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Topic Started: Oct 19 2016, 07:35 AM (297 Views)
disgruntled porker
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Is anyone else thoroughly fed up of the current charity pleas on tv during the ad breaks? There must be 50% of all adverts now begging for £2 or £3 a month for some charitable cause or another.
One in particular gets me. The one about child brides. It started out and these girls were 12 years old. They must not have been getting the expected response, because now they seem to have lowered the age to 8!
Call me Mr Nasty, but are we not extolled to respect other peoples cultures, regardless of if we personally find them somewhat disturbing? Or should we only respect certain bits of other cultures?
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disgruntled porker
Oct 19 2016, 07:35 AM
. . . Or should we only respect certain bits of other cultures?
Well you got there in the end. Only those bits that would be legal in the UK get any respect from me

But tell me more about these things called TV adverts? Don't really watch them meself, should I?
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Oct 19 2016, 08:44 AM
Only those bits that would be legal in the UK get any respect from me.
So if the law in the UK lowered the age of consent to 12 you'd happily respect cultures that have "child brides"?

Surely in an enlightened society morality defines the law, and not the law morality?

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Oct 19 2016, 09:48 AM

Surely in an enlightened society morality defines the law, and not the law morality?

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The thing that troubles me almost as much as this apparent lack of moral respectability, is how (loving) parents are party to such arrangements.

These adverts are aimed at stirring an emotional reaction to what parents here would find shameful and cruel. It is about how utterly dreadful we consider it is ....... and yet as you say we are expected to respect and tolerate those that practice this vile culture.
I just cannot imagine how a parent can be so inhuman. It isn't natural not to care for a child!


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Oct 19 2016, 10:48 AM
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Oct 19 2016, 09:48 AM

Surely in an enlightened society morality defines the law, and not the law morality?

All The Best


The thing that troubles me almost as much as this apparent lack of moral respectability, is how (loving) parents are party to such arrangements.

These adverts are aimed at stirring an emotional reaction to what parents here would find shameful and cruel. It is about how utterly dreadful we consider it is ....... and yet as you say we are expected to respect and tolerate those that practice this vile culture.
I just cannot imagine how a parent can be so inhuman. It isn't natural not to care for a child!


These attitudes are prevalent in some countries..I knew a man who worked for Shell in Nigeria..and told me that very often he would hear a tap at the window..and it would be a mother offering her 8-9 year old daughter for sex!
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I have compassion fatigue like most folks these days, not all causes are worthy in my view, anything designed to be emotionally shallow or sentimental is a no no for me.
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Oct 19 2016, 02:41 PM
I have compassion fatigue like most folks these days, not all causes are worthy in my view, anything designed to be emotionally shallow or sentimental is a no no for me.
I don't remember asking you to feel ''sorry''for them..but as you are retiring soon I can only presume you are a knackered old fart yourself??

They could just throw you in the skip... !clp!
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Oct 19 2016, 03:15 PM
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Oct 19 2016, 02:41 PM
I have compassion fatigue like most folks these days, not all causes are worthy in my view, anything designed to be emotionally shallow or sentimental is a no no for me.
I don't remember asking you to feel ''sorry''for them..but as you are retiring soon I can only presume you are a knackered old fart yourself??

They could just throw you in the skip... !clp!
I wasn't specifically addressing the point to you, and I am getting on a bit these days but I make every effort not to be yet another oldie banging on about the good old days and pretending the rest of society owes us, it doesn't, and that includes not fucking up the life chances of those who will outlive us.
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Oct 19 2016, 03:23 PM
marybrown
Oct 19 2016, 03:15 PM
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Oct 19 2016, 02:41 PM
I have compassion fatigue like most folks these days, not all causes are worthy in my view, anything designed to be emotionally shallow or sentimental is a no no for me.
I don't remember asking you to feel ''sorry''for them..but as you are retiring soon I can only presume you are a knackered old fart yourself??

They could just throw you in the skip... !clp!
I wasn't specifically addressing the point to you, and I am getting on a bit these days but I make every effort not to be yet another oldie banging on about the good old days and pretending the rest of society owes us, it doesn't, and that includes not fucking up the life chances of those who will outlive us.
No one owes us a thing..You will be old one day...well you can look forward to ''get rid of this old fart'' You are taking too much space..and clogging up the NHS..we know you've worked all your life..well fuck you..
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Oct 19 2016, 07:35 AM
Is anyone else thoroughly fed up of the current charity pleas on tv during the ad breaks? There must be 50% of all adverts now begging for £2 or £3 a month for some charitable cause or another.
One in particular gets me. The one about child brides. It started out and these girls were 12 years old. They must not have been getting the expected response, because now they seem to have lowered the age to 8!
Call me Mr Nasty, but are we not extolled to respect other peoples cultures, regardless of if we personally find them somewhat disturbing? Or should we only respect certain bits of other cultures?
If you look closely you will see that your TV has an off switch.
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Oct 19 2016, 07:20 PM
disgruntled porker
Oct 19 2016, 07:35 AM
Is anyone else thoroughly fed up of the current charity pleas on tv during the ad breaks? There must be 50% of all adverts now begging for £2 or £3 a month for some charitable cause or another.
One in particular gets me. The one about child brides. It started out and these girls were 12 years old. They must not have been getting the expected response, because now they seem to have lowered the age to 8!
Call me Mr Nasty, but are we not extolled to respect other peoples cultures, regardless of if we personally find them somewhat disturbing? Or should we only respect certain bits of other cultures?
If you look closely you will see that your TV has an off switch.
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Oct 19 2016, 07:22 PM
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Oct 19 2016, 07:20 PM
disgruntled porker
Oct 19 2016, 07:35 AM
Is anyone else thoroughly fed up of the current charity pleas on tv during the ad breaks? There must be 50% of all adverts now begging for £2 or £3 a month for some charitable cause or another.
One in particular gets me. The one about child brides. It started out and these girls were 12 years old. They must not have been getting the expected response, because now they seem to have lowered the age to 8!
Call me Mr Nasty, but are we not extolled to respect other peoples cultures, regardless of if we personally find them somewhat disturbing? Or should we only respect certain bits of other cultures?
If you look closely you will see that your TV has an off switch.
Heretic
Well, my excuse is (and I am sticking to it) I do not know where the on/off switch is as I do not watch the damn thing.  !bgrin!
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Oct 19 2016, 08:06 PM
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Oct 19 2016, 07:22 PM
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Oct 19 2016, 07:20 PM

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Well, my excuse is (and I am sticking to it) I do not know where the on/off switch is as I do not watch the damn thing.  !bgrin!
Except when visitors are here, TV is on here just about every waking hour we are in the house. No we are not embarrassed at all.
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Oct 19 2016, 09:48 AM
Steve K
Oct 19 2016, 08:44 AM
Only those bits that would be legal in the UK get any respect from me.
So if the law in the UK lowered the age of consent to 12 you'd happily respect cultures that have "child brides"?

Surely in an enlightened society morality defines the law, and not the law morality?

All The Best
While I in general agree with the flow of your arguement, the point I would tend to tread carefully around is the issue of just what is really 'enlightenment'/'enlightened', and by what authority and what agenda, and who gets priority, and why?
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Oct 19 2016, 09:48 AM
Steve K
Oct 19 2016, 08:44 AM
Only those bits that would be legal in the UK get any respect from me.
So if the law in the UK lowered the age of consent to 12 you'd happily respect cultures that have "child brides"?

Surely in an enlightened society morality defines the law, and not the law morality?

All The Best
Perhaps you need to read my post again
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Oct 19 2016, 09:48 AM
Steve K
Oct 19 2016, 08:44 AM
Only those bits that would be legal in the UK get any respect from me.
So if the law in the UK lowered the age of consent to 12 you'd happily respect cultures that have "child brides"?

There are already 12 year old ''child brides'' in the UK..

And absolutely nothing to do with our laws?
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Oct 20 2016, 04:26 PM
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Oct 19 2016, 09:48 AM
Steve K
Oct 19 2016, 08:44 AM
Only those bits that would be legal in the UK get any respect from me.
So if the law in the UK lowered the age of consent to 12 you'd happily respect cultures that have "child brides"?

There are already 12 year old ''child brides'' in the UK..

And absolutely nothing to do with our laws?
PC dictates that it has nothing to do with us, that we shouldn't poke our noses into other cultures and/or religions, after all Political Correctness' 'God' is Relativism, that dictates all things to have equal right, weight and validity.
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Oct 25 2016, 09:51 AM
PC dictates that it has nothing to do with us, that we shouldn't poke our noses into other cultures and/or religions, after all Political Correctness' 'God' is Relativism, that dictates all things to have equal right, weight and validity.
 :o

Actually marrying a child or sending one abroad to get married is a criminal offence in this country.

Why let facts get in the way though!

Someone will be along shortly with a story about three black child brides with AIDS who every Friday jump the queue at the local doctors.
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Oct 20 2016, 09:50 AM
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Oct 19 2016, 09:48 AM
Steve K
Oct 19 2016, 08:44 AM
Only those bits that would be legal in the UK get any respect from me.
So if the law in the UK lowered the age of consent to 12 you'd happily respect cultures that have "child brides"?

Surely in an enlightened society morality defines the law, and not the law morality?

All The Best
Perhaps you need to read my post again
You said, and I quote:

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Only those bits that would be legal in the UK get any respect from me


So I asked if (please note: IF) the law lowered the age of consent to 12 you'd be OK with child brides?

Because such would be legal.

Unless of course you are being extremely pedantic regarding the difference between "age of consent" and "age for marriage".

But I suggest you knew exactly what I meant when I posed the question originally.

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Oct 19 2016, 07:35 AM
Is anyone else thoroughly fed up of the current charity pleas on tv during the ad breaks? There must be 50% of all adverts now begging for £2 or £3 a month for some charitable cause or another.
One in particular gets me. The one about child brides. It started out and these girls were 12 years old. They must not have been getting the expected response, because now they seem to have lowered the age to 8!
Call me Mr Nasty, but are we not extolled to respect other peoples cultures, regardless of if we personally find them somewhat disturbing? Or should we only respect certain bits of other cultures?


I found the answer ( for me anyway). I give a direct debit payment to a local hospice lottery every month...thats it..

When I see telly adverts begging for money to dig wells or pay to educate young ladies in Uganda ( or something like that). I just think , sod that, if I want to give out any more of my money Ill give more to the hospice ( although I never do).
Works for the door to door pan handlers too...' sorry mate I already donate to a charity'..then shut the door.
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Perhaps you need to read my post again
You said, and I quote:

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Only those bits that would be legal in the UK get any respect from me


So I asked if (please note: IF) the law lowered the age of consent to 12 you'd be OK with child brides?

Because such would be legal.

Unless of course you are being extremely pedantic regarding the difference between "age of consent" and "age for marriage".

But I suggest you knew exactly what I meant when I posed the question originally.

All The Best
Is there any point responding if you refuse to understand plain English

Did I say "could ever become legal in the UK" or "would ever be legal in the UK"? No, I referred to the present law.

And anyway is there any prospect in the UK we will ever make such legal? No

If this has still flown over your head then perhaps you should audition as an extra in a remake of Gulliver's Travels



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Is there any point responding if you refuse to understand plain English

Did I say "could ever become legal in the UK" or "would ever be legal in the UK"? No, I referred to the present law.

And anyway is there any prospect in the UK we will ever make such legal? No

If this has still flown over your head then perhaps you should audition as an extra in a remake of Gulliver's Travels



Oh, I understand plain English just fine.

The law could change, not saying it is likely - though if the Daily Fail's dire warnings about the Islamification of Britain are accurate it may be more likely quite soon - just that it can.

And if your only guide for what is right or wrong is the law then there is a significant degree of moral ambiguity, or even moral absence.

Remember there are parts of the EU where the age of consent is still 14 (Albania, Austria, Bulgaria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Estonia, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Liechtenstein, Macedonia, Montenegro, Portugal, San Marino, Serbia) and 15 (Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Greece, Iceland, Monaco, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden).

Would you therefore accept/respect people who had sex with 14 and 15 year olds in those countries?
Or would you hold them to the same standard set in the UK.

The law is, and has always been relative and I would suggest that for significant periods of history it has been the case that what is legal is not always moral.

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Is there a bridge missing something?

I was referring to what would be legal under the law as is

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Is there a bridge missing something?
No, but I suspect that there is a village that is...

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I was referring to what would be legal under the law as is

That is not what you said.

You said:
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Only those bits that would be legal in the UK get any respect from me


Now, if the UK lowered the age of consent/marriage to 12 it WOULD be legal to marry a 12 year old.
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Oct 25 2016, 09:06 PM
Is there a bridge missing something?
No, but I suspect that there is a village that is...

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Does that mean you've give up trying to absurdly twist my post for cheap dishonest effect because it's now sunk in that you were only making yourself look bad?


again


Update: oh I see you're still doing it. Best go into DNFTT mode

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PC dictates that it has nothing to do with us, that we shouldn't poke our noses into other cultures and/or religions, after all Political Correctness' 'God' is Relativism, that dictates all things to have equal right, weight and validity.
 :o

Actually marrying a child or sending one abroad to get married is a criminal offence in this country.

Why let facts get in the way though!

Someone will be along shortly with a story about three black child brides with AIDS who every Friday jump the queue at the local doctors.
You are such an innocent..Sad really...and I am sure if there were 3 underage black brides? (do they marry them?) with AIDS..who jump the queue at the Doc's..I would rely on you to give generously.. :rubchin:
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PC dictates that it has nothing to do with us, that we shouldn't poke our noses into other cultures and/or religions, after all Political Correctness' 'God' is Relativism, that dictates all things to have equal right, weight and validity.


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disgruntled porker
Oct 19 2016, 07:35 AM
Is anyone else thoroughly fed up of the current charity pleas on tv during the ad breaks? There must be 50% of all adverts now begging for £2 or £3 a month for some charitable cause or another.
One in particular gets me. The one about child brides. It started out and these girls were 12 years old. They must not have been getting the expected response, because now they seem to have lowered the age to 8!
Call me Mr Nasty, but are we not extolled to respect other peoples cultures, regardless of if we personally find them somewhat disturbing? Or should we only respect certain bits of other cultures?
If you look closely you will see that your TV has an off switch.
Heretic
Don't the kodi add one filter the ads ;-)

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Oct 26 2016, 12:10 PM
You are such an innocent..Sad really...and I am sure if there were 3 underage black brides? (do they marry them?) with AIDS..who jump the queue at the Doc's..I would rely on you to give generously.. :rubchin:
I think it's wonderful you keep up with all the latest prejudices offered up by the yellow press, years ago it was an Englishman, a Scotsman and an Irishmen!

These days is darkies with AIDS! ;D
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Has anyone noticed that over the last few days the begging bowl has gone up from £3 to £5 a month.
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Oct 27 2016, 07:10 AM
Has anyone noticed that over the last few days the begging bowl has gone up from £3 to £5 a month.
Once you have subscribed to their offers...your life will be made a misery...by other charities...

I once donated a £100 to the WWF..My letterbox was bombarded by booklets showing EXTREME abuse of animals..

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You are such an innocent..Sad really...and I am sure if there were 3 underage black brides? (do they marry them?) with AIDS..who jump the queue at the Doc's..I would rely on you to give generously.. :rubchin:
I think it's wonderful you keep up with all the latest prejudices offered up by the yellow press, years ago it was an Englishman, a Scotsman and an Irishmen!

These days is darkies with AIDS! ;D
Don't fergit the Muzzie terrorism stuff and ethnic other 'invasion' goings on as well.

Some of us are concerned to one degree or another, other folks couldn't give a shit - ah, that reminds me, some of us also have reservations about 'gays'.
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