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| Topic Started: Oct 30 2016, 09:58 AM (2,273 Views) | |
| Tytoalba | Oct 30 2016, 09:58 AM Post #1 |
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For weeks, BBC News along with channel four news and ITV news, along with our own luvvies, and some newspapers, including the Daily Mail have ben ridiculing Donald trump, the right wing candidate for the presidency of the USA. There was very little criticism of Hillary Clinton and her policies. It was always unwise fore the British People , News broadcasters and Newspapers to take sides on this issue, for it seems that Clinton has fallen at the last hurdle, or at least been severely hurt but the current reporting of her wrong doings. We still do not know what the result will be, and of course we have no say in the outcome, a good reason to remain neutral . This could be a lesson to us all to remain objective, and nail our colours to the mast. Events can make fools of us all. |
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| Rich | Nov 13 2016, 04:46 PM Post #281 |
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It is no business of ours, they have voted.....end of and as I have always said, the voters get what they deserve....they are the ones who formed a majority and voted for it, whether or not it is a good or bad decision will only be learned as time passes. |
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| Phoenix One UK | Nov 15 2016, 11:44 AM Post #282 |
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I am not a yank, and certainly would not tell them who they should vote for. I did not like it when Obama attempted to influent the UK to remaining in EU, and am sure he did not like it when Farage returned the favour within USA Presidential campaign. Although I do not believe it is my place to interfere in USA election, I did have my own opinion, as I am sure many throughout the globe. My belief was in Bernie Sanders, but certainly not for Clinton. I still believe the Democrats shot themselves in the foot choosing Clinton. That said, I believe Trump may make a good President. I like many others was not swayed by all the negative press. Seen enough of that here in UK. All to often the media and press overstep their position to influence public opinion rather than report the news. |
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| Tigger | Nov 15 2016, 12:17 PM Post #283 |
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As usual you crow about a "victory" but then move on when the details start to get a bit difficult. One of the most appealing aspects of Trump to the American public was his promise to "drain the swamp" in Washington, in case you feign ignorance this meant getting rid of lobbyists, vested interests and especially the malign influence of Wall Street, so how is the swamp redevelopment going? Well the swamp appears to be turning into an open sewer as former Goldman Sachs bankers find positions in Trumps team and the lobbyists for big business secure their hold on the top jobs. Ever got the feeling you've been had?
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| Pro Veritas | Nov 15 2016, 12:23 PM Post #284 |
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Yeah, when the UK voted to remain in the EEC. Still, we just rectified that. All The Best |
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| Tigger | Nov 15 2016, 12:30 PM Post #285 |
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And now we are fucked as opposed to being had...........
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| Phoenix One UK | Nov 15 2016, 12:37 PM Post #286 |
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Getting rid of lobbyists? Does that include those EU lobbyists?
What about how some even go so far as rent a mob? How many of those protests and riots were actually paid for by those lobbyists like Soros?
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| Tigger | Nov 15 2016, 12:47 PM Post #287 |
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So basically you deflect rather than address the fact that the US far from electing a maverick has elected another corporatist who is in the process of hiring other corporatists! Utterly risible.
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| Phoenix One UK | Nov 15 2016, 12:56 PM Post #288 |
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I am not deflecting anything. You just do not like a truth that opposes what you would have everyone believe.
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| Tigger | Nov 15 2016, 01:00 PM Post #289 |
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You post slogans, emoticons and tuck shop economic theories from rabid rags. What a pity I've countered this with hard, cold data.
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| Phoenix One UK | Nov 15 2016, 01:08 PM Post #290 |
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I posted it with information that can be supported on the net. I just quoted two. Do you know how to surf? It is easy. Just follow the instructions people like me gave you to follow.
Edited by Phoenix One UK, Nov 15 2016, 01:08 PM.
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| Cymru | Nov 16 2016, 04:22 PM Post #291 |
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Lol. Merkel's words ring hollow when one considers her own eagerness to put aside such values and collaborate with leaders of countries which fall far short of her supposed standards. Edited by Cymru, Nov 16 2016, 04:40 PM.
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| xosg | Nov 16 2016, 05:28 PM Post #292 |
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Who said it's " HARD COLD DATA " the guardian ? You been hearing those funny voices again ? Do you remember what the shrink said ? Are you still taking your medicine ? Finally does the nurse know your on here
Edited by xosg, Nov 16 2016, 05:31 PM.
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| Tigger | Nov 16 2016, 08:55 PM Post #293 |
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A recap for those not paying attention. I was referring to the bankers and corporate lobbyists, not to mention family members that Trump is promoting to office after saying he would "drain the swamp"! How long before Americans realise they've just elected yet another shill? |
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| C-too | Nov 17 2016, 11:47 PM Post #294 |
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According to the FBI she didn't do anything wrong so nasty mouth Trump should IMO get one massive kick up the arse for being such an immature smart-mouthing prat. |
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| Dan1989 | Nov 18 2016, 09:49 AM Post #295 |
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It was wikileaks that did her in, showed the dodgy dealings and how she didn't mind killing more Syrians with her plan or aggravating Russia. The emails were the just side note. |
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| Steve K | Nov 28 2016, 10:55 AM Post #296 |
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Well I was away when all this unwound so no apologies for resurrecting this thread to put in my two pennyworth. I'll start with the confession that I got it hopelessly wrong with my prediction (in January?) that Hilary would thrash Trump if the Republicans were dumb enough to pick him. Why did he win? Well yet again I offer you the wisdom of Clarkson "In parts of America there are people who spend all day in the cold, freezing half to death in a queue for the food bank. Many have no warm clothes or teeth and, forgive my language, but exactly how much of a shit do you think they give about transgender issues or the effing polar bear?" Full subscription article available here well worth a full read. And that's what Hillary forgot especially in that last week of her idiot campaigning. Perhaps the most idiotic bit being on that stage looking up to Beyonce and Jay-Z. A move guaranteed to alienate so many sections of voters especially when it gave Trump the opportunity to show how hypocritical she was re bad language. That FBI head intervention was wrong, very wrong and she probably lost to the equivalent of a blatant off-side goal in injury time. But here's the thing, you're not much of a team or leader if you leave yourself open to losing to an off-side goal in injury time. Meantime the USA has lumbered itself with the worst possible president elect. For all their faults they deserve far better but that's democracy for you. |
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| Affa | Nov 28 2016, 11:42 AM Post #297 |
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Well yet again I offer you the missing wisdom of Clarkson "In parts of Britain there are people who spend all day in the cold, freezing half to death in a queue for the food bank. Many have no warm clothes or teeth and, forgive my language, but exactly how much of a shit do you think they give about transgender issues or the effing polar bear?" Edited by Affa, Nov 28 2016, 11:43 AM.
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| Steve K | Nov 28 2016, 11:46 AM Post #298 |
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he didn't say that, this is what he did say re the UK parallel"But I’ll let you into a little secret. All the words I cannot use any more in this newspaper. All those jokes no one can say any more on television. All those phrases that are no longer socially acceptable in Notting Hill and the home counties. Well, up north you will hear all of them, all the time. Political correctness simply does not exist in a Doncaster pub. Because there’s no time to worry about the correct word for “cross-dresser” when you haven’t got any money" |
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| Affa | Nov 29 2016, 02:29 PM Post #299 |
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Nore is he ever likely to. It's one thing to endear himself to the viewing public in America by demonstrating having a 'social conscience', it's another for his repeated verbal assaults on the underprivileged in the UK. |
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| C-too | Nov 30 2016, 11:21 AM Post #300 |
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It was wikileaks that did her in, ---"showed the dodgy dealings" ----- Care to elaborate on that with some traceable evidence ? ---"and how she didn't mind killing more Syrians with her plan" ----- What plan would that be ? ---"or aggravating Russia." ----- Can you provide traceable evidence of that ? The Emails were a nothing note, as such they should not have been made to appear to be relevant just prior to the election. |
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| marybrown | Nov 30 2016, 02:49 PM Post #301 |
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If I was Trump..I would fear for my life.... |
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| Steve K | Nov 30 2016, 05:48 PM Post #302 |
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If I was Trump..I would fear my wife.... |
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| Curious Cdn | Dec 1 2016, 03:18 AM Post #303 |
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Well, Tigger.you are prescient. Steven Mnuchin is going to be Treasury Seccretary! After his 17 years at Goldman Sachs, he's gonna clean up Wall Street! |
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| Deleted User | Dec 1 2016, 01:38 PM Post #304 |
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No one gets to be POTUS without the help of US financial institutions and media. Trump is clearly going to be a Ronald Reagan re-run....simplify what you cant explain,blame what you cant control, tilt at windmills, tell the ordinary Joe you are rooting for him while throwing him to the wolves. |
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| Malum Unus | Dec 1 2016, 01:40 PM Post #305 |
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So business as usual then? |
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| Tigger | Dec 1 2016, 01:44 PM Post #306 |
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It's being widely reported in the US press that the people Trump is appointing will make his administration by far the wealthiest in terms of individuals ever to take power in the US, with many of those promoted being openly hostile to the reforms and swamp draining Trump promised. Ever got the feeling you've been had America? |
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| C-too | Dec 3 2016, 11:48 AM Post #307 |
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I get the impression that it just might be "busi ness as usual" plus. I guess time will tell. Edited by C-too, Dec 3 2016, 11:49 AM.
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| Dan1989 | Dec 3 2016, 12:54 PM Post #308 |
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Just search them up, there's loads, too many for a post. Just type wikileaks Hilary. About aggravating, she was a proponent of stepping up involvement over Syria, no fly zone, where one their generals said it would risk war with Russia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmE9Jj-rEVs Also she wished to keep up the pressure on Russia, started by Obama. Many men and women feared being drafted for that war, was a common reason for voting against her. Edited by Dan1989, Dec 3 2016, 01:32 PM.
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| Steve K | Dec 3 2016, 01:27 PM Post #309 |
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Yes that was a huge gaff by her Trump now seems to be set on provoking China into war instead by acting like the big fat clumsy idiot fuckwit he really is http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-38194371
I'm not sure which emoticon is more apt. , or This will ends in tears |
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| Dan1989 | Dec 3 2016, 01:36 PM Post #310 |
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I guess he's consistent, he ran on an anti-China campaign. But it's good timing, neither Russia or China can compete with American currently, in the future maybe, but he knows he has the support of the UN. But I agree it will raise temperatures, looks like he's thrown his lot in with Taiwan, I guess to destabilise Chinese position of authority over the area. But his first move should be to lower the debt they have with China. Edited by Dan1989, Dec 3 2016, 01:39 PM.
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| Steve K | Dec 3 2016, 01:43 PM Post #311 |
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I don't think it was deliberate, Trump is just too shallow of mind to realise how easy it is to cause international tensions that too often end in real people going home in body bags It's a long shot but please someone tell me what fatted cow I have to sacrifice to make the God of successful recounts deliver an unlikely reversal |
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| Dan1989 | Dec 3 2016, 01:59 PM Post #312 |
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The problem with the American election was you had shit with shit. We all know it should have been Bernie Sanders and probably Ted Cruz. But we got the bombastic Trump but lacks diplomacy, which Americans obviously like, well a part of it, but on the other hand very corrupt person, also the anti-establishment sentiment is growing. I know he was going to be shit when it comes to foreign policy, but hopefully he can do well domestically, at-least the markets seem relatively fine with him, even increased in value a little. I think most British people, don't get Americans, he plays to their anti-government, pro-freedom bunch of Americans, also he's quite bombastic. We British aren't wholly anti-government, we are pro-freedom, but don't shout it out from the roofs, none of that land of the free quote, also we like our leaders to be quite calm and professional. Though because he does not speak with a "posh" accent, we being British, seem to condemn him already, he isn't dumb. Edited by Dan1989, Dec 3 2016, 04:00 PM.
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| Rich | Dec 3 2016, 03:38 PM Post #313 |
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I am willing to give Trump time, he has surrounded himself with well seasoned professionals that know their way around the diplomatic scene. Both houses have the means to keep his aims in check (if need be) I do get the impression though, that Trump is of the opinion that if the rest of the vulnerable world want American protection then they must be prepared to pay for it. Sounds like something out of a "gangsta" movie whereby the mafia extorts monies from shopkeepers for the privilege of not being troubled by them. Time will tell. |
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| Affa | Dec 4 2016, 12:45 AM Post #314 |
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| C-too | Dec 5 2016, 10:33 AM Post #315 |
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I have no intention of ploughing through Clinton's WikiLeaks folder. If you have "loads" of specific comments on Clintons "dodgy dealings" I suggest you post a couple. Clinton made the comment; “I personally would be advocating now for a no-fly zone and humanitarian corridors to try to stop the carnage on the ground and from the air, to try to provide some way to take stock of what’s happening, to try to stem the flow of refugees,” Clinton said in an interview with NBC affiliate WHDH in Boston after a campaign event nearby." To 'advocate', is to propose or to recommend which is a long way away from saying she would impose such action. I think Trump will continue to see America putting "pressure" on Russia. |
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| xosg | Dec 16 2016, 08:49 PM Post #316 |
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65 million disagree with you.Then again I suppose their all retards hey |
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| Steve K | Dec 16 2016, 09:10 PM Post #317 |
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that's Farage like innumeracyThe Trump got 62.9 million votes and 75.4 million voted to not "lumber itself with the worst possible president elect" 65.9 million voting for Clinton |
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| Oddball | Dec 17 2016, 08:53 AM Post #318 |
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I wonder if Trump will become known as 'The Cyber President', or perhaps even 'The Late Cyber President'? |
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| xosg | Dec 17 2016, 12:43 PM Post #319 |
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Do you know the reason for the electoral college in America and why it was brought about ? It is not about the popular vote It is not about 2 or 3 states deciding who becomes president and fook everyone else If it were on popular voting, just like our elections UKIP would have hundreds of MPs,but it aint |
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| C-too | Dec 19 2016, 01:19 AM Post #320 |
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I see Trump is making the same sounds that the failed Laffer Curve visited upon the electorate. Lower taxation = more jobs = trickle-down wealth. The last time it was tried the new jobs failed to turn up, and trickle-down was actually trickle-up! |
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he didn't say that, this is what he did say re the UK parallel
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