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| Topic Started: Oct 30 2016, 09:58 AM (2,275 Views) | |
| Tytoalba | Oct 30 2016, 09:58 AM Post #1 |
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For weeks, BBC News along with channel four news and ITV news, along with our own luvvies, and some newspapers, including the Daily Mail have ben ridiculing Donald trump, the right wing candidate for the presidency of the USA. There was very little criticism of Hillary Clinton and her policies. It was always unwise fore the British People , News broadcasters and Newspapers to take sides on this issue, for it seems that Clinton has fallen at the last hurdle, or at least been severely hurt but the current reporting of her wrong doings. We still do not know what the result will be, and of course we have no say in the outcome, a good reason to remain neutral . This could be a lesson to us all to remain objective, and nail our colours to the mast. Events can make fools of us all. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 11 2016, 09:06 PM Post #201 |
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Fuck the BBC the wankers! Sorry for outburst newsnight Trump special just triggered me. They really are not going to learn are they. Thank fuck the internet is killing them. Just wish they would die quicker. |
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| Tigger | Nov 11 2016, 09:43 PM Post #202 |
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Another one who can't handle information he doesn't agree with! As for Trump all I'm currently seeing is another attempt at trickle down economics on the horizon, if you think America is angry now just wait and see how this pans out........... |
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| Deleted User | Nov 11 2016, 09:50 PM Post #203 |
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Did you watch it Tig? |
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| AndyK | Nov 11 2016, 10:37 PM Post #204 |
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As was pointed out, like Brexit, everything will be bought to bear to try to derail whatever he attempts. |
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| Tytoalba | Nov 11 2016, 10:49 PM Post #205 |
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I do not think it matters if our politicians are liked or disliked on a personal basis. What matters is the approval of their plans and policies and how they put them into effect. I think there are signs already that Trump is a pragmatist, but will do what needs to be done. |
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| C-too | Nov 11 2016, 11:56 PM Post #206 |
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Talking heads! I thought you had some respect for the two gobsh*tes
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| Gnikkk | Nov 12 2016, 07:10 AM Post #207 |
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Exactly, recall the riots after the last GE, the hysteria after Brexit. Here we are again, will they ever get it? Problem, problem, problem, the problem is you, ... (JR) |
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| C-too | Nov 12 2016, 08:07 AM Post #208 |
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According to the BBC Trump will keep parts of Obama's health care reform despite pledging to abolish them altogether. The difference between the pre-election, 'vote for me', rhetoric, and the post election reality. Is this would be lion beginning to turn tail ? |
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| scorpio | Nov 12 2016, 08:29 AM Post #209 |
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For the sake of the US lower paid and poorer people I would like to see Obamacare retained. To me its more important to the health, and wellbeing of those people, than a political football. If a watered down version is not possible, then a real alternative needs to replace it. However Trump has a battle on his hands. There are hard nosed anti Obamacare republicans, in the House of Representatives, that see only the politics of it, and would oppose any suggestion of its continuance in any form. Trump would have to convince them. |
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| Dan1989 | Nov 12 2016, 10:09 AM Post #210 |
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It needed to be changed, it was hitting the middle class the hardest, because they weren't covered by it, so their premiums rose to cover the cost of the health act. To be fair what they are keeping sounds like a good thing, you get rid of most of it, but he's thinking of keeping couple parts of it, where private companies can not refuse, because certain jobs aren't normally covered, there's people who make a living off Youtube and the common complaint is that most health insurers don't cover them. |
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| Tytoalba | Nov 12 2016, 11:07 AM Post #211 |
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Just pragmatism at work. I am a great fan of the pragmatic approach where it works. He has won the Presidency and can now afford to be magnanimous, unlike those opposed to him. Their behaviour is shameful. |
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| C-too | Nov 12 2016, 11:19 AM Post #212 |
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But Trumps pre-election, no bones about it outright lies, are not shameful ?
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| Rich | Nov 12 2016, 11:52 AM Post #213 |
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Can you name me any one single would be government/political wannabee that has actually stuck rigidly to their pre election promises? Get real. I have repeatedly said that manifestos should be legally binding once office has been attained and have repeatedly been told that that is not being realistic and would be impracticable. So either I am right or all the people whingeing about Trump rowing back on his promises are right......but we cannot have it both ways.....can we? |
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| johnofgwent | Nov 12 2016, 11:56 AM Post #214 |
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No more so than any other politician's statements to camera Like for example "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" I love the way the clintonistas are preparing to impeach the president elect for things he did in his past while of course turning a blind eye to the things their man did in the fucking oval office while the secret service stood guard .... |
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| johnofgwent | Nov 12 2016, 12:02 PM Post #215 |
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Well I recall some chap called Guido Fawkes who is rumoured to have at least tried to carry out, within the precint of the palace of westminster, the deeds he declared he would upon entry thereto. But he's about the only one that comes to mind I am far more interested in Trump's recent twatterings (which clearly ae not his twatterings at all any more). His social media reaction yesterday to the escalation to violence by those who did not vote for him and are now pissed off at his success was predictable, Much less his style was the later release of the twatter "praising their passion for their country" He's clearly hired someone. A shame they made it so obvious ... |
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| xosg | Nov 12 2016, 12:09 PM Post #216 |
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Well it just goes to show how much the people think like him then doesn't it.Having swallowed the liberal BS for the last 50 years are finally waking up Nice to see the suppressed anger of 50 years finally waking up,don't you think ? Edited by xosg, Nov 12 2016, 12:11 PM.
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| C-too | Nov 12 2016, 12:10 PM Post #217 |
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Name me one pre-election PROMISE that a UK government has not stuck rigidly to ? Manifestoes are neither legally binding nor are they a promise. They are an indication of the intended direction a party will take the country in if elected. Trump made a direct statement that he would trash Obama's medic plan if he became President. A very different position to a manifesto. So who needs to get real ? |
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| C-too | Nov 12 2016, 12:12 PM Post #218 |
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And decided to swallow Trump's bullshit instead Looks more like sleep walking to me.
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| xosg | Nov 12 2016, 12:13 PM Post #219 |
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What are you quoting Obamacare for ? He's not even in the white house yet for gods sake. |
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| xosg | Nov 12 2016, 12:14 PM Post #220 |
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Well they been doing that for the last 50 years. Whats another four going to make |
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| C-too | Nov 12 2016, 12:16 PM Post #221 |
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Sex as apposed to screwing people. I think I would draw a line in there somewhere. |
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| C-too | Nov 12 2016, 12:17 PM Post #222 |
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Read the post, I'm quoting Trump. |
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| C-too | Nov 12 2016, 12:19 PM Post #223 |
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We will have to wait and see won't we ? |
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| xosg | Nov 12 2016, 12:26 PM Post #224 |
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I did. Lets see what he will do hey,rather than summising at every turn. I mean you don't have a very good track record for summising you and your liberal friends do you ? Brexit and Trump come to mind |
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| xosg | Nov 12 2016, 12:28 PM Post #225 |
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W hat is it, I heard somewhere,can't remember now. That Clinton won the popular vote 47.7% to 47.3% I think,so she should be president. Is there nothing these people will not grasp at to get their own way. |
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| johnofgwent | Nov 12 2016, 12:59 PM Post #226 |
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Are you sure that helps your argument ? I'm having problems thinking up just one any government elected in any election I've voted in DID stick to ... |
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| ranger121 | Nov 12 2016, 02:16 PM Post #227 |
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Who is it manipulating the numbers to somehow prove that the electoral system is wrong, that the way that the winner is elected is wrong, and all this merely because the candidate they have supported has lost? I assume the argument would not be forwarded had the result gone the other way. Well, actually, Trump declared at one point that if he lost it would be because of a fiddle. Is Hilary herself questioning the legality of the vote? |
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| Alberich | Nov 12 2016, 02:53 PM Post #228 |
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I am amazed at the various attempts by some people (who should know better) to justify the rioting, and the refusal of the left to accept the results of their presidential election. THAT should be the main worry; not the fact that someone like Trump has been elected to the White House. I don't like Trump, or what he stands for, but the rules governing the election have been in place for a long time, and everyone knows how the electoral college system works. And under that system, Trump has won fair and square, as they say. Argue against his policies. Write protests to your congressman. Twitter to your hearts content. Emigrate, if you feel so strongly about it. But stop trying to pretend that street violence against a democratic election result is somehow justified because your side lost. It isn't; nor can it ever be. |
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| C-too | Nov 12 2016, 03:03 PM Post #229 |
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Quotes or questions are not summaries. In both Trump and Brexit I have said we will have to wait and see, so I'm clearly not summarising in either case. |
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| C-too | Nov 12 2016, 03:18 PM Post #230 |
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I don't attempt to justify what is happening, but a thought did occur to me, I do not recall anything like the present situation after any other presidential election in recent history. Somehow I get the impression that Trump, is perhaps seen by a majority of Americans in the same way I see him. IMO dishonesty and deviousness oozes out of this man just about every time he opens his mouth. I get the impression he would have outshone Al Capone as a mafia leader. He appears to have divided America in a way no other president has quite managed, and there have been some seriously bad presidents in the past. |
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| Cymru | Nov 12 2016, 03:23 PM Post #231 |
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The anti-Trump protests have all the whiff of a Soros-funded colour revolution. Fortunately they won't succeed. |
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| C-too | Nov 12 2016, 03:25 PM Post #232 |
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My argument is that Trump clearly lied. As far as I can tell there is no argument against that. Nor is there anything to show that a manifesto is a promise. I recall John Prescott holding up a card with 5 commitments made by NL all of which had been delivered. |
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| C-too | Nov 12 2016, 03:38 PM Post #233 |
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Soros might be an uber Democrat but he would have to be a dumbo to create riots in the street. And a super dumbo to think --- be prepared because we will have to start a revolution if Trump wins. I don't think he became a billionaire by being a dumbo. |
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| Rich | Nov 12 2016, 04:23 PM Post #234 |
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But surely, you must give credence to the independent thinking people who voted either way, after all, it was THEY who determined the outcome, no one was forced to vote for either participant. Let us suppose for the sake of argument, that both candidates promised the same things. The only difference then would be gender, so if one was chosen in preference to the other would the winning voters then be called sexist? A lot of people were "hoodwinked" by Billy Graham, were they gullible or was he making false promises? The middle classes and "forgottenclass" all across the western world are becoming more aware of the fact that they have been used by big business and elitist arrogant politicians and basically they have had enough of the status quo and are willing to take a risk as it can be no worse for them. |
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| xosg | Nov 12 2016, 04:41 PM Post #235 |
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Well her supporters seem to be. |
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| xosg | Nov 12 2016, 04:52 PM Post #236 |
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And an awful lot,pretty much the same count see it differently. I hear what you say about "wait and see " and I agree. He is bucking the system so to speak, you must be mad to think the ruling classes, the George soros,the establishments of the world are going to lose their grip on power and manipulation that easy. We all know the paid activists will be out in force fanning the flames of dissent and so does Trump. After all I don't think he is a stupid man. He hit a raw nerve and said exactly what people were thinking regarding immigration,protectionism and military.That is why he WON and she LOST. I also think he won because he told his supporters to go out and watch the polling machines and to demand paper ballots which I think had a lot to do with the right result being declared.Besides he didn't just beat her,he kicked her arse with the electoral college. |
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| xosg | Nov 12 2016, 04:54 PM Post #237 |
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Of course it does and of course they won't. Just like Brexit |
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| xosg | Nov 12 2016, 04:57 PM Post #238 |
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Nor did Trump. If I was soros I would be very careful in what I do and what I fund in future because Trump being the new POTUS, Soros is not in the same league. My guess is soros will not be around much longer,for whatever reason |
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| C-too | Nov 12 2016, 05:09 PM Post #239 |
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If I thought people were reasonable I might have a different approach, but I think Trump, like Thatcher, appealed to the worse aspects of the human character. As a reasonable effort at rationalising your post makes some sense, but it doesn't change the reality of the situation one iota. It is what it is, the only hope Trump supporters have is that he makes a reasonable job as President. |
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| C-too | Nov 12 2016, 05:17 PM Post #240 |
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I know more about Trump than I know about Soros. Whether or not Soros is as devious and as calculating as Trump I don't know, but I am aware that Trump left a load of investors losing an awful lot of money. He still reminds me of a devious Al Capone type. Edited by C-too, Nov 12 2016, 05:20 PM.
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