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| Purpose of EU, Euro 'Was Not to Create Prosperous Europe' | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 29 2016, 01:38 AM (1,129 Views) | |
| Phoenix One UK | Dec 29 2016, 01:38 AM Post #1 |
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I would had thought much of this was blinking obvious, but had been involved in enough debates to know the obvious is far from obvious for some. Note the last paragraph quoted, and note that where bailouts are concerned, it is not the people who benefit from such bailouts but banks and financial institutions with taxpayers picking up the tab. Edited by Steve K, Jan 19 2017, 02:35 PM.
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| C-too | Jan 6 2017, 07:56 AM Post #41 |
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Part of the intention of creating a European Union was to lift the poor performing countries or areas of countries up to a higher standard. Some European money was used in the pursuit of this idea, I recall Liverpool financially benefitting from it in the 1980s. |
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| Phoenix One UK | Jan 10 2017, 08:55 PM Post #42 |
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And it failed.
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| Steve K | Jan 10 2017, 11:43 PM Post #43 |
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No it very much didn't. The Brexiters argument was it was succeeding too much at that by net draining the better off EU countries Very surprised to see you not aware of that |
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| Phoenix One UK | Jan 11 2017, 07:44 AM Post #44 |
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And I am surprised that you believe I am stupid enough to buy that rubbish.
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| C-too | Jan 11 2017, 03:58 PM Post #45 |
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It made a difference and laid the foundations for the 'City of Culture' award. (2008 ?)
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| Phoenix One UK | Jan 11 2017, 10:17 PM Post #46 |
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Yep, I seen a lot of awards over the years going to people and organisations. Doesn't mean they deserved it though. Greece is just one case in point.
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| C-too | Jan 12 2017, 09:52 PM Post #47 |
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Greece is post meltdown, Liverpool was pre-meltdown. |
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| Phoenix One UK | Jan 13 2017, 11:19 PM Post #48 |
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Greece is a sovereign country and member state of EU. Liverpool is a City in UK, and I fail to see the comparison you are trying to draw.
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| Tigger | Jan 14 2017, 07:48 PM Post #49 |
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Name one EU nation that is poorer or less free than it was before it joined the EU, former Communist states? No, how about the military dictatorships located around the Med? No. And not even Britain which begged to be let in as it was the sick man of Europe forty odd years ago, you probably don't remember though what with BBQ-ing kangaroos and cheering on Lillee and Thompson. |
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| Phoenix One UK | Jan 14 2017, 08:29 PM Post #50 |
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Greece. As for the rest, you must be joking!
Edited by Phoenix One UK, Jan 14 2017, 08:29 PM.
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| Tigger | Jan 14 2017, 08:33 PM Post #51 |
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Poor backward and delightful? How fucking patronising! I bet the Greeks would doff their caps to wealthy tourists as well! Your output has retained it's low quality! |
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| Phoenix One UK | Jan 14 2017, 08:37 PM Post #52 |
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tiggers back. Not biting, and my post stands. Appendage:
Edited by Phoenix One UK, Jan 14 2017, 08:48 PM.
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| Tigger | Jan 14 2017, 09:02 PM Post #53 |
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Your post stands ffs!? I've just easily dismissed a highly patronising post from the Telegraph that was effectively claiming the Greeks were dirt poor but happy back in the seventies! Not to mention living under the rule of the military and frequently under martial law! Still at least you could get nice olives, cheap plonk and fifteen year old girls would do anything for a few dollars or DM's! Funny how the Greeks are still fans of the EU isn't it? And never mind about the skint in Europe, what can you tell us about white working class men in Britain who are getting poorer and poorer according to numerous reports in the press these last few days, is that the fault of the Euro as well?
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| Phoenix One UK | Jan 14 2017, 09:08 PM Post #54 |
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Already responded to that question in Science & Technology forum. See "Human Rights for Robots".
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| Tigger | Jan 14 2017, 09:23 PM Post #55 |
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Lets pretend we are Europeans then and you can blame the EU instead of technology.
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| Phoenix One UK | Jan 14 2017, 10:06 PM Post #56 |
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I am not blaming either. As for human, I take it that you never pondered the possibility that I may be a robot.
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| Tigger | Jan 14 2017, 10:09 PM Post #57 |
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You certainly don't look like one.
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| Steve K | Jan 14 2017, 10:11 PM Post #58 |
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Oh you do make us larf Ph1. Go on look up historical stats for Greece and then come back and admit you were wrong This may help you Greece GDP per capita PS they joined in 1981 |
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| Phoenix One UK | Jan 14 2017, 10:30 PM Post #59 |
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Put a sock in in Steve. I made many posts over the years, which included Greece. Who do you think you are fooling? Not me. And that is before we even consider the bailouts for EZ member states. Do you seriously expect me and others to believe the people see any of the money loaned? Greece could not even pay off the interest on bailouts let alone the bailouts themselves.
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| Tigger | Jan 14 2017, 10:47 PM Post #60 |
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Well given once again you totally ignore facts that completely obliterate your point can we now conclude you are yet another source of fake news albeit a very minor one? Oh and Greece has a long history of spending money it hasn't got, in fact it's been doing it for almost 200 years, it's unfortunately now met it's match and will have to grow up or look for some other mug to fund it's profligate ways, the latter looks very unlikely given recent events. |
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| Steve K | Jan 14 2017, 10:57 PM Post #61 |
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It's what Uber Brexiters do Tigger. |
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| Phoenix One UK | Jan 16 2017, 12:21 PM Post #62 |
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Fake news? Hmm, you mean like voting leave would result in WWIII? How about the economy in UK would go belly up? The list goes on, and on, and on. And it did not happen. Now the remains are saying its because we never left the EU yet, but that was not what the remain campaign said in lead up to EU referendum. Even a clock has to be correct at least twice a day, and that is what people like you count on. Get one correct, and you say we told you so. Never happened yet though.
Edited by Phoenix One UK, Jan 16 2017, 12:22 PM.
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| Steve K | Jan 16 2017, 01:19 PM Post #63 |
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Yes they were all lies told by the Leave campaign Well done showing them up to be charlatans but actually we already knew |
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| Phoenix One UK | Jan 16 2017, 01:26 PM Post #64 |
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Rubbish. They were lie told by remain campaign. Do you seriously think I was the only one who listened/heard them tell us this rubbish? Appendage:
Edited by Phoenix One UK, Jan 16 2017, 01:31 PM.
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| Steve K | Jan 16 2017, 01:51 PM Post #65 |
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who do you think you're fooling?Go on prove you're not talking BS by posting a link to a Remain campaigner saying that "voting leave would result in WWIII" or "the economy in UK would go belly up" you falsely allege they say Even your idiot Mirror link with its false headline doesn't say that. And the underlying article makes it even clearer he didn't say what you falsely allege But then that's what the Leave case was: a pack of lies and now you're desperately trying to defend the mess you've got us in by telling more lies Anyway the challenge is out there - see if you can respond with something that's true. Won't hold my breath |
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| Phoenix One UK | Jan 16 2017, 01:59 PM Post #66 |
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Hmm, a surf of the net will show multiple headlines saying the same thing, including BBC. Further, last I heard was Cameron campaigning for UK to remain in EU. That reminds me. If memory serves he stated he was a Eurosceptic. I believe you stated the same thing about yourself. Yet, there he was pushing for UK to vote remain, and here you are saying the UK would e better off staying in. Are you sure you are a Eurosceptic??
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| Phoenix One UK | Jan 16 2017, 02:04 PM Post #67 |
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| Steve K | Jan 16 2017, 02:42 PM Post #68 |
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Well IF you are telling the truth, you'll be able to post up a link we can examine. IF I think what you'll find is Leavers lying their arses off by wildly exagerating what the Remain campaign actually said. But then you know that already don't you but are desperately trying to hide your misrepresentation - yet again.
Yep very Eurosceptic not nutter Europhobic nor dishonest Leaver 'The Deal' should have been given a chance, and we could have made it clear if it didn't work on migration then we'd demand more or threaten to leave again. |
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| Steve K | Jan 16 2017, 03:04 PM Post #69 |
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Just to emphasize that last point, it may well be that we will be flouncing out of the EU just as they decided to roll back on free movement. 'The Deal' was after all a fairly thick thin end of a wedge in the principle of it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38613027 "Support for EU freedom of movement rules 'eroding'" |
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| Malum Unus | Jan 16 2017, 03:11 PM Post #70 |
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The problem is, it IS and has been eroding for a long time in the countries of the EU, but in Brussels at EU HQ, the support is as strong as it ever was. There appears to be a serious disconnect between National governments and the EU. Edited by Malum Unus, Jan 16 2017, 03:11 PM.
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| Steve K | Jan 16 2017, 03:16 PM Post #71 |
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A disconnect yes but connected enough to tear up free movement dogma to offer us 'the Deal' that would have ended pure free movement. |
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| Phoenix One UK | Jan 16 2017, 03:21 PM Post #72 |
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I believe the EU referendum could not have been more clear. The electoral commission even got involved to change the wording to ensure of its clarity. Remain in EU, or Leave EU. The majority of voters voted leave. Nothing you nor anyone else can say changes that. The UK voted leave. Brexit is happening. |
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| Steve K | Jan 16 2017, 03:25 PM Post #73 |
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Thankyou for confirming you were talking bollocks with those false quotes of Remain How's that pound in your pocket doing today? |
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| Phoenix One UK | Jan 16 2017, 03:33 PM Post #74 |
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I just stated an opinion based on information available. Just because it conflicts with what you would want everyone to believe does not make it untrue. There is certainly enough out there to support my opinion. As for the pound sterling, which is what I assume you are really referring to, it is down. It, like all currencies, goes up and down every day, and it would had been doing the same thing regardless of how the majority of British people voted in EU referendum. Further, it does possess a plus side. British exports are cheaper, which makes our exporters more competitive. Didn't you know that? We then have the BoE governor who had attracted headlines with his U-turn on Brexit projection over the medium and long term. Looks good for UK. Matter of fact, the future looks bright. Appendage:
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| Affa | Jan 16 2017, 03:42 PM Post #75 |
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More than any other consequence, the Bank crisis was about 'lost confidence'. QE itself, the government underwriting the banks obligations to savers, was all about restoring confidence. What Carney is saying is all about restoring confidence in the UK economy. He has to be Positive! |
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| Phoenix One UK | Jan 16 2017, 03:52 PM Post #76 |
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What about IMF?
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| Steve K | Jan 16 2017, 04:43 PM Post #77 |
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Err no you posted utter bollocks as supposed facts, it was challenged and you were totally unable to justify your false assertion and now seek diversion using absurd font sizes (that I won't quote). A sad cycle that we've seen countless times Perhaps you would feel more at home in a forum for posting fairy tales. I'm sure Google can find one for you. We like debate for grown ups here |
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| Phoenix One UK | Jan 16 2017, 06:02 PM Post #78 |
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I did use Google, and I trust you noted the Mirror was not the only national publication that ran the story. Further, the Mirror supported remain. Hence, the reason I used it here.
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| Steve K | Jan 16 2017, 06:38 PM Post #79 |
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But the key facts are you were totally unable to post any link to a Remain campaigner making the statements you falsely alleged they made and in desperation you posted a tabloid article that didn't back you either. Because of course the Remain campaigners didn't make those statements, the likes of you, Boris and Gove lied their arses off that they did. Rather says a lot about you, Boris and Gove doesn't it Feel free to keep digging and I will keep pointing out the facts that bury you in the hole. |
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| Phoenix One UK | Jan 16 2017, 06:41 PM Post #80 |
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I said remain campaign. Flip back through the posts. A number of national papers picked a side, and pushed their readers to vote either remain or leave depending on papers position. The Mirror pushed for people to vote remain. They were not alone. Cameron also pushed for British people to vote remain, and he was the one quoted.
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