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| Topic Started: Oct 30 2016, 09:58 AM (2,276 Views) | |
| Tytoalba | Oct 30 2016, 09:58 AM Post #1 |
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For weeks, BBC News along with channel four news and ITV news, along with our own luvvies, and some newspapers, including the Daily Mail have ben ridiculing Donald trump, the right wing candidate for the presidency of the USA. There was very little criticism of Hillary Clinton and her policies. It was always unwise fore the British People , News broadcasters and Newspapers to take sides on this issue, for it seems that Clinton has fallen at the last hurdle, or at least been severely hurt but the current reporting of her wrong doings. We still do not know what the result will be, and of course we have no say in the outcome, a good reason to remain neutral . This could be a lesson to us all to remain objective, and nail our colours to the mast. Events can make fools of us all. |
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| Cymru | Nov 10 2016, 10:39 AM Post #161 |
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What's more the only intolerance we are seeing is coming from the Clinton supporting Social Justice Warriors who, unable to take defeat, are taking to the streets like cry babies to protest just like they did with Brexit. Their media friends are even calling for the effective silencing of certain demographics (in this instance white working class males) because the concerns of this group are apparently not worthy enough for their consideration (i.e. they get in the way of their agenda). Misogyny won the US election – let’s stop indulging angry white men Make no mistake about it this is the real face of progressivism. Hateful bourgeois degenerates who consider anything outside their cosmopolitan worldview to be nothing short of dissidence and sneer at the rest of us who have to live with the disastrous consequences of their mad ideology whilst they conveniently avoid it all in their walled off communities, gentrified urban locales and rural village retreats. They have become the elitists that they once disdained and have consequently lost contact with the real world of the ordinary people they supposedly champion yet can't bear to live amongst. Better the hoi polloi continue to suffer in their place instead. Oh and if the masses dare have the audacity to complain about this state of affairs then just point out that they are the ones at fault because they are 'racist', 'sexist', 'homophobic', 'Islamophobic', blah blah blah. The world these progressives have created is crumbling, everywhere they are now the ones who are on the defensive, they are the ones having to justify their stances, having their entire core beliefs questioned like they never have before. Their usual tricks to subvert and oppress their opponents no longer work. The two most powerful Western countries used by these people as the policemen for their globalist sickness have fallen to their opponents and what's left is now firmly in their opponent's sights as well. Edited by Cymru, Nov 10 2016, 12:50 PM.
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| Lewis | Nov 10 2016, 11:37 AM Post #162 |
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I wasn't whinging about the voting system in the US, but quite rightly making an observation based on fact. The only thing that I could do in the UK is vote in favour of the alternative voting system that wasn't sanctioned by the electorate. Yes I do think that the first past the post system is unfair but it is what we are stuck with. So rather than whine at me, write something constructive. |
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| C-too | Nov 10 2016, 03:16 PM Post #163 |
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I will always expose extremism whenever I see it, I wonder why you do not like extremism to be exposed You have shown some extremists tendencies in some of your posts, and your aggressive response to my highlighting extremism suggests you might just be defending your own extremism (without recognising it). I could be wrong but no doubt your future posts will reveal your true position. The internet gives many people the opportunity to air there extremist views, and as they are often the empty cans that make the most noise, they could turn out to be quite influential. Remember, extremism doesn't look like or feel like extremism to the extremist. |
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| ranger121 | Nov 10 2016, 05:11 PM Post #164 |
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Can we discuss the topic at hand please, and not the individual's approach to debate? |
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| Affa | Nov 10 2016, 05:14 PM Post #165 |
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I don't see how (Trump) putting America, and Americans, first can translate to him favouring the UK in any shape or form. What I do see happening is our Government selling off more of public services to Wall St fund managers ...... starting with the NHS. |
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| C-too | Nov 10 2016, 05:36 PM Post #166 |
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By all means, I have to admit that I do have something of a weakness at times in that I respond to insults. |
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| ranger121 | Nov 10 2016, 06:35 PM Post #167 |
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As the Simpsons rather cleverly predicted the outcome, I also think that Donald Trump's possible demise has also been predicted. Skip to 1:30 to see Slim Pickens (a Donald Trump look-alike) portray a likely outcome.
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| RoofGardener | Nov 10 2016, 08:36 PM Post #168 |
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OH shush Ranger121... Donald Trump looks NOTHING like Slim Pickings !
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| ranger121 | Nov 10 2016, 08:46 PM Post #169 |
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He probably has the wig on the wrong way round, which could easily be corrected. |
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| Jessamy Bride | Nov 10 2016, 08:53 PM Post #170 |
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I wonder if he'll leave the running of the country to Mike Spence whilst he wafts about. He's a bit of an actor...... and statesman is the next thing in his sights. ..........but actually he doesn't concentrate very well so the day to day stuff may be a bit tedious. Maybe not such a bad thing if that was the case. |
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| ranger121 | Nov 10 2016, 09:05 PM Post #171 |
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All presidents have massive staffing to deal with the day-to-day admin of the Office. His promise to build this wall might be interesting. I'm sure there's a 'Pinky' (Mike Spense) and 'The Brain' (DJ Trump) episode that covers it. |
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| Pro Veritas | Nov 10 2016, 09:11 PM Post #172 |
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Mike Pence must be a borderline window-licker if in that partnership Trump gets to be The Brain. All The Best |
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| xosg | Nov 10 2016, 09:13 PM Post #173 |
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For once I agree with you a very sensible view
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| xosg | Nov 10 2016, 09:15 PM Post #174 |
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| Phoenix One UK | Nov 10 2016, 09:39 PM Post #175 |
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Highly recommend this one.
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| xosg | Nov 11 2016, 12:02 AM Post #176 |
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NO not really, just confronting you with a question you don't like. Tell me how you know this about the people who voted for Trump. Edited by johnofgwent, Nov 11 2016, 12:28 PM.
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| Tytoalba | Nov 11 2016, 12:08 AM Post #177 |
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Spot on. The idealistic liberal left need to take note, for those they call right wing, middle class, racists, xenophobic, homophobic, anti multiculturism anti PC , anti everything they seem to stand for, and whom they insult and look down upon from their ivory towers, keep winning the arguments. They are not really any of those things, but ordinary people with their own POV, who are not allowed to freely express their opinions, but will do so the best way they can and that is through the ballot box. Brexit won, and so has Trump, Farrage , and no doubt in time Le Pen and others in the EU states. May is listening and understanding IMO We have two eyes,,two ears, and just the one mouth. Best use them in that order . |
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| Affa | Nov 11 2016, 12:15 AM Post #178 |
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Sorry! If debate, honest argument, and facts are not enough to persuade posters of the error of their ways Joe Bloggs is going to take ef-all notice as well. When TV pundits start telling it as it is, when they ask awkward questions and demand answers, when they call BS, BS, only then will there be a change - it aint never going to happen! Edited by Affa, Nov 11 2016, 12:16 AM.
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| Deleted User | Nov 11 2016, 06:13 AM Post #179 |
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| C-too | Nov 11 2016, 07:29 AM Post #180 |
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Extremists views should be outed, after all we really don't want people fooling themselves and attempting to fool others at the same time do we. IMO Farage is such a case, and I suspect Trump is also. Edited by C-too, Nov 11 2016, 07:36 AM.
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| johnofgwent | Nov 11 2016, 08:19 AM Post #181 |
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![]() EDIT All of lewis' rule breaking ad Homs removed Thread reopened, lewis stays banned till I check out the rest of his posts on other threads Any objections to my deletion of these and other ad home and rewarding ad hommers with instant bans ? Fine. Close the door on your way out to another forum. Best create your own as few I know would not ban you for what I've seen in here Edited by johnofgwent, Nov 11 2016, 03:36 PM.
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| johnofgwent | Nov 11 2016, 12:45 PM Post #182 |
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It .. It is GREEN !!
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In this country that would be a serious breach of the official secrets acts and our data protection laws. I can't believe a post assange wikileaks USA doesn't have the same now and I bet it had it then... |
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| krugerman | Nov 11 2016, 01:13 PM Post #183 |
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What gladens my heart in what I see as dark times for us, for America, for Europe and the world, is the fact that the protests in the United States have now got some real legitimacy on their side. The final tally of votes cast in the US election is 47.3 for Trump and 47.6 for Clinton 60,116,240 60,556,142 Clinton gained over 400,000 more votes than Trump, the American electoral system is the same as ours, very seriously flawed, and to think that we tell other countries to be democratic. Keep up the good fight - for justice is on your side |
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| ACH1967 | Nov 11 2016, 02:07 PM Post #184 |
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And would you be making this point if Hillary had won in the same way? |
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| Oddball | Nov 11 2016, 02:37 PM Post #185 |
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Probably not, just like Trump didn't moan, to be honest they only feel things are unfair if they do not go their way. |
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| AndyK | Nov 11 2016, 03:18 PM Post #186 |
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This should have its own thread, but I'd probably get told off if I did that. Everyone should be watch this video, there are some home truths..... |
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| johnofgwent | Nov 11 2016, 03:39 PM Post #187 |
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Were you this critical of the American collegiate system in the past I see the sore losers have now turned violent. |
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| Tytoalba | Nov 11 2016, 04:15 PM Post #188 |
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We always come back to the same starting point. Who defines what is extremist and who decides to ban others free speech by claiming it is extreme? Would they not in in turn be extremists? Orwell mentions that “in a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act” In the society of 1984, the Party allowed such a large amount of information to be forgotten that truth hardly existed anymore. Even a type of censorship that may simply hide the truth, rather than hiding it, is just as harmful as it can eliminate the idea of “truth”. Since information is constantly being hidden and forgotten, the citizens completely lose the sense of what is fact and what is not. Don't you think that extremist attitudes can be overcome by reason and argument, or are we afraid of hearing what is really in peoples thoughts? |
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| Tytoalba | Nov 11 2016, 04:21 PM Post #189 |
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You know that the approved system in the USA does not work that way., The system in place was designed by the founding fathers for the sake of fairness and is the system bot h sides have accepted and agreed to. I have just pushed the goalposts back from where you tried to move them
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| Phoenix One UK | Nov 11 2016, 04:30 PM Post #190 |
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Here is another that is going viral. So much for politics being boring.
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| Affa | Nov 11 2016, 04:46 PM Post #191 |
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Has Rich stolen your account? It doesn't make an iota of difference to what was stated had the reverse situation been declared. We have a President elect who has not attained a majority vote. We here have never had a PM that had a majority of support in the electorate. It isn't a true Democracy here or now there. |
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| Tytoalba | Nov 11 2016, 04:58 PM Post #192 |
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Aint it de truth? The very people protesting about Trump saying he would not accept the result of the election, and saying he should when they thought Clinton would win, are now the very people saying they will not accept it. The commentator better shut up before his free speech is curtailed by the politically correct. Here is the follow up for all true democrats to take not of. It includes a reference to Brexit, where the remainers are trying to overthrow the will of the majority by any means. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWB9NtEBvHQ |
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| Tytoalba | Nov 11 2016, 05:00 PM Post #193 |
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Was it true democracy that Brexit won by a majority and the decision should stand? |
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| Phoenix One UK | Nov 11 2016, 05:07 PM Post #194 |
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No links this time. Just taking time out from playing the Elder Scrolls online. Glad I did too. Couldn't stop laughing from what I am seeing the media churning out. Thank heaven for the Internet, which supplies the means to bypass the BS and propaganda. Hmm, this is not a true democracy? What does that make the EU? Did you note that there are calls in USA by some to ignore the vote? Now, where have I heard that before! For those interested, I do not understand much about USA presidential elections, and said as much within a USA debate forum not long ago. However, I did form an opinion on who I believed would be the best USA President... Berie Saunders. The Democrats should had stuck with him instead of resorting to voting fraud to have Clinton. Just an opinion, and I am not about to tell the yanks who they should vote for. Now, where did I put my popcorn. Going surfing for more fun.
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| C-too | Nov 11 2016, 05:16 PM Post #195 |
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Who is suggesting the banning of free speech ? Extremists are not always 100% wrong and non-extremists are not always 100% right. IMO a lack of moderation (as we were forewarned by Farage/Von Rompuy) might be seen as the problem with extremists. An excess of moderation might be seen as the problem with non-extremists. An inability to take an objective approach to, along with the preference for fixed opinions on matters, is IMO a serious weakness. Both of these faults seem to increase the further one travels from the centre of politics and into areas were ideologies begin to dominate reason. Extremism is found to the left of and to the right of the centre of politics. Extremism is not recognised as extreme by extremists |
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| Phoenix One UK | Nov 11 2016, 05:51 PM Post #196 |
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Thanks for link. Just got through watching it. I agree that the people are waking up with many beginning to see the scale of how they have been manipulated. For the most part most appear to be ignoring the media and press, as it should be. Common sense will in the end prevail. The best way for that to happen is get people talking. Matter not if they agree or not, as nothing will ever be resolved without some level of understanding of why others disagree with you. Hell, it happened often enough to me. A comment within any newspaper is just that, a comment, an opinion, and is certainly not a debate forum. It is also often forgotten that such articles contained therein are largely opinions of author who would already be biased because nobody could write or say anything without forming their own opinion on subject matter, and that without even considering the propaganda or orders by their own employers on how to slant anything. People debating the issues is the best way forward. As I said, it matters not whether they agree or not. What does matter is they may consider your view point, and actually take the time to investigate if there is any substance to what you say. When I started as an anti EU activist I was in the minority. I coped every insult you can imagine for years, but slowly, and surely, I moved from becoming a minority on Brexit to being in the majority. I firmly believe people are not stupid. They are being kept ignorant on many issues, but more and more are investigating what they are told with what they see. We are seeing the result on both sides of the pond. |
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| Jus | Nov 11 2016, 06:43 PM Post #197 |
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The media and the "talking heads" pretty much said Brexit and Trump were stupid Ideas. If a democracy chooses otherwise does that mean the "Intelligensia" was wrong or just on the loosing side? |
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| Phoenix One UK | Nov 11 2016, 07:03 PM Post #198 |
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I believe most reading this would know of the attempts to halt Brexit, and how such attempts are hoping to succeed. Would you believe the same is happening to stop Trump becoming the USA's 45th President? I neither hate nor like Trump. Hell, I do not know him, and I refuse to form such an opinion solely based on what is published or broadcasted about him. What I do know is that he was democratically elected by the American people. You either believe in democracy or you do not. And I really do not care if you like him or not. He was elected President, and that should stand. |
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| johnofgwent | Nov 11 2016, 07:11 PM Post #199 |
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As has been said, the Americans don't do things that way. Tell you what, if you feel so worked up, go sign the change.org petition demanding the collegiate become faithless electors and vote Clinton for president off the back of your ideas here put. I'll buy some popcorn, and make bloody sure the pops don't sound like gunfire ... |
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| Jus | Nov 11 2016, 07:19 PM Post #200 |
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He's certainly achieved the unlikely success of being disliked but voted for . Was Hillary that bad an option? I can't pretend I know much about Obama healthcare and other real Issues that would have swayed the electorate. How the fuck did he pull that one off ? |
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