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| America dropped 26,171 bombs in 2016. What a bloody end to Obama's reign | |
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| Topic Started: Jan 9 2017, 01:05 PM (355 Views) | |
| Cymru | Jan 9 2017, 01:05 PM Post #1 |
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/america-dropped-26171-bombs-2016-obama-legacy
Kind of puts things in perspective doesn't it? Especially when our media is getting hysterical about the Russian 'threat'. |
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| Steve K | Jan 9 2017, 01:22 PM Post #2 |
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You want perspective? How many civilian airliners did he have shoot down? How much territory did he illegally annex by military force? How many murderous regimes did he support by illegally bombing their opponents? How many rescue workers did he kill by use of double tap bombing to deliberately target them? That'd be zero then, unlike for certain other leaders some here praise. So perspective doesn't do Obama so bad does it compared to certain leaders to the East of us |
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| The Buccaneer | Jan 9 2017, 02:19 PM Post #3 |
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The problem with 'whataboutery' is that there's always someone worse to compare to, but it doesn't absolve Obama of his decisions. |
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| Steve K | Jan 9 2017, 02:24 PM Post #4 |
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Ah but when an OP asks for 'perspective' surely it should be provided |
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| Affa | Jan 9 2017, 04:50 PM Post #5 |
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26,171 bombs. How many lives did they take? That's the only perspective that bothers me. |
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| Steve K | Jan 9 2017, 05:59 PM Post #6 |
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Very hard to tell. A lot of them seem to have been dropped on vehicles such as tankers that may or may not have been occupied at the time. As I've said before, USA rules of engagement are not those the UK uses or would choose. Here's the main source data that was used: http://www.afcent.af.mil/Portals/82/December%20Airpower%20Summary.pdf?ver=2017-01-04-094321-250 And here's the Micah Zenko and Jennifer Wilson analysis article the Guardian blatantly ripped off: http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/scary-fact-america-dropped-26171-bombs-7-countries-2016-18961 |
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| RoofGardener | Jan 9 2017, 07:58 PM Post #7 |
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Pakistan ?? |
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| papasmurf | Jan 9 2017, 08:47 PM Post #8 |
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I wonder if that number includes drone launched missiles. |
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| Affa | Jan 9 2017, 10:09 PM Post #9 |
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Whatever ......... it's a lot of widows (or widowers), and orphans. Winning 'hearts and minds' it isn't. |
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| Malum Unus | Jan 9 2017, 10:43 PM Post #10 |
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Well, look on the bright side, at least they weren't dropping bombs on our forces this time. In war, with allies like the Americans, you don't need enemies. Edited by Malum Unus, Jan 9 2017, 10:44 PM.
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 9 2017, 11:34 PM Post #11 |
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I'm afraid that I've lost count. How many bombs did the Russians drop on those Syrian civilians, ISIS, the Kurds, the Ukranians, this year? It must be a hell of a high number! |
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| RoofGardener | Jan 9 2017, 11:36 PM Post #12 |
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I'm puzzled. The OPA mentions 26,171 bombs dropped on various middle-eastern countries. Is the objection that the bombs where dropped... or that there weren't ENOUGH of them ?
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| C-too | Jan 10 2017, 09:15 AM Post #13 |
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One of the recurring problems on this forum is the single minded subjective assessments that are put forward by some posters, leaving it for others to attempt to bring some balance to such posts. |
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| Affa | Jan 10 2017, 11:22 AM Post #14 |
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It adds up! With all these bombs, all the shelling that all sides exchange, all the bullets that have flown, it's amazing there is anyone left to kill. Edited by Affa, Jan 10 2017, 11:23 AM.
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 10 2017, 12:02 PM Post #15 |
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I blame Obama. |
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| Affa | Jan 10 2017, 03:25 PM Post #16 |
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The armaments trade isn't in recession ......... money to be made. |
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| RoofGardener | Jan 10 2017, 03:29 PM Post #17 |
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Isn't that the essence of debate ? Thesis, plus antithesis, produces
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| Alberich | Aug 25 2017, 03:01 PM Post #18 |
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You can't simply take the number of bombs dropped, and extrapolate from that figure the conclusion that suits your own prejudices without also examining the motivation behind the air attacks, and at whom they were targeted. And as they were mainly aimed at terrorist Muslim groupings, some might argue that makes a lot of sense. |
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| C-too | Aug 25 2017, 04:25 PM Post #19 |
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I prefer objectivity to subjectivity in debate. |
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| johnofgwent | Aug 25 2017, 04:52 PM Post #20 |
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It .. It is GREEN !!
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would that matter ? surely it's not the thing that drops them that matters, it's what they land on. |
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| Curious Cdn | Aug 25 2017, 11:10 PM Post #21 |
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America dropped 26,171 bombs in 2016 They have a "best before date", you know. Drop'em or bin 'em ... Edited by Curious Cdn, Aug 25 2017, 11:10 PM.
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| C-too | Aug 27 2017, 05:55 AM Post #22 |
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Nope, because firstly America hasn't bombed the Yemen and secondly it misses out so much of the history and the entanglement of politics and sectarianism in the area. It seems that America hasn't bombed the Yemen, in which case how much more of the information posted on the OP is incorrect ? http://www.telesurtv.net/english/analysis/Why-Saudia-Arabia-is-Bombing-Yemen-20150328-0004.html |
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| Oddball | Aug 27 2017, 06:37 AM Post #23 |
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Well, he certainly had a part in it - BUT - I personally go down the road of blaming a complex mixture of circumstances, known as 'the state of the human world'. |
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| C-too | Aug 27 2017, 07:57 AM Post #24 |
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I wonder how many bombs the Russians dropped in the same period ? |
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