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For weeks, BBC News along with channel four news and ITV news, along with our own luvvies, and some newspapers, including the Daily Mail have ben ridiculing Donald trump, the right wing candidate for the presidency of the USA. There was very little criticism of Hillary Clinton and her policies. It was always unwise fore the British People , News broadcasters and Newspapers to take sides on this issue, for it seems that Clinton has fallen at the last hurdle, or at least been severely hurt but the current reporting of her wrong doings. We still do not know what the result will be, and of course we have no say in the outcome, a good reason to remain neutral . This could be a lesson to us all to remain objective, and nail our colours to the mast. Events can make fools of us all.
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Oct 30 2016, 06:39 PM
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Trump is a larger target and everyone expects Hillary to be dodgy.
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Oct 30 2016, 06:59 PM
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Trump is a larger target and everyone expects Hillary to be dodgy. Trump will probably win imo, but only as a protest vote against the corrupted establishment that supposedly stands up for the brave and the free, but, if Hillary wins then just as with Trump, the yanks will still be the losers, because if these two are the best that they can up with then not only the yanks but the world in general will be losers.
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Oct 30 2016, 07:14 PM
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Trump is a larger target and everyone expects Hillary to be dodgy.
Trump will probably win imo, but only as a protest vote against the corrupted establishment that supposedly stands up for the brave and the free, but, if Hillary wins then just as with Trump, the yanks will still be the losers, because if these two are the best that they can up with then not only the yanks but the world in general will be losers. You may be right. There will be grave consequences as the United States and maybe other key parts of the world destablize because that seems to where it will go.
The United State's national police force (the FBI) has just intervened in a Presidential election. There is nothing good about this situstion.
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Trump is a larger target and everyone expects Hillary to be dodgy.
Trump will probably win imo, but only as a protest vote against the corrupted establishment that supposedly stands up for the brave and the free, but, if Hillary wins then just as with Trump, the yanks will still be the losers, because if these two are the best that they can up with then not only the yanks but the world in general will be losers.
You may be right. There will be grave consequences as the United States and maybe other key parts of the world destablize because that seems to where it will go. The United State's national police force (the FBI) has just intervened in a Presidential election. There is nothing good about this situstion. The intervention by the FBI is historically unprecedented, therefore there can only be two reasons why.
Something very serious regarding Hillary Clinton.
OR,
A very large bank account being created somewhere in Switzerland.
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Oct 30 2016, 07:43 PM
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Trump is a larger target and everyone expects Hillary to be dodgy.
Trump will probably win imo, but only as a protest vote against the corrupted establishment that supposedly stands up for the brave and the free, but, if Hillary wins then just as with Trump, the yanks will still be the losers, because if these two are the best that they can up with then not only the yanks but the world in general will be losers.
The triumph will be short lived if Trump wins because he will not be able to deliver on his promises.
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Oct 30 2016, 07:47 PM
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Trump is a larger target and everyone expects Hillary to be dodgy.
Trump will probably win imo, but only as a protest vote against the corrupted establishment that supposedly stands up for the brave and the free, but, if Hillary wins then just as with Trump, the yanks will still be the losers, because if these two are the best that they can up with then not only the yanks but the world in general will be losers.
The triumph will be short lived if Trump wins because he will not be able to deliver on his promises. So what? that is par for the course where politicians are concerned at election times.
That is why I have always called for winning manifestos to be legally binding, but I am always told by those that apparently know better that that would not be realistic in practise.
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Oct 30 2016, 07:58 PM
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The triumph will be short lived if Trump wins because he will not be able to deliver on his promises.
So what? that is par for the course where politicians are concerned at election times. That is why I have always called for winning manifestos to be legally binding, but I am always told by those that apparently know better that that would not be realistic in practise.
Yes but its not about you is it?
Trump is an anti establishment populist candidate ( even though he is the republican candidate). His supporters believe that he will drastically change US society far more than Clinton's do.
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Oct 30 2016, 08:14 PM
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For weeks, BBC News along with channel four news and ITV news, along with our own luvvies, and some newspapers, including the Daily Mail have ben ridiculing Donald trump, the right wing candidate for the presidency of the USA.
Unmitigated garbage!
I'm beginning to doubt you have an independent mind, let alone the ability to make a fair judgement. It seems to me you simply cannnot handle information that goes against your various prejudices and bigotries.
ITV and the BBC especially have given prominent coverage to Clinton's latest troubles, and her past problems, especially those revolving round trust. Wake up!
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Oct 30 2016, 08:20 PM
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So what? that is par for the course where politicians are concerned at election times. That is why I have always called for winning manifestos to be legally binding, but I am always told by those that apparently know better that that would not be realistic in practise.
Yes but its not about you is it? Trump is an anti establishment populist candidate ( even though he is the republican candidate). His supporters believe that he will drastically change US society far more than Clinton's do. Fair comment,.......... lots of people believed Billy Graham too.
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Oct 30 2016, 09:02 PM
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Yes but its not about you is it? Trump is an anti establishment populist candidate ( even though he is the republican candidate). His supporters believe that he will drastically change US society far more than Clinton's do.
Fair comment,.......... lots of people believed Billy Graham too.
Indeed..but they never found out until they were dead...sort of What I an getting at Rich is that when Trump fails to build a wall on the Mexican border ( paid for by Mexico),keep/create manufacturing jobs in the US by tearing up trade agreements and the rest of his raving looney party promises the people will not shrug it off.
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Oct 30 2016, 10:32 PM
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Trump is a larger target and everyone expects Hillary to be dodgy.
Trump will probably win imo, but only as a protest vote against the corrupted establishment that supposedly stands up for the brave and the free, but, if Hillary wins then just as with Trump, the yanks will still be the losers, because if these two are the best that they can up with then not only the yanks but the world in general will be losers.
The triumph will be short lived if Trump wins because he will not be able to deliver on his promises. Can any politician? The best we can expect is that they are wish lists and route maps with alternative routes pencilled in.
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Oct 30 2016, 10:35 PM
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The triumph will be short lived if Trump wins because he will not be able to deliver on his promises.
That's a given! The President doesn't control US spending, not even US foreign policy, to the extent that he has free rein.
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Oct 30 2016, 10:50 PM
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Fair comment,.......... lots of people believed Billy Graham too.
Indeed..but they never found out until they were dead...sort of What I an getting at Rich is that when Trump fails to build a wall on the Mexican border ( paid for by Mexico),keep/create manufacturing jobs in the US by tearing up trade agreements and the rest of his raving looney party promises the people will not shrug it off. But you see, the American people are using Trump as a protest against what they see as an establishment that looks after itself, feeds the hoi polloi barely credible crumbs, is more interested in controlling the world (and in some respects that is no bad thing) rather than looking after the people who pay good money to put their trust in those that make very debatable decisions behind closed doors after promising an easy life if they get them into office.
Sounds a bit like the UK, to me.
Nothing changes other than Trump is not connected to any previous family or clan and that is what the Establishment are shit scared of.
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Oct 30 2016, 10:58 PM
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Hmmn, politics on both sides of the Pond seem very much between the devil and the deep blue sea - where is my tin hat?
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Oct 30 2016, 11:00 PM
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Indeed..but they never found out until they were dead...sort of What I an getting at Rich is that when Trump fails to build a wall on the Mexican border ( paid for by Mexico),keep/create manufacturing jobs in the US by tearing up trade agreements and the rest of his raving looney party promises the people will not shrug it off.
But you see, the American people are using Trump as a protest against what they see as an establishment that looks after itself, feeds the hoi polloi barely credible crumbs, is more interested in controlling the world (and in some respects that is no bad thing) rather than looking after the people who pay good money to put their trust in those that make very debatable decisions behind closed doors after promising an easy life if they get them into office. Sounds a bit like the UK, to me. Nothing changes other than Trump is not connected to any previous family or clan and that is what the Establishment are shit scared of. Or to use the old phrase
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Jeez the frying pan is hot, think I'll jump in the fire as it can't be worse
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Oct 30 2016, 11:01 PM
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Hmmn, politics on both sides of the Pond seem very much between the devil and the deep blue sea - where is my tin hat? It's in the Nissen hut Odders, are you suffering from dementia mate?
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Thankfully they have a senate so Trump wouldn't have free reign.... but I think Hillary has blown it.
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For weeks, BBC News along with channel four news and ITV news, along with our own luvvies, and some newspapers, including the Daily Mail have ben ridiculing Donald trump, the right wing candidate for the presidency of the USA. There was very little criticism of Hillary Clinton and her policies. It was always unwise fore the British People , News broadcasters and Newspapers to take sides on this issue, for it seems that Clinton has fallen at the last hurdle, or at least been severely hurt but the current reporting of her wrong doings. We still do not know what the result will be, and of course we have no say in the outcome, a good reason to remain neutral . This could be a lesson to us all to remain objective, and nail our colours to the mast. Events can make fools of us all. You are hardly being objective in referring to Clinton's "wrong doings".
It is just as likely to prove to be more right-wing dirty tricks, delivered at the right time to do the most damage.
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Oct 31 2016, 01:23 PM
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For weeks, BBC News along with channel four news and ITV news, along with our own luvvies, and some newspapers, including the Daily Mail have ben ridiculing Donald trump, the right wing candidate for the presidency of the USA. There was very little criticism of Hillary Clinton and her policies. It was always unwise fore the British People , News broadcasters and Newspapers to take sides on this issue, for it seems that Clinton has fallen at the last hurdle, or at least been severely hurt but the current reporting of her wrong doings. We still do not know what the result will be, and of course we have no say in the outcome, a good reason to remain neutral . This could be a lesson to us all to remain objective, and nail our colours to the mast. Events can make fools of us all.
You are hardly being objective in referring to Clinton's "wrong doings". It is just as likely to prove to be more right-wing dirty tricks, delivered at the right time to do the most damage. How can it be right wing tricks when the emails were found on Huma and Anthonys home lappy during the sexting investigation, and the title of the folder they were in if that is true, which so far I'm still dubious about is a bit of a shocker.
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But you see, the American people are using Trump as a protest against what they see as an establishment that looks after itself, feeds the hoi polloi barely credible crumbs, is more interested in controlling the world (and in some respects that is no bad thing) rather than looking after the people who pay good money to put their trust in those that make very debatable decisions behind closed doors after promising an easy life if they get them into office. Sounds a bit like the UK, to me. Nothing changes other than Trump is not connected to any previous family or clan and that is what the Establishment are shit scared of.
Or to use the old phrase - Idiot Voters
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Jeez the frying pan is hot, think I'll jump in the fire as it can't be worse
The people that leap from the top of the World trade towers didn't think so.
The choice was to die or to die on their own terms.
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Apart from being careless with her E mails; stupid, even, can anyone tell me what she has done wrong that would go even a fraction towards justifying Trump's accusations of criminality? She was silly to use a private server for official correspondence.....but apart from that??????
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For weeks, BBC News along with channel four news and ITV news, along with our own luvvies, and some newspapers, including the Daily Mail have ben ridiculing Donald trump, the right wing candidate for the presidency of the USA. There was very little criticism of Hillary Clinton and her policies. It was always unwise fore the British People , News broadcasters and Newspapers to take sides on this issue, for it seems that Clinton has fallen at the last hurdle, or at least been severely hurt but the current reporting of her wrong doings. We still do not know what the result will be, and of course we have no say in the outcome, a good reason to remain neutral . This could be a lesson to us all to remain objective, and nail our colours to the mast. Events can make fools of us all.
You are hardly being objective in referring to Clinton's "wrong doings". It is just as likely to prove to be more right-wing dirty tricks, delivered at the right time to do the most damage.
How can it be right wing tricks when the emails were found on Huma and Anthonys home lappy during the sexting investigation, and the title of the folder they were in if that is true, which so far I'm still dubious about is a bit of a shocker. The latest on the BBC news is that "the FBI has been accused of breaking the law by revealing that it is looking into Emails linked to Hilary Clinton". The plot thickens
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For weeks, BBC News along with channel four news and ITV news, along with our own luvvies, and some newspapers, including the Daily Mail have ben ridiculing Donald trump, the right wing candidate for the presidency of the USA. There was very little criticism of Hillary Clinton and her policies. It was always unwise fore the British People , News broadcasters and Newspapers to take sides on this issue, for it seems that Clinton has fallen at the last hurdle, or at least been severely hurt but the current reporting of her wrong doings. We still do not know what the result will be, and of course we have no say in the outcome, a good reason to remain neutral . This could be a lesson to us all to remain objective, and nail our colours to the mast. Events can make fools of us all.
You are hardly being objective in referring to Clinton's "wrong doings". It is just as likely to prove to be more right-wing dirty tricks, delivered at the right time to do the most damage.
How can it be right wing tricks when the emails were found on Huma and Anthonys home lappy during the sexting investigation, and the title of the folder they were in if that is true, which so far I'm still dubious about is a bit of a shocker. Well some sites are saying the folder was called 'Life Insurance'. And some sites are saying that story is a crock
Time for the FBI to make some statements. It really doesn't take long to trawl through what is said to be 600,000 emails when you have their resources.
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You may be right. There will be grave consequences as the United States and maybe other key parts of the world destablize because that seems to where it will go. The United State's national police force (the FBI) has just intervened in a Presidential election. There is nothing good about this situstion.
The intervention by the FBI is historically unprecedented, therefore there can only be two reasons why. Something very serious regarding Hillary Clinton. OR, A very large bank account being created somewhere in Switzerland. Or a bigwig in the FBI is a Trump supporter and decided to try to swing the election.
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There's a stench of corruption ....... at every level. Power no longer rests with the people imo
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How can it be right wing tricks when the emails were found on Huma and Anthonys home lappy during the sexting investigation, and the title of the folder they were in if that is true, which so far I'm still dubious about is a bit of a shocker.
The latest on the BBC news is that "the FBI has been accused of breaking the law by revealing that it is looking into Emails linked to Hilary Clinton". The plot thickens They are looking into the emails with the permission of a court order , and they are not granted without some substantiated evidence to prove that there is a case to answer. If it was not by lawful process, don't you think there would be an appeal against it.? We may be taking sides based on our own political POV, but I think it wise to look at the facts first. It is unlikely that Trumps bottom pinching and breast squeezing is going to do him as much damage as the alleged leaking of potentially damaging to the nation secret information by Clinton. The Commies are good at internet spying and computer hacking. After all her president husband was not adverse to a bit of groping in the oval office and that didn't harm him .
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oval office????is that what they call that part of the body these days?
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The latest on the BBC news is that "the FBI has been accused of breaking the law by revealing that it is looking into Emails linked to Hilary Clinton". The plot thickens
They are looking into the emails with the permission of a court order , and they are not granted without some substantiated evidence to prove that there is a case to answer. If it was not by lawful process, don't you think there would be an appeal against it.? We may be taking sides based on our own political POV, but I think it wise to look at the facts first. It is unlikely that Trumps bottom pinching and breast squeezing is going to do him as much damage as the alleged leaking of potentially damaging to the nation secret information by Clinton. The Commies are good at internet spying and computer hacking. After all her president husband was not adverse to a bit of groping in the oval office and that didn't harm him . There is apparently a law that prohibits statements by the FBI from making ongoing investigations public at a time when it can interfere with an election. If so, your 'once again' reasoning in an attempt to defend things to your own satisfaction, is wrong.
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They are looking into the emails with the permission of a court order , and they are not granted without some substantiated evidence to prove that there is a case to answer. If it was not by lawful process, don't you think there would be an appeal against it.? We may be taking sides based on our own political POV, but I think it wise to look at the facts first. It is unlikely that Trumps bottom pinching and breast squeezing is going to do him as much damage as the alleged leaking of potentially damaging to the nation secret information by Clinton. The Commies are good at internet spying and computer hacking. After all her president husband was not adverse to a bit of groping in the oval office and that didn't harm him .
There is apparently a law that prohibits statements by the FBI from making ongoing investigations public at a time when it can interfere with an election. If so, your 'once again' reasoning in an attempt to defend things to your own satisfaction, is wrong. It's the Hatch Act of 1939 and it's not as clear as that.
However the position of known Republican Comey may well be untenable if he really did go against Justice Dept advice having previously tried to block release of a statement (on Russian hacking) that would have brought adverse attention on Trump.
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They are looking into the emails with the permission of a court order , and they are not granted without some substantiated evidence to prove that there is a case to answer. If it was not by lawful process, don't you think there would be an appeal against it.? We may be taking sides based on our own political POV, but I think it wise to look at the facts first. It is unlikely that Trumps bottom pinching and breast squeezing is going to do him as much damage as the alleged leaking of potentially damaging to the nation secret information by Clinton. The Commies are good at internet spying and computer hacking. After all her president husband was not adverse to a bit of groping in the oval office and that didn't harm him .
There is apparently a law that prohibits statements by the FBI from making ongoing investigations public at a time when it can interfere with an election. If so, your 'once again' reasoning in an attempt to defend things to your own satisfaction, is wrong. What matters is what is to the satisfaction of the American people and who they vote for. My feelings and opinions don't count. Nor do yours so it is not a personal thing in my case.
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There is apparently a law that prohibits statements by the FBI from making ongoing investigations public at a time when it can interfere with an election. If so, your 'once again' reasoning in an attempt to defend things to your own satisfaction, is wrong.
It's the Hatch Act of 1939 and it's not as clear as that. However the position of known Republican Comey may well be untenable if he really did go against Justice Dept advice having previously tried to block release of a statement (on Russian hacking) that would have brought adverse attention on Trump. If allegations have been made he is duty bound to investigate the matter and the time scale does matter. If he continues with his investigations and finds nothing wrong and Clinton is elected it will strengthen her position, if he discovers that there is something wrong the people will be misled if he does nothing. He is obviously between a rock and a hard placed. The only fair solution is to delay the election until everything is sorted, but that is not going to happen for it is already in progress with votes already cast. If there is some proof of wrongdoing and he fails to investigate, that can also be claimed to be a biased position. He is wrong if he does and wrong if he doesn't, so best just get on with it.
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If allegations have been made he is duty bound to investigate the matter ................... If there is some proof of wrongdoing and he fails to investigate, that can also be claimed to be a biased position. He is wrong if he does and wrong if he doesn't, so best just get on with it.
Does hypocrisy not bother you?
You do not hold such high standards of duty and obligation here fore the miners at Orgreave.
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It's the Hatch Act of 1939 and it's not as clear as that. However the position of known Republican Comey may well be untenable if he really did go against Justice Dept advice having previously tried to block release of a statement (on Russian hacking) that would have brought adverse attention on Trump.
If allegations have been made he is duty bound to investigate the matter and the time scale does matter. If he continues with his investigations and finds nothing wrong and Clinton is elected it will strengthen her position, if he discovers that there is something wrong the people will be misled if he does nothing. He is obviously between a rock and a hard placed. The only fair solution is to delay the election until everything is sorted, but that is not going to happen for it is already in progress with votes already cast. If there is some proof of wrongdoing and he fails to investigate, that can also be claimed to be a biased position. He is wrong if he does and wrong if he doesn't, so best just get on with it. Big difference between 'investigate' and 'announce as prejudicially and prominently as possible and then investigate'
As you full well know
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If allegations have been made he is duty bound to investigate the matter and the time scale does matter. If he continues with his investigations and finds nothing wrong and Clinton is elected it will strengthen her position, if he discovers that there is something wrong the people will be misled if he does nothing. He is obviously between a rock and a hard placed. The only fair solution is to delay the election until everything is sorted, but that is not going to happen for it is already in progress with votes already cast. If there is some proof of wrongdoing and he fails to investigate, that can also be claimed to be a biased position. He is wrong if he does and wrong if he doesn't, so best just get on with it.
Big difference between 'investigate' and 'announce as prejudicially and prominently as possible and then investigate' As you full well know Do those who object to the investigation have something to hide, or are so partisan in their judgement that the do not want it held?
Who wants Trump to win?
Who wants Clinton to win?
Who doesn't care one way or the other?.
Who thinks it is a stitch up? {evidence required}
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Big difference between 'investigate' and 'announce as prejudicially and prominently as possible and then investigate' As you full well know
Do those who object to the investigation have something to hide, or are so partisan in their judgement that the do not want it held? Who wants Trump to win? Who wants Clinton to win? Who doesn't care one way or the other?. Who thinks it is a stitch up? {evidence required} Oh look diversion ^
No one has objected to investigation, that's a false line you are pursuing. Can you tell us why you so do?
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If allegations have been made he is duty bound to investigate the matter and the time scale does matter. If he continues with his investigations and finds nothing wrong and Clinton is elected it will strengthen her position, if he discovers that there is something wrong the people will be misled if he does nothing. He is obviously between a rock and a hard placed. The only fair solution is to delay the election until everything is sorted, but that is not going to happen for it is already in progress with votes already cast. If there is some proof of wrongdoing and he fails to investigate, that can also be claimed to be a biased position. He is wrong if he does and wrong if he doesn't, so best just get on with it.
Big difference between 'investigate' and 'announce as prejudicially and prominently as possible and then investigate' As you full well know How can it be done any other way Steve when you have a free press and investigative journalists with open ears.? If there is truth in the allegations wouldn't it be wrong not to announce them just as it would be if they were found not to be? The reality of ,what is, has to be faced. This is not going to stop after the election, no matter who is elected.
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Do those who object to the investigation have something to hide, or are so partisan in their judgement that the do not want it held? Who wants Trump to win? Who wants Clinton to win? Who doesn't care one way or the other?. Who thinks it is a stitch up? {evidence required}
Oh look diversion ^ No one has objected to investigation, that's a false line you are pursuing. Can you tell us why you so do? They are just open questions not statements of fact. Whats the problem?
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Big difference between 'investigate' and 'announce as prejudicially and prominently as possible and then investigate' As you full well know
How can it be done any other way Steve when you have a free press and investigative journalists with open ears.? If there is truth in the allegations wouldn't it be wrong not to announce them just as it would be if they were found not to be? The reality of ,what is, has to be faced. This is not going to stop after the election, no matter who is elected. And there we were thinking you were experienced in police matters
You get the warrant to search Weiner's PC and you search it. IF and only IF you find new evidence relating to another matter do you make such a public announcement in favour of your political party colleague
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Do those who object to the investigation have something to hide, or are so partisan in their judgement that the do not want it held? Who wants Trump to win? Who wants Clinton to win? Who doesn't care one way or the other?. Who thinks it is a stitch up? {evidence required}
Oh look diversion ^ No one has objected to investigation, that's a false line you are pursuing. Can you tell us why you so do? If wrongdoing is proved will you take a different POV? Isn't that possibility important ? Don't all parties in our modern world seek to blacken the name of their opponents, seek to demonise them in some way? Recent post lead me to believe that is the intent of some posters here. Its a catch 22 situation for the investigators. IMO
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