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The 2016 UK-Debate New Years Honours List
Topic Started: Dec 30 2016, 06:40 PM (252 Views)
Steve K
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Well the official list will come out tomorrow but who do we think should get an honour?

Simple rules: name up to 5 living people for an honour and up to 5 you want to not get one. Anyone with at least two nominations and a net positive rating makes our honours list. And the more net positive the higher the honours in the eventual list (will Nigel get that knighthood?).

Cut off Monday 7pm
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Lewis
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I know 1 person who should get a negative knighthood and that is Phillip Green, who ripped off BHS and its pensioners.

It's about time I got my OBE for services to UK debating.

No seriously, I would like to see more hard working ordinary people for their devotion to duty and those who help worthy causes. I have had enough of troughers like Scameron and Giddie who no doubt get gongs either now or next summer.

Ones worthy of merit include Paula Wilson of the British Diabetic Association (BDA), Paul Scales of the Church Lawton School and Dr Susan Rattray (psychologist).

All people I have had the pleasure to meet and work with.
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Steve K
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Pauline Cafferkey for putting her life on the line fighting Ebola

Yes Andy Murray for beating Johnny Foreigner so often

Sergeant Stuart Pearson a war hero who ran the London Marathon (and other deeds) for veterans charities with his one remaining leg

Lynn Faulds-Wood and Prof Phil Scraton for turning down official honours and respectively for their services to cancer care and Hillsborough campaigning

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Steve K
Dec 30 2016, 08:05 PM

Prof Phil Scraton

Frankly, I was in full agreement with that guy all the way to the last paragraph of his rejection letter.

The way he starts out his rejection letter is magnificent. His choice of words to describe those who used inaction to great effect in thwarting the efforts of the people seeking to establish the truth deserves an awardin itself.

Then he proves that's all bollox by saying actually he rejects the honour because he hates the idea of a british empire
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Affa
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David Icke
Pat Condell
Ken Clarke
Frank Field
Russell Brand
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johnofgwent
Dec 31 2016, 12:11 AM
Steve K
Dec 30 2016, 08:05 PM

Prof Phil Scraton

Frankly, I was in full agreement with that guy all the way to the last paragraph of his rejection letter.

The way he starts out his rejection letter is magnificent. His choice of words to describe those who used inaction to great effect in thwarting the efforts of the people seeking to establish the truth deserves an awardin itself.

Then he proves that's all bollox by saying actually he rejects the honour because he hates the idea of a british empire
Sorry Jog, but here I must agree with him, in this day and age there is no place for Empires, the world has become too small for any such aspirations as each nation struggles to hang on to it's ancestral culture and characteristic traits of which no doubt, they have much pride in......pride enough to fight to the death for it.

However, I would sooner give the award to the MP Andy Burnham for bringing the matter to such a degree that it could no longer be ignored by the state and had to be put under the microscope of the general public.

For my money, he achieved two things, he brought the matter out into the open but more importantly he forced the South Yorkshire police force to examine it's principles and to put every other police force on warning that it is best to tell the truth from the outset.
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Nigel Farage.... for perseverance.
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Dec 31 2016, 10:01 AM
Nigel Farage.... for perseverance.
And even more so for forcing the government of the day into a corner and having to face up to their paymasters concerns......think I'm joking?..........guess what? .......a Brexit is on the way brought about by a democratic decision resulting from a free and fair electoral decision made by a majority of the voting electorate.

However many may dislike him it cannot be refuted that he has had a very big impact upon the direction of the UK.
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The nones:
David Cameron
George Osborne
Ed Miliband
Boris Johnson
Nigel Farage
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Steve K
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So far only Farage meets the at least two nominations and a net positive rating criteria
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Rich
Dec 31 2016, 12:42 AM
However, I would sooner give the award to the MP Andy Burnham for bringing the matter to such a degree that it could no longer be ignored by the state and had to be put under the microscope of the general public.

For my money, he achieved two things, he brought the matter out into the open but more importantly he forced the South Yorkshire police force to examine it's principles and to put every other police force on warning that it is best to tell the truth from the outset.
But what has he done since 2012? And impressive and politically brave though his contribution was it is hard not to make the point it was only after that "justice for the 96" humiliation at Anfield in 2009 that just about brought him to tears.

60 seconds that changed so much, a painful but poignant watch from about 1 minute in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z3mBIi084Q
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Dec 31 2016, 11:45 AM
The nones:
David Cameron
George Osborne
Ed Miliband
Boris Johnson
Nigel Farage
I would like to add :

Sturgeon
Corbyn
E Milliband.
K clarke
Clegg.

And collectively....the SNP.

Hope you don't mind Affa. !wav!
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Rich
Dec 31 2016, 01:47 PM
Affa
Dec 31 2016, 11:45 AM
The nones:
David Cameron
George Osborne
Ed Miliband
Boris Johnson
Nigel Farage
I would like to add :

Sturgeon
Corbyn
E Milliband.
K clarke
Clegg.

And collectively....the SNP.

Hope you don't mind Affa. !wav!

I only object to you including KC, who for me was head and shoulders above his predecessors (honoured), and remains honourable where most of his contemporaries are not.
Edited by Affa, Dec 31 2016, 02:22 PM.
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Rich
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Dec 31 2016, 02:21 PM
Rich
Dec 31 2016, 01:47 PM
Affa
Dec 31 2016, 11:45 AM
The nones:
David Cameron
George Osborne
Ed Miliband
Boris Johnson
Nigel Farage
I would like to add :

Sturgeon
Corbyn
E Milliband.
K clarke
Clegg.

And collectively....the SNP.

Hope you don't mind Affa. !wav!

I only object to you including KC, who for me was head and shoulders above his predecessors (honoured), and remains honourable where most of his contemporaries are not.
Sorry mate, but Clarke is unwilling to move with the times and listen to popular opinion......he only sees things from HIS perspective especially with regard to the EU and even now, at this moment will not admit that things are better than he himself was forecasting.

But I will agree that he is an honourable chap.
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Rich
Dec 31 2016, 01:47 PM
Affa
Dec 31 2016, 11:45 AM
The nones:
David Cameron
George Osborne
Ed Miliband
Boris Johnson
Nigel Farage
I would like to add :

Sturgeon
Corbyn
E Milliband.
K clarke
Clegg.

And collectively....the SNP.

Hope you don't mind Affa. !wav!
You forgot Tony (war monger) Blair.. /S:
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Steve K
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A non gong to Mark Lowcock who has accepted a knighthood for spending £12B on foreign aid without ever being able to show it's well spent and wasting all those millions on that unusable airport while trousering £165k a year
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Dec 31 2016, 03:28 PM
A non gong to Mark Lowcock who has accepted a knighthood for spending £12B on foreign aid without ever being able to show it's well spent and wasting all those millions on that unusable airport while trousering £165k a year
Well, below is a quote from him in todays DM.

"(there is now) a settled view....
people don't want to debate
whether we
should do
development
or not.I worry
much less than
I used to about
having to
make the case"

One wonders what the ever so efficient Priti Patel will make of that.
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Alberich
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Who cares? The entire system of "honours" is anachronistic and should be done away with...entirely!
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Alberich
Jan 1 2017, 12:18 PM
Who cares? The entire system of "honours" is anachronistic and should be done away with...entirely!
Which is why the OP is about OUR list
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Steve K
Jan 1 2017, 12:22 PM
Alberich
Jan 1 2017, 12:18 PM
Who cares? The entire system of "honours" is anachronistic and should be done away with...entirely!
Which is why the OP is about OUR list
You asked us....." Simple rules: name up to 5 living people for an honour and up to 5 you want to not get one"
I suggested the system should be abolished, but you don't see a connection? Even a tiny one?
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Jan 2 2017, 02:47 PM
Steve K
Jan 1 2017, 12:22 PM
Alberich
Jan 1 2017, 12:18 PM
Who cares? The entire system of "honours" is anachronistic and should be done away with...entirely!
Which is why the OP is about OUR list
You asked us....." Simple rules: name up to 5 living people for an honour and up to 5 you want to not get one"
I suggested the system should be abolished, but you don't see a connection? Even a tiny one?
It would seem to me that it is far easier to decide who should NOT get an "honour" than it is to name 5 that should.

What does that tell us?

I am applying this year for an apprenticeship into hairdressing and mainly for those at the top end of society. !!===
Edited by Rich, Jan 2 2017, 02:53 PM.
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Steve K
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Alberich
Jan 2 2017, 02:47 PM
Steve K
Jan 1 2017, 12:22 PM
Alberich
Jan 1 2017, 12:18 PM
Who cares? The entire system of "honours" is anachronistic and should be done away with...entirely!
Which is why the OP is about OUR list
You asked us....." Simple rules: name up to 5 living people for an honour and up to 5 you want to not get one"
I suggested the system should be abolished, but you don't see a connection? Even a tiny one?
Just for that Farage goes on my no list. Na na na-nah na ;-)

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Steve K
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Well on the defined rules no one gets a gong from us. However:

Consolation CDMs (Cadbury's Dairy Milks) to the following for being net positive (all +1):

Paula Wilson
Paul Scales
Susan Rattray
Pauline Cafferkey
Andy Murray
Stuart Pearson
Lynn Faulds-Wood
Phil Scraton
David Icke
Pat Condell
Frank Field
Russell Brand
Andy Burnham

Something off the bottom of my shoe award for most net negative

Ed Milliband (-2)

Rotting Turnip award for just being net negative

Phillip Green
David Cameron
George Osborne
Boris Johnson
Nicola Sturgeon 
Jeremy Corbyn
Nick Clegg
Tony Blair
Mark Lowcock

Also mentioned (net rating of zero)

Nigel Farage (+2-2 = 0)
Ken Clarke (+1-1 = 0)


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Rich
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Jan 2 2017, 07:14 PM
Well on the defined rules no one gets a gong from us. However:

Consolation CDMs (Cadbury's Dairy Milks) to the following for being net positive (all +1):

Paula Wilson
Paul Scales
Susan Rattray
Pauline Cafferkey
Andy Murray
Stuart Pearson
Lynn Faulds-Wood
Phil Scraton
David Icke
Pat Condell
Frank Field
Russell Brand
Andy Burnham

Something off the bottom of my shoe award for most net negative

Ed Milliband (-2)

Rotting Turnip award for just being net negative

Phillip Green
David Cameron
George Osborne
Boris Johnson
Nicola Sturgeon 
Jeremy Corbyn
Nick Clegg
Tony Blair
Mark Lowcock

Also mentioned (net rating of zero)

Nigel Farage (+2-2 = 0)
Ken Clarke (+1-1 = 0)


I do so love statistical evidence.  !bgrin!
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Still no Eric Clapton, eh?
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Jan 2 2017, 08:28 PM
Still no Eric Clapton, eh?
WARNING! Strong language:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg9IZyx_-Os
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Jan 3 2017, 12:35 PM
Curious Cdn
Jan 2 2017, 08:28 PM
Still no Eric Clapton, eh?
WARNING! Strong language:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg9IZyx_-Os
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He always had questionable values but that was definitely going to delay any gong - by about 500 years.

Still a stunning guitarist and a good singer.

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Jan 3 2017, 12:55 PM
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Jan 3 2017, 12:35 PM
Curious Cdn
Jan 2 2017, 08:28 PM
Still no Eric Clapton, eh?
WARNING! Strong language:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg9IZyx_-Os
 :o

He always had questionable values but that was definitely going to delay any gong - by about 500 years.

Still a stunning guitarist and a good singer.

So how come he did not get a Nobel prize instead of the lesser talented Dylan?
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Rich
Jan 4 2017, 11:48 PM
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Jan 3 2017, 12:55 PM
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Jan 3 2017, 12:35 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg9IZyx_-Os
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He always had questionable values but that was definitely going to delay any gong - by about 500 years.

Still a stunning guitarist and a good singer.

So how come he did not get a Nobel prize instead of the lesser talented Dylan?
Because Dylan is a far far more talented writer and the prize was for writing. Seemples
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Jan 5 2017, 07:10 PM
Rich
Jan 4 2017, 11:48 PM
Steve K
Jan 3 2017, 12:55 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg9IZyx_-Os
So how come he did not get a Nobel prize instead of the lesser talented Dylan?
Because Dylan is a far far more talented writer and the prize was for writing. Seemples
Just as well that I am not on the Nobel panel then as he would not even have been on the suggestion list for my money.......once again, nothing more than subjective opinions.
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