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USA Presidential Election; Combined two topics
Topic Started: Oct 30 2016, 09:58 AM (2,274 Views)
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For weeks, BBC News along with channel four news and ITV news, along with our own luvvies, and some newspapers, including the Daily Mail have ben ridiculing Donald trump, the right wing candidate for the presidency of the USA.
There was very little criticism of Hillary Clinton and her policies. It was always unwise fore the British People , News broadcasters and Newspapers to take sides on this issue, for it seems that Clinton has fallen at the last hurdle, or at least been severely hurt but the current reporting of her wrong doings. We still do not know what the result will be, and of course we have no say in the outcome, a good reason to remain neutral . This could be a lesson to us all to remain objective, and nail our colours to the mast.
Events can make fools of us all.
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Nov 12 2016, 03:03 PM
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Nov 12 2016, 12:26 PM
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Nov 12 2016, 12:17 PM

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I did. Lets see what he will do hey,rather than summising at every turn. I mean you don't have a very good track record for summising you and your liberal friends do you ?
Brexit and Trump come to mind
Quotes or questions are not summaries.

In both Trump and Brexit I have said we will have to wait and see, so I'm clearly not summarising in either case.
Our people voted for Brexit..overwhelmingly...America has voted for Trump..what's the problem???
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The anti-Trump protests have all the whiff of a Soros-funded colour revolution.

Fortunately they won't succeed.
Of course it does and of course they won't. Just like Brexit
Soros funding a revolution. LA LA LAND THINKING.
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Nov 12 2016, 05:21 PM
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Nov 12 2016, 12:26 PM

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Quotes or questions are not summaries.

In both Trump and Brexit I have said we will have to wait and see, so I'm clearly not summarising in either case.
Our people voted for Brexit..overwhelmingly...America has voted for Trump..what's the problem???
The problem seems to be that there has never, to my knowledge, been such a violent reaction to a Presidential result as the one we are now witnessing.

There must be a reason, there must be something different taking place.
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Nov 12 2016, 05:25 PM

There must be a reason, there must be something different taking place.

A divided nation!
Like never before ....... I find it hard to see Trump as truly Republican. His ideas are not compatible with traditional Republican ideals.
He appeals to those that are not hooked on either party.

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Nov 12 2016, 05:33 PM
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Nov 12 2016, 05:25 PM

There must be a reason, there must be something different taking place.

A divided nation!
Like never before ....... I find it hard to see Trump as truly Republican. His ideas are not compatible with traditional Republican ideals.
He appeals to those that are not hooked on either party.

Perhaps it is time that the Yanks had more choice than a two party system and this may even be the start of them changing their political outlook...is that such a bad thing?

I think it is a good thing that politicians should not be able to rely on a vote anymore but should be made to "earn their stripes", actions speak louder than words.
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Nor did Trump. If I was soros I would be very careful in what I do and what I fund in future because Trump being the new POTUS, Soros is not in the same league. My guess is soros will not be around much longer,for whatever reason
I know more about Trump than I know about Soros.

Whether or not Soros is as devious and as calculating as Trump I don't know, but I am aware that Trump left a load of investors losing an awful lot of money. He still reminds me of a devious Al Capone type.

That is what every smart bussiness man has to do at some stage. Go look at Branson and every other billionaire and if you delve deep enough you will find lots of bankrupt companies,that is not callous it is what is called smart business if you want to get on and succeed in a dog eat dog world.Stop being selective in your hatred for the man and judge them all on the same par.
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It appears that Jean Claude Juncker - the President of the European Commission - has waded in, suggesting that the election result could significantly threaten EU-US relations, as well as security.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37957673

Well, we know who voted for Donald Trump. Remind me again, who voted for JC Juncker ?

On a separate note; ARE violent protests unusual during (or after) US Presidential elections ? I'm not convinced that this is the case, nor that this is "the most divisive" presidential election.

There was an interesting article on the ABC website suggesting that neither are true, but I lost interest when it suddenly started popping up unsolicited auto-play video clips at me.
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Nov 12 2016, 06:23 PM
It appears that Jean Claude Juncker - the President of the European Commission - has waded in, suggesting that the election result could significantly threaten EU-US relations, as well as security.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37957673

Well, we know who voted for Donald Trump. Remind me again, who voted for JC Juncker ?

On a separate note; ARE violent protests unusual during (or after) US Presidential elections ? I'm not convinced that this is the case, nor that this is "the most divisive" presidential election.

There was an interesting article on the ABC website suggesting that neither are true, but I lost interest when it suddenly started popping up unsolicited auto-play video clips at me.
It makes not one iota of difference whether they riot,burn,the towns or cities.These idiots will not change anything.Unlike our spineless lot the other half will do something about it if they try to change the result.
It is ridiculous to even contemplate it
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The anti-Trump protests have all the whiff of a Soros-funded colour revolution.

Fortunately they won't succeed.
Of course it does and of course they won't. Just like Brexit
Soros funding a revolution. LA LA LAND THINKING.
You really think so.Go read/see what he done in the Ukraine
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Our people voted for Brexit..overwhelmingly...America has voted for Trump..what's the problem???
The problem seems to be that there has never, to my knowledge, been such a violent reaction to a Presidential result as the one we are now witnessing.

There must be a reason, there must be something different taking place.
It's not a problem, where is the problem ?
There might be one in your eyes there certainly doesn't seem to be one in the administrations eyes.
One more thing when your quoting riots get it into perspective, worse has happened after football games with a few hundred morons.
You want to pray there are no counter protests.You want problems you will certainly get them
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Nov 12 2016, 02:16 PM
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Nov 12 2016, 12:28 PM
W hat is it, I heard somewhere,can't remember now. That Clinton won the popular vote 47.7% to 47.3% I think,so she should be president. Is there nothing these people will not grasp at to get their own way.
Who is it manipulating the numbers to somehow prove that the electoral system is wrong, that the way that the winner is elected is wrong, and all this merely because the candidate they have supported has lost?

I assume the argument would not be forwarded had the result gone the other way.

Well, actually, Trump declared at one point that if he lost it would be because of a fiddle.

Is Hilary herself questioning the legality of the vote?
I do not think she is.

I think she knows better than to go down that route.

I think we all know what the American Constitution says about setting aside their method of government in favour of a better one, and those who don't I suggest go get themselves educated. Because that sort of conversation almost always comes out of one about the right to pack firepower sufficient to neutralise a government clinging to power by "unconstitutional means"

The image of a pro gun control anti second amendment democrat party using their second amendment rights to replace the current electoral process with a "bteter" (i.e more likely to return Hilary) one is, I think "beyond parody" ...
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Trump is still an unknown quantity. It was pretty much universally agreed that Trump would have to back peddle if he won the vote...the question was( and is ) how much.
TBH I am disappointed but not surprised by the left wing' rent a demo' rallies who are protesting against their own assumptions and conjecture about what is going to happen.
Also they are belittling and demonising a huge rump of voters that happened to believe that liberal elites bought and paid for by financial institutions are not the correct future for their country....something our losing 'remainers' tend to do.
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Nov 12 2016, 05:33 PM
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There must be a reason, there must be something different taking place.

A divided nation!
Like never before ....... I find it hard to see Trump as truly Republican. His ideas are not compatible with traditional Republican ideals.
He appeals to those that are not hooked on either party.
Perhaps to some of the extremists of the left and the right ? There have been strange bed fellows before.
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Nov 12 2016, 08:29 AM
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According to the BBC Trump will keep parts of Obama's health care reform despite pledging to abolish them altogether.

The difference between the pre-election, 'vote for me', rhetoric, and the post election reality. Is this would be lion beginning to turn tail ?
For the sake of the US lower paid and poorer people I would like to see Obamacare retained.
Well how dies that work?

The current Obamacare system is already unaffordable for the people it was most supposed to help, and premiums are set to rise another 25%.

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The problem seems to be that there has never, to my knowledge, been such a violent reaction to a Presidential result as the one we are now witnessing.

There must be a reason, there must be something different taking place.
It's not a problem, where is the problem ?
There might be one in your eyes there certainly doesn't seem to be one in the administrations eyes.
One more thing when your quoting riots get it into perspective, worse has happened after football games with a few hundred morons.
You want to pray there are no counter protests.You want problems you will certainly get them
;D These unusual riots following the election of a president is not a problem ? Nobody hurt, no excess of anger, no need for police control ?

There is only one perspective in this riot, and that is the cause of this unusual riot.

I won't be involved if there was a counter protest so I'm neither looking for or expecting to get any problems.
You're right in so far as I would not hope to see an expansion of rioting a situation where there would be no winners.

The fact remains, there must be a reason, there must be something different taking place that has caused this reaction.

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According to the BBC Trump will keep parts of Obama's health care reform despite pledging to abolish them altogether.

The difference between the pre-election, 'vote for me', rhetoric, and the post election reality. Is this would be lion beginning to turn tail ?
For the sake of the US lower paid and poorer people I would like to see Obamacare retained.
Well how dies that work?

The current Obamacare system is already unaffordable for the people it was most supposed to help, and premiums are set to rise another 25%.

All The Best
Clinton said it needed to be upgraded, Trump said he would drop it. Now Trump is recognising that there are hundreds of thousands of people who should have it.

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Soros funding a revolution. LA LA LAND THINKING.
You really think so.Go read/see what he done in the Ukraine
Tell what he has done in America.

And show me one single piece of evidence that he has had anything to do with initiating the riots.
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Cast your mind back to how outraged the Clinton side of the debate was when Trump suggested he'd reserve the right to question the outcome of the democratic process IF there were evidence of malfeasance.

And now look at them throw their dolly out of the pram.

Far to many people who claim to be "liberal" are nothing of the sort. That they can turn to such actions after a DEMOCRATIC process has returned a verdict they do not like shows them to be fascists.

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Soros-fronted orgs among groups calling for anti-Trump protests (VIDEO)



https://www.rt.com/usa/366579-soros-orgs-driving-trump-protests/



The above was extracted from RT News, and there are other sources for those willing to look.

Who is Soros? :rubchin:
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Cast your mind back to how outraged the Clinton side of the debate was when Trump suggested he'd reserve the right to question the outcome of the democratic process IF there were evidence of malfeasance.

And now look at them throw their dolly out of the pram.

Far to many people who claim to be "liberal" are nothing of the sort. That they can turn to such actions after a DEMOCRATIC process has returned a verdict they do not like shows them to be fascists.

All The Best
Got any more jokes ;D

Trumpet mouth uttered a number of stupid comments before the election. He was a smart-mouther, almost childlike in some of his interruptions.

;D
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Who is Soros? :rubchin:
Surely that would be GEORGE Soros the bastard who played a game of chicken with Norman the Eyebrows Lamont in 1993 over our membership of the narrow band exchange rate mechanism and damn nearly cost me my house and and half this country a similar amount
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Just out of curiosity, as anyone else noticed this thread on USA Presidential election is being debated in wrong forum? :'(
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ANTI-TRUMP PROTESTERS Admit Answering Craigslist Ad and Getting Paid to Protest Trump

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/anti-trump-protesters-admit-answering-craigslist-ad-and-getting-paid-to-protest-trump/



Rent-a-mob. No holiday pay, no insurance, and plenty of fresh air unless arrested.  ::)
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Nov 12 2016, 09:14 PM
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Who is Soros? :rubchin:
Surely that would be GEORGE Soros the bastard who played a game of chicken with Norman the Eyebrows Lamont in 1993 over our membership of the narrow band exchange rate mechanism and damn nearly cost me my house and and half this country a similar amount
I know you know, but why did you tell everyone. :'(
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Soros-fronted orgs among groups calling for anti-Trump protests (VIDEO)


https://www.rt.com/usa/366579-soros-orgs-driving-trump-protests/
The above was extracted from RT News, and there are other sources for those willing to look.

Who is Soros? :rubchin:
I note that there was no suggestion of serious discontent caused by Trump's repeated insinuations and attempt to brand Clinton as a criminal who should be in jail.

No comment on the possibility that many of those demonstrating were seriously insulted by, not just in disagreement with, Trump. A very one sided video.
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Who is Soros? :rubchin:
Surely that would be GEORGE Soros the bastard who played a game of chicken with Norman the Eyebrows Lamont in 1993 over our membership of the narrow band exchange rate mechanism and damn nearly cost me my house and and half this country a similar amount
That's the man, but he couldn't have done it if Lamont had have been brighter than him. Blame Lamont.
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Soros-fronted orgs among groups calling for anti-Trump protests (VIDEO)


https://www.rt.com/usa/366579-soros-orgs-driving-trump-protests/
The above was extracted from RT News, and there are other sources for those willing to look.

Who is Soros? :rubchin:
I note that there was no suggestion of serious discontent caused by Trump's repeated insinuations and attempt to brand Clinton as a criminal who should be in jail.

No comment on the possibility that many of those demonstrating were seriously insulted by, not just in disagreement with, Trump. A very one sided video.
Clinton in jail? She probably owns it.  ::)
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Just out of curiosity, as anyone else noticed this thread on USA Presidential election is being debated in wrong forum? :'(
Thanks for pointing that out Pheonix; I've moved it to a new home !
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Who is Soros? :rubchin:
I thought you were some sort of secret service vigilante who brought down an Australian government and conspired against John Major? And now you don't know who George Soros is?  :o
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According to the BBC Trump will keep parts of Obama's health care reform despite pledging to abolish them altogether.

The difference between the pre-election, 'vote for me', rhetoric, and the post election reality. Is this would be lion beginning to turn tail ?
For the sake of the US lower paid and poorer people I would like to see Obamacare retained.
Well how dies that work?

The current Obamacare system is already unaffordable for the people it was most supposed to help, and premiums are set to rise another 25%.

All The Best
I listened to a report regarding "Obamacare" on R4 early this evening and according to that, all but 15% of the populace is covered.

Would anyone care to guess which sector of society that is?

Don't bother I'll tell you.........the poor and the elderly, so what good is Obama care if it does not protect those that need it most?

Perhaps this is something that Trump seeks to change?

We must wait and see.

PS, I will go back and seek a link if someone insists, other than that, I have no reason or advantage to gain by lying.
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Who is Soros? :rubchin:
I thought you were some sort of secret service vigilante who brought down an Australian government and conspired against John Major? And now you don't know who George Soros is?  :o
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Soros-fronted orgs among groups calling for anti-Trump protests (VIDEO)


https://www.rt.com/usa/366579-soros-orgs-driving-trump-protests/
The above was extracted from RT News, and there are other sources for those willing to look.

Who is Soros? :rubchin:
I note that there was no suggestion of serious discontent caused by Trump's repeated insinuations and attempt to brand Clinton as a criminal who should be in jail.

No comment on the possibility that many of those demonstrating were seriously insulted by, not just in disagreement with, Trump. A very one sided video.
The fact that she has not been charged does not mean she was not a criminal.Given the protection she has had from the Lynch,Comey,Obama cabal
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Nov 12 2016, 09:40 PM
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Well how dies that work?

The current Obamacare system is already unaffordable for the people it was most supposed to help, and premiums are set to rise another 25%.

All The Best
I listened to a report regarding "Obamacare" on R4 early this evening and according to that, all but 15% of the populace is covered.

Would anyone care to guess which sector of society that is?

Don't bother I'll tell you.........the poor and the elderly, so what good is Obama care if it does not protect those that need it most?

Perhaps this is something that Trump seeks to change?

We must wait and see.

PS, I will go back and seek a link if someone insists, other than that, I have no reason or advantage to gain by lying.
That can easily be changed by opening up the competition from state to state and removing the red lines as he has already said.More competition reduces prices and offers better protection.
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I listened to a report regarding "Obamacare" on R4 early this evening and according to that, all but 15% of the populace is covered.

Would anyone care to guess which sector of society that is?

Don't bother I'll tell you.........the poor and the elderly, so what good is Obama care if it does not protect those that need it most?

Perhaps this is something that Trump seeks to change?

We must wait and see.

PS, I will go back and seek a link if someone insists, other than that, I have no reason or advantage to gain by lying.
That can easily be changed by opening up the competition from state to state and removing the red lines as he has already said.More competition reduces prices and offers better protection.
Perhaps now, the detractors on this forum will admit the reason why we here in the UK have healthcare tourism, some say it is minimal, the government makes no comment, St Georges in Tooting has said it will ask for I.D.

The NHS is worth looking after, but only for those that contribute to it, it is after all, an insurance policy that we have no choice about as the contribution is deducted at the source of earnings.

I personally have found the service to be exemplary throughout my life, but I can only speak as I find as a lifelong contributor.

Perhaps the USA and the rest of the world should look twice before dismissing the
practise as it seems to work well in the UK even though the system is abused.

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That can easily be changed by opening up the competition from state to state and removing the red lines as he has already said.More competition reduces prices and offers better protection.
Perhaps now, the detractors on this forum will admit the reason why we here in the UK have healthcare tourism, some say it is minimal, the government makes no comment, St Georges in Tooting has said it will ask for I.D.

The NHS is worth looking after, but only for those that contribute to it, it is after all, an insurance policy that we have no choice about as the contribution is deducted at the source of earnings.

I personally have found the service to be exemplary throughout my life, but I can only speak as I find as a lifelong contributor.

Perhaps the USA and the rest of the world should look twice before dismissing the
practise as it seems to work well in the UK even though the system is abused.

I think obamas heart was overruling his head when he brought it in.In theory a good idea in reality not so good.Unless someone comes along like Trump and opens up the state lines for the companies to compete.it is to entrenched in the American psychi to succeed now.Lots of small bussinnesses have gone into liquidation because they cannot afford the premiums for their employers and have no help from the government,they must pay it. Others have just passed the cost on. The pharmaceuticals,insurance and medical lobbyists are among the biggest in Washington and all contribute to keeping the status quo.UNTIL Trump came along,he owes them nothing.In fact I think that is another reason why people voted for him as they see he is not constrained by the lobbyists.
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Who is Soros? :rubchin:
Surely that would be GEORGE Soros the bastard who played a game of chicken with Norman the Eyebrows Lamont in 1993 over our membership of the narrow band exchange rate mechanism and damn nearly cost me my house and and half this country a similar amount
That's the man, but he couldn't have done it if Lamont had have been brighter than him. Blame Lamont.
Well, that's not entirely fair, given the fact Lamont was backed into a corner by his political masters

I blame Lamont for continuing the charade as long as he did, but I think others are to blame for generating a world in which the likes of Soros are allowed to thrive instead of being quietly taken off in the middle of the night, put out of our misery, and their bodies left to rot in a shallowly buried unlabelled shipping container. After all, that's how the saudi's go about things ...
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I note that there was no suggestion of serious discontent caused by Trump's repeated insinuations and attempt to brand Clinton as a criminal who should be in jail.

was there "serious discontent" ?

from what I have managed to make of the matter, were she to behave in the UK administraton as she has in the US one, she would be and she should be ...

that she is not over there is a problem for their legal system, i believe.
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I found this a very good read regarding the Trump and Brexit victories: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/37949669

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But Claire Fox, the director of the Institute of Ideas, thinks the vitality of liberal democracy has been proved by the Brexit and Trump results. "We have to be careful of an anti-democratic response to perfectly legitimate democratic votes. Quite a lot of liberals are saying, 'well, democracy is not working so well because people are voting in a way we don't want them to vote', which strikes me as a supreme irony."


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A suffocating political and cultural consensus has driven the backlash we are seeing now, she believes. "There has been arguably far less tolerance over the last 10 years for anyone who doesn't agree with what a particular elite outlook is - and a silence or demonising of people who don't go along with the narrative."

Ms Fox cites public concern about immigration as a prime example and she also takes exception to the suggestion liberal democracy is being threatened by an ugly authoritarianism. "The whole of the establishment, from army generals to big business, lined up to say Brexit was a mistake," she argues. "What's authoritarian is employers turning round to their workers and saying jobs would be lost.

"We had an elite who thought they could call a referendum, mobilise everybody who should go and vote as they were told. That's caused a massive tantrum amongst the elite who then have the nerve to say it's the people's fault for threatening democracy."


I think she pretty much nails it.

The so called "liberal elite" whose responses to the Brexit and Trump votes - demanding that a democratic process be put aside because they didn't get what they wanted - shows them to be far closer to fascists than liberals have been and remain so far out of touch with the reality of the "average person" that they were genuinely shocked by these results. Had they been as grounded and "normal" as they fervently wish themselves to be they would have seen the writing on the wall.

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Nov 13 2016, 11:02 AM

The so called "liberal elite" whose responses to the Brexit and Trump votes - demanding that a democratic process be put aside because they didn't get what they wanted - shows them to be far closer to fascists than liberals have been and remain so far out of touch with the reality of the "average person" that they were genuinely shocked by these results. Had they been as grounded and "normal" as they fervently wish themselves to be they would have seen the writing on the wall.

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I don't go along with your notion that the elite have an inclination to be grounded or in touch with what is normal. There is a pretence of it from politicians when there is an election or when in front of TV cameras, but that is part of how they attempt to justify their actions. That 'selling' of policy is after all their prime job; to herd the voters towards acceptance and placing them in office.
We call them Establishment, what they are is agents of the State governing as the State requires them to do.
As I told my son-in-law as we stood outside the gates of Whitehall him having his first ever close up view of Westminster - "the next Guy Fawkes should blow up what's behind you".
There is where the unelected decide how we live and are used.


Edited by Affa, Nov 13 2016, 11:43 AM.
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I've read somewhere that there is a pub, with a sign outside which reads that Americans are only allowed in if accompanied by an adult.

Sums the whole thing up, really.
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