS. Edited by Dan1989, Nov 7 2016, 06:12 PM.
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| Affa | Nov 7 2016, 07:02 PM Post #91 |
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Strange then that the Federal budget spend on Health Care per capita (2014) was $9,403 the UK $3,935. USA spend %GDP 17.1% UK spend .......... 9.1% So the Yanks liking to keep their money in their own pockets isn't exactly working that well for them. |
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| Dan1989 | Nov 7 2016, 07:09 PM Post #92 |
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Yeah, but it's protected under their constitution, freedom. To them they think it should be their choice, also if you think it's expensive now for America, imagine when they have to fund and maintain hospitals as-well, that GDP per-capita will go through the roof. It's a massive nation, it's size pretty much hurts its chances of having nationalised health system, and as I said, large part of the population wouldn't agree. You're trying to shove our system into a federal system. Edited by Dan1989, Nov 7 2016, 07:10 PM.
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| Affa | Nov 7 2016, 07:13 PM Post #93 |
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I'm obviously older than you are and know for a fact that the Privatisation of the NHS idea was introduced and in part enacted long before Blair's reforms. Google Central Policy Review Staff in 1982 |
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| Dan1989 | Nov 7 2016, 07:19 PM Post #94 |
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But you did not say that, you weren't as impartial as you claim to be when you were calling others tribal. If you said these ideas and reforms had been around for a while and said it was accelerated during Labour administration and continued under the Tories, I would have agreed, but the issue here was that you were complaining about tribalism and then you gave a bias view on NHS privatisation aimed at the Tories, you aren't practising what you are preaching. I wish people were more truthful about themselves we are all tribal, just make sure you pick a decent one. Edited by Dan1989, Nov 7 2016, 07:25 PM.
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| Affa | Nov 7 2016, 07:36 PM Post #95 |
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I cited my own tribalism, declared it. You probably missed Rich posting that he was not tribalist, and my reference to tribalism was to point it (his) out to him.
I have not here said that I am not tribalist .......... though will do so now! You called me tribalist for recognising the achievements of Obama (which you deny). I said I would make a tribalist 'addition' my argument, and it appears so (to you certainly), but was made to say inviting American health experts to advise on NHS reforms was utterly stupid - their's being twice as expensive as what we have now. That's not being tribalist, it is being more sensible about how NI money is spent. edit - btw ... I for many years was a Conservative supporter. Edited by Affa, Nov 7 2016, 07:37 PM.
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| Dan1989 | Nov 7 2016, 07:43 PM Post #96 |
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Fair enough, but attacking someone for it, when you yourself have just said that you have the same position, seems a tad hypocritical. Obama has been objectively average and in some areas bad, like the job recovery which has been the worst since post WW2. And I agree(Tories bringing in advisers), but to give a more rounder perspective, we have to understand a lot of this was made possible because of the reforms done by Labour, the ye old crack into a flood issue. But even though I disagree with both, because they've been expensive and haven't returned the any real value, though I understand that it's needed to be tried, the NHS isn't in a great position it has major issues and something needs to be done. I vote communist(I write communist and place it in ), because my town always goes Labour, so it makes no difference, there's no party who's economic liberal, and pro social programs like the NHS and similar, so that does not help, but in general the smaller the government the better.
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| Oddball | Nov 9 2016, 07:51 AM Post #97 |
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Is Hilary finished - well seems so, at least for the next few years, and at over 70, she would be a geriatric candidate come the next election.
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| Alberich | Nov 9 2016, 01:36 PM Post #98 |
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One can almost feel sorry for her. I mean, she probably regarded the presidency as her right!. It was her turn, and she is a Clinton, after all. But to lose to a no hope outsider like Trump must be galling, so say the least. Now all she has to worry about is that Trump might order a full investigation into the Clinton Foundation, and where all that money has gone. |
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| Marconi | Nov 9 2016, 06:14 PM Post #99 |
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An historic day. I got a GP appointment the same day of phoning in. Oh and Trump is president. Welcome to 1984.. are you ready for the 3rd world war? At least it'll be in Middle East. If Hillary had won we'd be stuck between the Yankees and the Russians warring. So Trump's win is probably the best result for us. How low the US has fallen. |
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| Dan1989 | Nov 9 2016, 06:17 PM Post #100 |
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Please give examples, every claim of racist, sexist and xenophobic was basically debunked. Give me exact examples of where he's an issue. I'm guessing with your 1984 comment, you think of him as a modern version of Reagan, or referring to Orwell? Edited by Dan1989, Nov 9 2016, 06:20 PM.
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| Affa | Nov 9 2016, 06:19 PM Post #101 |
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Proof that even a child from trailer trash parents can become President of the most powerful nation in the world. |
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| Marconi | Nov 9 2016, 06:28 PM Post #102 |
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Actually Dan I took my off the ball and concentrated on Trump while taking little notice of Clinton. It's only in the last few weeks did I see how dreadful that woman is. The comment about how low the US has fallen is pretty much what most people are thinking... is that the best that US could come up with? |
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| Tigger | Nov 9 2016, 06:34 PM Post #103 |
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Bernie Sanders would have been the better candidate in my view, he was clearly anti corporate, Trump only tell us he is. |
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| Dan1989 | Nov 9 2016, 06:40 PM Post #104 |
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I completely agree, both Mitt Romney and Ted Cruz are better candidates if Americans wanted a Republican led government, though all we can hope for now from our perspective is that he's more receptive with trading with us, where the Democrats and Clinton weren't. I've always said politics has become too much about emotions and very nasty this vs us. |
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| Dan1989 | Nov 9 2016, 06:43 PM Post #105 |
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Though socialism is a controversial subject there, just look at Obama Care, it was hated not only because it seem like a pathway to socialism, it also increased the premiums on the middle class. I truly believe they couldn't see him get the votes from the moderates. Edited by Dan1989, Nov 9 2016, 06:57 PM.
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| johnofgwent | Nov 9 2016, 07:59 PM Post #106 |
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It .. It is GREEN !!
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In reply to the thread title... She is now
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| Curious Cdn | Nov 9 2016, 11:10 PM Post #107 |
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Yup. Finito. Done like dinner. |
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| Phoenix One UK | Nov 10 2016, 12:08 AM Post #108 |
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Yep, she is finished alright, and she did it to herself. Seriously, there is a lot on this for those willing to look, and it supports what I had always been saying. Never trust your computer. that goes double for voting using computers. |
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| Phoenix One UK | Nov 10 2016, 12:28 AM Post #109 |
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Here is another from same source supplied in previous post. Further, there is much that can be supported for those who may question what is said. All you have to do is look. Luv this guy. Makes me laugh.
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| Curious Cdn | Nov 12 2016, 01:10 AM Post #110 |
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Hacked by the Russians? They REALLY, REALLY like a Trump Presidency. |
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), because my town always goes Labour, so it makes no difference, there's no party who's economic liberal, and pro social programs like the NHS and similar, so that does not help, but in general the smaller the government the better.

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