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| Topic Started: Dec 19 2016, 02:31 PM (464 Views) | |
| ranger121 | Dec 19 2016, 02:31 PM Post #1 |
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By a vast vote in the House, Americans have decided that it's a sane idea to microchip the disabled and mentally ill members of their society so that if they go missing at any time, they can be tracked electronically by the Police and other 'authorities' and located quickly. For their 'safety', of course. https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/4919 How long will it be before compulsory microchipping of citizens becomes the norm? Like for their huge prison population, for example? Or how about just everyone? Source http://www.infowars.com/the-house-passes-a-microchipping-law-that-is-intended-to-help-local-authorities-microchip-disabled-people/ |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2016, 03:36 PM Post #2 |
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Yup. Make it easier to access stuff if you get chipped and after a while make it hard to access stuff if you are not. That might do it. |
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| Alberich | Dec 19 2016, 04:51 PM Post #3 |
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You leap from alpha to omega with little logic involved. You might not like the idea of putting a trace on dementia patients, but I can think of circumstances in which such a measure could save a life. Below is a cut and paste from the article you quote. How you can extent this measure to include prisoners, and ""everyone", escapes me for the moment. "It directs the Department of Justice's (DOJ's) Bureau of Justice Assistance to award grants to state and local law enforcement or public safety agencies and nonprofit organizations to prevent wandering and locate missing individuals with dementia or developmental disabilities" |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2016, 05:03 PM Post #4 |
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Why not just make sure that they are properly supervised? Just how big are these chips anyway? You wont be able locate them unless they are as big as the asbo tags. |
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| johnofgwent | Dec 19 2016, 07:29 PM Post #5 |
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Well thirty coppers had to waste an evening when some senile old codger escaped from his care home down the road from my local. The last escapee ended up face down on the canal, you see. Not a good advertisement for welsh NHS care in the community... So yeah, if these things were able to signal the whereabouts of the chippee .... |
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| ranger121 | Dec 19 2016, 09:01 PM Post #6 |
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It not as big a leap as you might think. Dubai? Where some have a chip implanted between their thumb and forefinger, which, if scanned, identifies who you are, and keeps a tally on your bank account and allows you to buy and sell things without cash? Already in place, ready to go. It's not a big stretch for the DOJ, for 'safety' and 'security' they may demand that every prisoner is chipped. So that they know where they are, and if they wander off, they can be brought back. After all, if it works for the disabled and mentally ill children, then it must work for escaped and wanted criminals, right? It's no biggie, after all these are bad people who have given up their rights, correct? You encounter the police. He doesn't ask for ID any more, he just scans your hand. Now he knows who you are, your entire criminal record, down to parking tickets, is right there. He sees there's a wanted marker on your chip. You're nicked. Cops would love it. No doubt Trump would, being a control freak. |
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| Pro Veritas | Dec 19 2016, 10:52 PM Post #7 |
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So, when that chip not only tells them who you are but also: - what you are, in terms of religions and political affiliation - your credit record - your criminal record - your employment history - your educational record - your buying habits as gleaned from google etc. When all of that is there, always, at the wave of a wand-reader, for anyone in officialdom to use, and very likely abuse, as they see fit; when all of that is in place (and it is the ONLY logical conclusion of what it happening here) what freedoms do we have left? Would we not just be bar-coded commodities to be thrown under the bus of "market forces"? All The Best |
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| johnofgwent | Dec 20 2016, 12:08 AM Post #8 |
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Spot On. They have indeed forfeited their right to anonymity as a result of their arrest, trial and conviction for a crime. Is it such a BIG step ? It could always be disabled once they've done their time (until they reoffend). which is more than they do for their victims We already fingerprint people who have convicted no crime, and take and store (forever) the details of their DNA in the very same database as that used to store the prints and DNA of criminals. We call it "requiring this information for elimination purposes" and it is why my DNA profile, as well as my daughter's sit in the PNC right alongside those of the murdering raping arsonist whose victim I thought might be alive in a burning house and whose front door i shoulder charged and generally beat and kicked shit out of until the professionals came along ... and those were the bery words they used. To "eliminate" any traces my daughter and I left on the door so they could focus on any other. and what reasonable person could possibly object ??? But as you know (go look it up, hint try ACPO's minutes) Nick Clegg's Protection OF Freedoms Bill puts eradication of all records of conviction for boy buggery above eradication of witness DNA and demanded ACPO reported on progress with that eradication, in case you were wondering where our government's priorities lie ... As an aside, I noted some bleating little shithead who has been in and out of NINE prisons in the past decade given airtime to whinge about the conditions they live in with occasional lack of hot water for a shower etc., on radio 4's 6 o clock news. Why was this miserable worthless piece of shit not asked "why not try seeing how much hot water you can afford as a fucking state pensioner" I want to know. |
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| Rich | Dec 20 2016, 12:48 AM Post #9 |
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I am becoming very disillusioned with both the today programme and the PM programme, they are so blatantly left wing....it is time that the BBC had it's neutral non impartial stance examined by the government of behalf of the Licence fee payers. |
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| marybrown | Dec 20 2016, 01:23 PM Post #10 |
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Shades of George Orwell??? |
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| Steve K | Dec 20 2016, 03:18 PM Post #11 |
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What a disgusting idea I would happily accept that such chipping could occur with the consent of a person holding the patient's power of attorney and have no dread of such happening to me but compelling such against their will is evil. |
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| Affa | Dec 20 2016, 03:30 PM Post #12 |
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Big Brother |
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| Oddball | Dec 20 2016, 05:38 PM Post #13 |
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What happens if the 'silicon chip inside your head goes to overload' - do you suddenly sing out 'I Don't Like Mondays'? |
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| ranger121 | Dec 20 2016, 06:03 PM Post #14 |
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We, in this country, apparently have a large number of sex offenders who require constant close supervision, restrictions on where they can be and who they can be with. The police will tell you that they cannot keep tabs on these monsters that lurk around every corner - their job would be a lot easier and everyone would be much 'safer' if modern tracking techniques were made available. Are they not an absolute certain target for police and social services electronic tagging? |
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| Steve K | Dec 20 2016, 08:57 PM Post #15 |
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If they've ever committed actual sexual assault then just lock them up and throw away the key. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2016, 09:32 PM Post #16 |
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Why sexual assault? Is this the last taboo? Is a man who has been beaten to a pulp and scared to leave his house any less a victim than a rape victim and is the assailant a lesser criminal than the rapist? |
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| Steve K | Dec 20 2016, 10:00 PM Post #17 |
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No but i have huge doubts that such sexual perversion can be adequately cured by jail or even at all. And children are the most vulnerable of victims so we have to protect them from those we have proven doubts about |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2016, 10:07 PM Post #18 |
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And you think extreme violence can? No children are not the most vulnerable of victims..they are the youngest. |
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| Steve K | Dec 20 2016, 10:25 PM Post #19 |
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On a like for like basis children are more vulnerable than adults As for supposed advocating extreme violence you have me mistaken for someone else. You? |
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| Phoenix One UK | Jan 1 2017, 11:24 PM Post #20 |
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Children are indeed more vulnerable than adults, but what happens when the threat to those children are other children? In September 1996 that very issue became a major issue attracting national headlines right through to 1997 GE. And I do mean front page headlines not to mention being broadcasted on radio/TV for that same period of time. Moving on, Hi Ranger. You may recall I started a thread on this very issue over a decade ago on original site. I believe you were one of the few people who took my thread seriously at the time. Anyway, I hope you and all other readers/posters have a very happy new year. Best wishes to one and all.
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| johnofgwent | Jan 2 2017, 11:47 AM Post #21 |
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I don't think the issue is one of political orientation. It is one of obsequience, and it is not limited to these programes I remember very well Brian Redhead's put down of Nigel Lawson, his suggestion that there now be a two minute silence, one minute to remember the country and the economy before he (Lawson) had put it to death, and the second for Lawson's outrageous inference that he knew how Redhead voted. I recall Sir Robin Day's question to John Nott asking how "he, a mere cabinet minister, here today, and if i may say so, gone tomorrow" ... And I remember Brian Walden sticking it - on his Sunday show whose name I totally forget - to both sides. Something happenned to the Today Programme in the Blair years. I think that something was Rod Liddle. The interviews became more contorted. Instead of taking down the major interviewee on some massively important matter of state, John Humphries in particular was handed scripts where he was told to take some minor, irrelevant detail and contort and dissect it and other meaningless trivialities in hope through their dissection of forcing an admission of some magnificent conspiracy. In utterly failing to do so, which was always going to be the case, the interviewee went away the vindicated upholder of right ... all utter bollox. I think the nadir came in an interview he was clearly not at all happy at holding over Andrew Gilligan's sexed up allegations of a dodgy dossier. That was the day I stopped listening to what clearly had morphed from the "Today" programme into the "Toady" programme and started maintaining a collection of CD's in my car to listen to as I drove the several hours from my home and office to my client and my weekly invoice. |
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| Steve K | Jan 2 2017, 11:52 AM Post #22 |
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Do you not think you are being very selective in your examples |
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| marybrown | Jan 2 2017, 02:55 PM Post #23 |
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Just cut their bollocks off..job sorted..won't have to ''observe'' them anymore! |
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| Rich | Jan 2 2017, 03:00 PM Post #24 |
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Happy new year Mary, but to reply to your comment, to carry out what you proscribe would mean the reversal of the emasculation of those in charge and that ain't ever gonna happen. Do gooders rule dontcha know.
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| ranger121 | Jan 2 2017, 03:03 PM Post #25 |
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How about extending that to chopping limbs off for drunk driving? Live, on TV maybe? Everyone likes a bit of brutal revenge, don't they? |
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| marybrown | Jan 2 2017, 04:25 PM Post #26 |
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OK happy new year Rich.. Maybe they should employ chemical castration.. |
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| marybrown | Jan 2 2017, 04:27 PM Post #27 |
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Well at least we will have something to watch that hasn't been repeated 5 times.. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 3 2017, 09:24 AM Post #28 |
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Strange ain't it ,that some people who would rail against sharia law would actually want it applied if it satisfied their blood lust ? I see it all the time on local Facebook pages...would be vigilantes telling us that a bit of local justice would be just the thing for local criminals. Sometimes I even think it myself..until I remember reading about a house being vandalised when some people found out the bloke who lived their was a ..paediatrician. |
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| Steve K | Jan 3 2017, 09:42 AM Post #29 |
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