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Ottawa offers to renegotiate NAFTA in effort to warm ties with Trump
Topic Started: Nov 10 2016, 03:38 AM (288 Views)
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-offers-to-renegotiate-nafta-in-effort-to-warm-ties-with-trump/article32781686/

Wow! That was quick.

Just goes to show that when the establishment says "no you can't", the people just elect someone who says "yes we can".
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Nov 10 2016, 03:38 AM
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-offers-to-renegotiate-nafta-in-effort-to-warm-ties-with-trump/article32781686/

Wow! That was quick.

Just goes to show that when the establishment says "no you can't", the people just elect someone who says "yes we can".
... a little too quick. Justin seems to be in a foot race with May for the prime lapdog place by the fire.
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Not sure what Trump can do about NAFTA, they need Canadian resources, but Mexico has nothing they need.
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Nov 10 2016, 08:34 AM
Not sure what Trump can do about NAFTA, they need Canadian resources, but Mexico has nothing they need.
Mexico has chesp labour and billionaire promoters/developers/industrialists/all-purpose flim-flam men like Donald Trump make a hell of a pile of profit out of cheap labour places. He is "anti-Mexican" to plug into the general anger against US governance that stretches the length the southern border, not because he's any sort of friend of the American worker. A philanthropist he ain't. Trump and people like Trump ARE the problem, not transgender Mexican Muslim POW women.
Edited by Curious Cdn, Nov 10 2016, 11:32 AM.
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Nov 10 2016, 11:31 AM
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Nov 10 2016, 08:34 AM
Not sure what Trump can do about NAFTA, they need Canadian resources, but Mexico has nothing they need.
Mexico has chesp labour and billionaire promoters/developers/industrialists/all-purpose flim-flam men like Donald Trump make a hell of a pile of profit out of cheap labour places. He is "anti-Mexican" to plug into the general anger against US governance that stretches the length the southern border, not because he's any sort of friend of the American worker. A philanthropist he ain't. Trump and people like Trump ARE the problem, not transgender Mexican Muslim POW women.
Funny thing about that "transgender Mexican Muslim POW women.", two things that wouldn't go down very well in Mexico, transgender(rest of LGBT as-well) and Islam.

There's a reason why all the cries babies, didn't threaten to move to Mexico, who wouldn't take their crap, though you Canadians seem willing  >:D
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I'm looking forward to China being officially classed as a currency manipulator, patent ignorer, industrial spy and stealer of American jobs, just one slight problem, China owns around a fifth of US debt thanks to those oh so wonderful free markets.
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Nov 10 2016, 11:36 AM
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Nov 10 2016, 11:31 AM
AndyK
Nov 10 2016, 08:34 AM
Not sure what Trump can do about NAFTA, they need Canadian resources, but Mexico has nothing they need.
Mexico has chesp labour and billionaire promoters/developers/industrialists/all-purpose flim-flam men like Donald Trump make a hell of a pile of profit out of cheap labour places. He is "anti-Mexican" to plug into the general anger against US governance that stretches the length the southern border, not because he's any sort of friend of the American worker. A philanthropist he ain't. Trump and people like Trump ARE the problem, not transgender Mexican Muslim POW women.
Funny thing about that "transgender Mexican Muslim POW women.", two things that wouldn't go down very well in Mexico, transgender(rest of LGBT as-well) and Islam.

There's a reason why all the cries babies, didn't threaten to move to Mexico, who wouldn't take their crap, though you Canadians seem willing  >:D
We have a very long history of taking in refugees from the United States (including some of my ancestors, who were refugees from Pennsylvania and New York 240 years, ago). The very neighbourhod that I live in was a terminus of the Underground Railroad, a century and a half, ago. I even learned Stochastic Processes from a US Army deserter who had served two deployments in Indochina. Wave upon wave of refugees ... A lot if us are less than in awe of the United States, around here.
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Nov 11 2016, 03:34 AM
We have a very long history of taking in refugees from the United States (including some of my ancestors, who were refugees from Pennsylvania and New York 240 years, ago). The very neighbourhod that I live in was a terminus of the Underground Railroad, a century and a half, ago. I even learned Stochastic Processes from a US Army deserter who had served two deployments in Indochina. Wave upon wave of refugees ... A lot if us are less than in awe of the United States, around here.
Apparently your immigration services website crashed a few hours after the result as it was overwhelmed with Americans seeking refuge! ;D
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Nov 11 2016, 09:24 PM
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Nov 11 2016, 03:34 AM
We have a very long history of taking in refugees from the United States (including some of my ancestors, who were refugees from Pennsylvania and New York 240 years, ago). The very neighbourhod that I live in was a terminus of the Underground Railroad, a century and a half, ago. I even learned Stochastic Processes from a US Army deserter who had served two deployments in Indochina. Wave upon wave of refugees ... A lot if us are less than in awe of the United States, around here.
Apparently your immigration services website crashed a few hours after the result as it was overwhelmed with Americans seeking refuge! ;D
It's happened repeatedly.

Canadian citizenship is a privilege, not a consolation prize.

Call back when'you're serious.
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Nov 11 2016, 09:24 PM
Apparently your immigration services website crashed a few hours after the result as it was overwhelmed with Americans seeking refuge! ;D
I heard one Canadian comment that it wasn't the levels of US access that took the site down, the Canadians pulled the plug to keep "fucking crazy Americans" out.

All The Best
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Nov 12 2016, 09:18 PM
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Nov 11 2016, 09:24 PM
Apparently your immigration services website crashed a few hours after the result as it was overwhelmed with Americans seeking refuge! ;D
I heard one Canadian comment that it wasn't the levels of US access that took the site down, the Canadians pulled the plug to keep "fucking crazy Americans" out.

All The Best
I can't think of a better reason, myself. WE should be building a wall.
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Nov 10 2016, 11:18 PM
I'm looking forward to China being officially classed as a currency manipulator, patent ignorer, industrial spy and stealer of American jobs, just one slight problem, China owns around a fifth of US debt thanks to those oh so wonderful free markets.
That's what happens with trade deficits, the one that holds the surplus has to lend the deficit country the money or the goods don't get shipped.

Chinas being paying for its exports to the US to keep the value of the dollar up so they can continue to afford to pay for those imports, but it has a limited capacity to do that before it all goes tits up and then China loses its money.

If they don't balance the trade, China has no choice but to buy US bonds.
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Nov 12 2016, 11:08 PM
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Nov 10 2016, 11:18 PM
I'm looking forward to China being officially classed as a currency manipulator, patent ignorer, industrial spy and stealer of American jobs, just one slight problem, China owns around a fifth of US debt thanks to those oh so wonderful free markets.
That's what happens with trade deficits, the one that holds the surplus has to lend the deficit country the money or the goods don't get shipped.

Chinas being paying for its exports to the US to keep the value of the dollar up so they can continue to afford to pay for those imports, but it has a limited capacity to do that before it all goes tits up and then China loses its money.

If they don't balance the trade, China has no choice but to buy US bonds.
I look forward to an edifying response to that Andy. ;-)
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Nov 12 2016, 10:54 PM
I can't think of a better reason, myself. WE should be building a wall.
And keep an eye out for newly impoverished Americans trying to enter your nation on makeshift boats and dingies across the Great Lakes. Naturally if your country needs help in restricting this flow of filth and degeneracy the forums archives will provide valuable information on solutions and likely outcomes!



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Nov 12 2016, 11:08 PM


If they don't balance the trade, China has no choice but to buy US bonds.
Actually China could start dumping those bonds thus trashing the value of the dollar.

Rich will be along shortly to lecture you on the principles of supply and demand. ;-)
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Nov 12 2016, 11:17 PM
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Nov 12 2016, 10:54 PM
I can't think of a better reason, myself. WE should be building a wall.
And keep an eye out for newly impoverished Americans trying to enter your nation on makeshift boats and dingies across the Great Lakes. Naturally if your country needs help in restricting this flow of filth and degeneracy the forums archives will provide valuable information on solutions and likely outcomes!



We already get around 9000 illegal immigrants crossing into Canada (usually overland) They are not American citiizens They are from the same shyteholes as were living in the Calais Jungle (heavy on the Somalians, etc.,)

It seems that any idiot with a plane ticket can enter the United States.That is somewhat surprisingly, considering the damage that idiots with plane tickets have done, there but the security aparatus doesn't stop you from entering the US as long as you were able to board the flight, in the first place. The catch is, that you can't stay there.

Now, if you should happen to make it to Canada, which is much harder to enter in the first place, all sorts of apparatus that are protective of refugees and the opressed kick in and you MAY be able to jump the queue and stay here. Normally, you apply for immigration by collecting "points" based on several criteria, including the money in your pocket, property, your education, profession, health. Every two weeks, the Government skims the top point holders off of the top of the list and they are in. Where you come from is irrelevant.The colour of your skin does not count for points. Americans, Britons stand in the same queue for entry under the same rules as Ghanains or New Guineans. You may circumvent all that by claiming Refugee Status ... assylum, essentislly. Often though, it just doesn't wash. One famous case here recently is that the actor Randy Quaid has been trying to get refugee status here but to no avail (so far).

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/randy-quaid-seeks-refugee-status-in-canada-1.930839

https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2015/10/08/actor-randy-quaid-facing-removal-from-canada-to-the-us-next-week.html
Edited by Curious Cdn, Nov 13 2016, 12:07 AM.
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If they don't balance the trade, China has no choice but to buy US bonds.
Actually China could start dumping those bonds thus trashing the value of the dollar.

Rich will be along shortly to lecture you on the principles of supply and demand. ;-)
If they trash the dollar they trash the value of their investments.

This would be good for the US not China, it means they pay less money back than they loaned.
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Nov 13 2016, 12:01 AM


This would be good for the US not China, it means they pay less money back than they loaned.
Oh that's ok then, after all the US Dollar is not a reserve currency or anything is it? And it's not a store of global wealth either.

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If they don't balance the trade, China has no choice but to buy US bonds.
Actually China could start dumping those bonds thus trashing the value of the dollar.

Rich will be along shortly to lecture you on the principles of supply and demand. ;-)
So, how would China get it's money back if it trashed the dollar?
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Nov 13 2016, 12:30 AM
So, how would China get it's money back if it trashed the dollar?
It wouldn't, but as the Chinese currency is now a reserve currency as well it could take advantage of the junk status of the US currency and supplant it, many in the markets consider the value of a nations currency (in relation to other major currencies) as the stock price of the issuing nation.

Remember the Chinese play the long game, we often don't.
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