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| Another Jihadi attack ?; Hollywood/Lauderdale airport | |
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| Topic Started: Jan 6 2017, 07:33 PM (261 Views) | |
| RoofGardener | Jan 6 2017, 07:33 PM Post #1 |
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There appears to have been a shooting attack at Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood airport. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38535699 No hard information yet... even the number of casualties seems vague. Is this another Jihadi attack ? |
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| The Buccaneer | Jan 6 2017, 07:51 PM Post #2 |
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Given the propensity for Americans to commit homicide as a sort of national pastime, is there any reason to suppose that mere terrorists are involved ? I doubt the death count is high enough for that. |
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| RoofGardener | Jan 6 2017, 08:02 PM Post #3 |
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That's possible TB. There have been gun massacres, but I've never heard of one against an airport before ? |
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| Steve K | Jan 6 2017, 09:17 PM Post #4 |
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Appears to be a gunman who flew in from Canada which makes it all very strange As well as appalling. With 8 injured the death toll could rise, lets hope not. |
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| Cymru | Jan 7 2017, 09:12 AM Post #5 |
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The suspected perpetrator is Esteban Santiago, an ex-National Guardsmen of Puerto Rican descent who was living in Alaska. There are unconfirmed reports that he lived near a mosque and also that he told a psychiatrist a year ago that he was hearing voices in his head from ISIS telling him to kill people and/or that the CIA were trying to force him to join ISIS. The latter was reportedly responsible for his being given a General Discharge (common in mental health cases) from the National Guard after only 8 months service. Some media outlets are using this image purported to be the suspect in question (note the keffiyeh and ISIS index finger salute): ![]() How much do you want to bet that the media will ignore the obvious Islamist terrorist angle and focus almost solely on the metal health one? Edited by Cymru, Jan 7 2017, 09:24 AM.
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| RoofGardener | Jan 7 2017, 09:18 AM Post #6 |
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There is a report in the Mirror that raises several questions. (if the article is accurate). He was an Army veteran of Iraq. He was living in Alaska. He had already alerted the FBI to being coerced into working for ISIS. As Cymru pointed out, he was being treated for mental health problems. He had a criminal record for assault. (albeit a minor one). And yet... despite the above..he was a member of the National Guard, and had a permit to carry a concealed weapon. (which is the one he used in the murder spree). How did THAT happen ? |
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| Cymru | Jan 7 2017, 09:21 AM Post #7 |
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On the gun thing. Apparently you can travel with an unloaded gun on an aircraft provided it is in a secure metal case and is kept in the belly of the plane. Though unloaded you can have ammunition in packaging in the same case as the gun. I think you need some sort of clearance to be able to do that though, and though the TSA allows the ammunition as above apparently airlines can refuse it. Edited by Cymru, Jan 7 2017, 09:25 AM.
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| RoofGardener | Jan 7 2017, 09:50 AM Post #8 |
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Indeed Cymru. But considering the mental health issues, and the criminal conviction, why was he even ALLOWED a concealed gun permit ? |
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| papasmurf | Jan 7 2017, 09:56 AM Post #9 |
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It's America.
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| The Buccaneer | Jan 7 2017, 11:33 AM Post #10 |
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The reports I've seen claim that he ceased to be a member of the national guard a few weeks ago, though that might be a somewhat suspect claim, given his (recorded) mental issues and gun ownership. Nutters with guns don't need religion as a cause, though that might be true t'other way around..... |
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| RoofGardener | Jan 7 2017, 05:22 PM Post #11 |
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Hmmm... speaking of mental health issues
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| Oddball | Jan 7 2017, 06:11 PM Post #12 |
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Just ignore all such killing, and perhaps it will just go away, it clearly cannot be anything to do with the 'religion of peace'. It must all be down to the honkey white guys, and Christians and Jews. p.s. Most of Europe do not have the right to bear arms, and that sort of crap still happens over here, and indeed in many other parts of the world, including in the dar al-Islam. |
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| C-too | Jan 8 2017, 09:31 AM Post #13 |
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I don't recall any world wide terrorism arising from any other religious base as that which emanates from the Islamic world. |
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| johnofgwent | Jan 8 2017, 09:19 PM Post #14 |
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It .. It is GREEN !!
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Well this is what our Daily Telegraph had to say yesterday http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/07/fort-lauderdale-shooting-questions-asked-mentally-ill-gunman/ The fact the press are pushing the mental illness angle is fairly clear from the very url of the link When a page request url includes the words "mentally-ill-gunman" and not "fucking-isis-terrorist" I think it;s clear which way the wind is blowing. That said, the man did walk into the FBI's public office in Anchorage and said something along the lines of "exuse me I'm hearing voices in my head which I believe are orders from the CIA to join ISIL" which, in my book, is more than enough to be met with "I see sir, would you like me to get you a cup of coffee while you take a seat and the nice men come to measure you up for one of our really cool coats with natty lacings where the armholes should be. Personally, I read this and think another victim of post traumatic stress disorder left to fend for himself with the inevitable consequences. Maybe he was doing it for ISIS who had they got the chance would no doubt have rubbed their hands with glee at the option of brainwashing such a man. Or maybe he was doing it for the purple people eaters of alpha centaurii, or the men in black. Does it REALLY matter for a bloke who acted as he did to the FBI beforehand ?? They say to take his gun off him woudl have needed a doctor to declare him nuts. Well HELLO ...... Look on the bright side. Thanks to Baader Meinhoff and other nutters, shooting people in an airport gets you the needle so he won't be a drain on their mental health services - such as they are - for long. As to the guns in luggage As Cymru says, the airlines allow transport of unloaded firearms in a locked, hard shell case that is itself placed inside an item of checked baggage, and allows ammunition to be carried inside that same case. I guess the authorities reckoned in an airport environment they'd spot someone opening baggage post baggage reclaim or pre-check-in, taking out their gun case, unlocking it, and loading their unloaded weapon I guess that was their undoing. Or the undoing of at least five travellers using the place. |
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