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Trump officials might be expecting EU to fall apart this year, US envoy says
Topic Started: Jan 14 2017, 02:14 AM (846 Views)
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/trump-officials-might-be-expecting-eu-to-fall-apart-this-year-us-envoy-says/2017/01/13/26b2d47c-d748-11e6-a0e6-d502d6751bc8_story.html?utm_term=.9fff07f0e123

Interestingly Le Pen paid a visit to Trump Tower recently.

Frexit on the cards?
Edited by Cymru, Jan 14 2017, 02:14 AM.
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Jan 14 2017, 07:24 PM
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Jan 14 2017, 07:12 PM

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It is already World Friendly (?), but I suspect you have no idea what you meant by that.........

If that were true, they would have trading agreements with the US and Canada already, along with many other world economies, but they don't, and it takes them far more than 20 years in some instances to do so because of their protectionism, and the need to get all the member countries to agree them.

Is that really a sensible practical way to do business ?

Quite, which is why we voted to leave, and arguably, some others will as well, when they wise up.


Yes but that's not even its worst problem, the biggest problem with the EU is it takes years to act to any serious threat, to the point that by the time it has acted, it's already too late and the damage has been done.

It's a bureaucratic behemoth, large, powerful, but slow moving and even slower to react to danger.
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Jan 16 2017, 11:05 PM
So, you are an optimist for Germany but pessimist for UK. Sorry, but I don't buy your argument. It's full of holes.
Could that be because he knows Germany unlike us will still be in the world's biggest trading bloc come 2019?

No one expects you to be a rocket scientist Ph 1 but that does seem like something even a simpleton could grasp


It is still only mere speculation though, for simpletons and others n'est ce pas ?
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So, you are an optimist for Germany but pessimist for UK. Sorry, but I don't buy your argument. It's full of holes.
Their economy has solid foundations and has balanced budgets, we are a debt ridden housing bubble relying on foreign investment to keep our heads above water.

We need to get real and quick.

Germany has been breaking EU rules about their huge trading surplus for years, but who will sanction them, despite this ?
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No but your Sun article quotes the IMF and my link is to their updated assessment

That Germany, France and the Euro area will grow faster than the UK in 2018 and given that Germany and France start from higher GDP per capita then for the Sun to say "the UK would surpass Germany in a few years post Brexit." was typical Sun reader fodder.


Just how accurate has any IMF forecast been over the past 30 years ?

I rest the case for ignoring this one as well.
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Just how accurate has any IMF forecast been over the past 30 years ?

I rest the case for ignoring this one as well.

George Osborne held little confidence in what the IMF had to say about UK prospects - when they disagreed with his (and OBR) predictions. He was however very quick to say the IMF gave the most reliable analysis when Gordon Brown was PM.
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Jan 16 2017, 11:05 PM
So, you are an optimist for Germany but pessimist for UK. Sorry, but I don't buy your argument. It's full of holes.
Their economy has solid foundations and has balanced budgets, we are a debt ridden housing bubble relying on foreign investment to keep our heads above water.

We need to get real and quick.

Germany has been breaking EU rules about their huge trading surplus for years, but who will sanction them, despite this ?
Well that was my new fact of the day - thanks, was not aware of the 6% rule or the potential fine of 0.1% of GDP that they've never been required to pay

More here for any others that weren't aware: https://www.euractiv.com/section/euro-finance/news/germany-under-eu-scrutiny-for-current-account-surplus/

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George Osborne held little confidence in what the IMF had to say about UK prospects - when they disagreed with his (and OBR) predictions. He was however very quick to say the IMF gave the most reliable analysis when Gordon Brown was PM.
George got a new job today! Bide time and say I told you so?
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George Osborne held little confidence in what the IMF had to say about UK prospects - when they disagreed with his (and OBR) predictions. He was however very quick to say the IMF gave the most reliable analysis when Gordon Brown was PM.
George got a new job today! Bide time and say I told you so?
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Former chancellor’s lucrative new role as BlackRock adviser follows controversial US speaking tour that netted £600,000 ........ he's the highest earning MP in 2016.

He has not yet revealed how much he will earn in his BlackRock role, but he will have to declare the amount in the MPs register of interests.

Guardian

George has got a pt job working for Investment Bankers, how unsurprising.
Is is another case of 'not what you know, but who you know'?
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George Osborne held little confidence in what the IMF had to say about UK prospects - when they disagreed with his (and OBR) predictions. He was however very quick to say the IMF gave the most reliable analysis when Gordon Brown was PM.
George got a new job today! Bide time and say I told you so?
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Former chancellor’s lucrative new role as BlackRock adviser follows controversial US speaking tour that netted £600,000 ........ he's the highest earning MP in 2016.

He has not yet revealed how much he will earn in his BlackRock role, but he will have to declare the amount in the MPs register of interests.

Guardian

George has got a pt job working for Investment Bankers, how unsurprising.
Is is another case of 'not what you know, but who you know'?
Well at least he was a CofE , unlike Blair


He is a senior advisor at investment bank JP Morgan (salary estimates range between £500,000 and £2.5m)
and advises the Swiss insurance firm Zurich Financial Services on climate change issues for a reputed
£1m a year, not to mention his consulting role with luxury goods firm LVMH. And he was said to have been paid an
estimated £1m for writing a report for the government of Kuwait on the future of the oil-rich state.
Indeed, such is the demand for his advisory services that he has set up a commercial consultancy firm,
Tony Blair Associates, which has banked at least £2m advising foreign countries and businesses. ...........................
Blair has been active on the after-dinner speech circuit. Signed to the Washington Speakers Bureau for £500,000..............
................ – and has reportedly earned over £5m for his speaking engagements. Last year he
earned almost £400,000 for two half-hour speeches in the Philippines.
............, Blair receives £84,000 of taxpayers' money to run a private office, and he is also entitled to draw a pension of £63,468.


Read more: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-1693540/How-rich-is-Tony-Blair.html#ixzz4WQBsF2p6

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Former chancellor’s lucrative new role as BlackRock adviser follows controversial US speaking tour that netted £600,000 ........ he's the highest earning MP in 2016.

He has not yet revealed how much he will earn in his BlackRock role, but he will have to declare the amount in the MPs register of interests.

Guardian

George has got a pt job working for Investment Bankers, how unsurprising.
Is is another case of 'not what you know, but who you know'?
Well at least he was a CofE , unlike Blair


He is a senior advisor at investment bank JP Morgan (salary estimates range between £500,000 and £2.5m)
and advises the Swiss insurance firm Zurich Financial Services on climate change issues for a reputed
£1m a year, not to mention his consulting role with luxury goods firm LVMH. And he was said to have been paid an
estimated £1m for writing a report for the government of Kuwait on the future of the oil-rich state.
Indeed, such is the demand for his advisory services that he has set up a commercial consultancy firm,
Tony Blair Associates, which has banked at least £2m advising foreign countries and businesses. ...........................
Blair has been active on the after-dinner speech circuit. Signed to the Washington Speakers Bureau for £500,000..............
................ – and has reportedly earned over £5m for his speaking engagements. Last year he
earned almost £400,000 for two half-hour speeches in the Philippines.
............, Blair receives £84,000 of taxpayers' money to run a private office, and he is also entitled to draw a pension of £63,468.


Read more: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-1693540/How-rich-is-Tony-Blair.html#ixzz4WQBsF2p6


Is he still an MP?
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Germany has been breaking EU rules about their huge trading surplus for years, but who will sanction them, despite this ?
Well that was my new fact of the day - thanks, was not aware of the 6% rule or the potential fine of 0.1% of GDP that they've never been required to pay

More here for any others that weren't aware: https://www.euractiv.com/section/euro-finance/news/germany-under-eu-scrutiny-for-current-account-surplus/

Yes, most interesting, even though Germany has "more than halved " it's surplus it is still under scrutiny, what must have gone before is anyone's guess.

I like the bit where it state's "the new EU ruling" which came into force in 2011, err, excuse me, but that was 6 years ago.

No wonder the dinosaur can never complete a trade deal in decent time, by the time it is completed probably 2 heads of state have changed and so have priorities.

Bring on the Brexit and PDQ. :thumbsup:

ps, And Brexit detractors complain that the UK does not have any qualified negotiators......please, my sides are aching through laughing. !jk!
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Quote:
 
Former chancellor’s lucrative new role as BlackRock adviser follows controversial US speaking tour that netted £600,000 ........ he's the highest earning MP in 2016.

He has not yet revealed how much he will earn in his BlackRock role, but he will have to declare the amount in the MPs register of interests.

Guardian

George has got a pt job working for Investment Bankers, how unsurprising.
Is is another case of 'not what you know, but who you know'?
Well at least he was a CofE , unlike Blair


He is a senior advisor at investment bank JP Morgan (salary estimates range between £500,000 and £2.5m)
and advises the Swiss insurance firm Zurich Financial Services on climate change issues for a reputed
£1m a year, not to mention his consulting role with luxury goods firm LVMH. And he was said to have been paid an
estimated £1m for writing a report for the government of Kuwait on the future of the oil-rich state.
Indeed, such is the demand for his advisory services that he has set up a commercial consultancy firm,
Tony Blair Associates, which has banked at least £2m advising foreign countries and businesses. ...........................
Blair has been active on the after-dinner speech circuit. Signed to the Washington Speakers Bureau for £500,000..............
................ – and has reportedly earned over £5m for his speaking engagements. Last year he
earned almost £400,000 for two half-hour speeches in the Philippines.
............, Blair receives £84,000 of taxpayers' money to run a private office, and he is also entitled to draw a pension of £63,468.


Read more: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-1693540/How-rich-is-Tony-Blair.html#ixzz4WQBsF2p6

You know what? I don't feel half as bad now that you've pointed out Blair made far more, perhaps socialists make better lackies for the financial parasite sector?

And did I detect a hint of sour grapes? :rubchin:

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George Osborne held little confidence in what the IMF had to say about UK prospects - when they disagreed with his (and OBR) predictions. He was however very quick to say the IMF gave the most reliable analysis when Gordon Brown was PM.
George got a new job today! Bide time and say I told you so?
Quote:
 
Former chancellor’s lucrative new role as BlackRock adviser follows controversial US speaking tour that netted £600,000 ........ he's the highest earning MP in 2016.

He has not yet revealed how much he will earn in his BlackRock role, but he will have to declare the amount in the MPs register of interests.

Guardian

George has got a pt job working for Investment Bankers, how unsurprising.
Is is another case of 'not what you know, but who you know'?
More like a case of what you do NOT know, the bigger the failure then the more successful you seem to be in the private sector.

I suppose there must be some logic in it.
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Jan 21 2017, 06:39 PM




ps, And Brexit detractors complain that the UK does not have any qualified negotiators......please, my sides are aching through laughing. !jk!


Your lack of knowledge needs a timely update!

Private Eye reported that the government approached ACAS in the hope of luring away some negotiators, no luck I'm afraid, and no help from white Commonwealth countries either, to busy smoozing around the EU looking for deals of their own!

Sides still aching Rich? !wav!
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More like a case of what you do NOT know, the bigger the failure then the more successful you seem to be in the private sector.

I suppose there must be some logic in it.


Absolutely! :thumbsup:

Farage will soon be very rich as well, he's moving to the US to become a Fox News pundit, no more South coast rallies for you and his other loyal fans!

And he never even became a UK MP!  :o
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It is already World Friendly (?), but I suspect you have no idea what you meant by that.........

If that were true, they would have trading agreements with the US and Canada already, along with many other world economies, but they don't, and it takes them far more than 20 years in some instances to do so because of their protectionism, and the need to get all the member countries to agree them.

Is that really a sensible practical way to do business ?

Quite, which is why we voted to leave, and arguably, some others will as well, when they wise up.


Well, well gentlemen- in proper housings :) - Eu will for sure fall like a card house- and the russian prisioner Angela Merkel must return back to jail.

Now, the gang- they tried to kill both- the new president and his visepresident M Pence- but it was discovered and quickly brougth behind bars.

And quess what- the left side of norwegian parlament went very seek after hearing that Turbo Trump- wanted to vanish all muslim idiots from the eath surface. !jk!

Well, at least we got some real facts to believe in. Turbo Trump is certanly not spare the confetti ;D

BmOnline

ps:
The deadth squad of Kremlin is now behind bars worthy: Now you shud lift your head and lissen carefully- as Renees Cafee just said.

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If that were true, they would have trading agreements with the US and Canada already, along with many other world economies, but they don't, and it takes them far more than 20 years in some instances to do so because of their protectionism, and the need to get all the member countries to agree them.

Is that really a sensible practical way to do business ?

Quite, which is why we voted to leave, and arguably, some others will as well, when they wise up.


Well, well gentlemen- in proper housings :) - Eu will for sure fall like a card house- and the russian prisioner Angela Merkel must return back to jail.

Now, the gang- they tried to kill both- the new president and his visepresident M Pence- but it was discovered and quickly brougth behind bars.

And quess what- the left side of norwegian parlament went very seek after hearing that Turbo Trump- wanted to vanish all muslim idiots from the eath surface. !jk!

Well, at least we got some real facts to believe in. Turbo Trump is certanly not spare the confetti ;D

BmOnline

ps:
The deadth squad of Kremlin is now behind bars worthy: Now you shud lift your head and lissen carefully- as Renees Cafee just said.

^ Hypothermia? :rubchin:
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Farage will soon be very rich as well,
He already is.
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Jan 21 2017, 06:49 PM

Farage will soon be very rich as well,
He already is.
A few weeks ago he was complaining that the £100k+ he earns a year as an MEP had left him poor compared to his many friends who work in the City, perhaps he should have spent less time in the pub smoking and drinking with idiots?
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A few weeks ago he was complaining that the £100k+ he earns a year as an MEP had left him poor compared to his many friends who work in the City, perhaps he should have spent less time in the pub smoking and drinking with idiots?
His friends are paid too much.
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Jan 14 2017, 07:24 PM

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If that were true, they would have trading agreements with the US and Canada already, along with many other world economies, but they don't, and it takes them far more than 20 years in some instances to do so because of their protectionism, and the need to get all the member countries to agree them.

Is that really a sensible practical way to do business ?

Quite, which is why we voted to leave, and arguably, some others will as well, when they wise up.


Well, well gentlemen- in proper housings :) - Eu will for sure fall like a card house- and the russian prisioner Angela Merkel must return back to jail.

Now, the gang- they tried to kill both- the new president and his visepresident M Pence- but it was discovered and quickly brougth behind bars.

And quess what- the left side of norwegian parlament went very seek after hearing that Turbo Trump- wanted to vanish all muslim idiots from the eath surface. !jk!

Well, at least we got some real facts to believe in. Turbo Trump is certanly not spare the confetti ;D

BmOnline

ps:
The deadth squad of Kremlin is now behind bars worthy: Now you shud lift your head and lissen carefully- as Renees Cafee just said.


You got me, there, BM.
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I think the future of the EU may well be in the balance.

One very major factor is the French election, if Le Pen wins its game over for the EU.
If she looses by a small percentage of the vote there may still be major problems for the EU.

If she looses by a large percentage, as is predicted in the second round then the EU could hang on for another year or two.

No matter what unless the EU reforms back into what it origalaly was (a common market) and drops its objective of being a political union and a European state I can't see it surviving in the long term.

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.
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Jan 14 2017, 02:14 AM
I think the future of the EU may well be in the balance.

One very major factor is the French election, if Le Pen wins its game over for the EU.
If she looses by a small percentage of the vote there may still be major problems for the EU.

If she looses by a large percentage, as is predicted in the second round then the EU could hang on for another year or two.

No matter what unless the EU reforms back into what it origalaly was (a common market) and drops its objective of being a political union and a European state I can't see it surviving in the long term.

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.



Exactly my thoughts.
Edited by LZ54, Jan 25 2017, 11:08 PM.
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Jan 14 2017, 02:14 AM
I think the future of the EU may well be in the balance.

One very major factor is the French election, if Le Pen wins its game over for the EU.
If she looses by a small percentage of the vote there may still be major problems for the EU.

If she looses by a large percentage, as is predicted in the second round then the EU could hang on for another year or two.

No matter what unless the EU reforms back into what it origalaly was (a common market) and drops its objective of being a political union and a European state I can't see it surviving in the long term.

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.



Exactly my thoughts.
Awkward then that that "its objective of being a political union and a European state " is a PorkyPie:
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I think the future of the EU may well be in the balance.

One very major factor is the French election, if Le Pen wins its game over for the EU.
If she looses by a small percentage of the vote there may still be major problems for the EU.

If she looses by a large percentage, as is predicted in the second round then the EU could hang on for another year or two.

No matter what unless the EU reforms back into what it origalaly was (a common market) and drops its objective of being a political union and a European state I can't see it surviving in the long term.

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.
Fixed it for you.


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Fixed it for you.
:nono: see rule 10

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What fun! The United States of America and the European Union can watch each other fall apart, this year!
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What fun! The United States of America and the European Union can watch each other fall apart, this year!
I'm looking forward to Trump trying to boss around China, this will be very interesting!
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Fixed it for you.
:nono: see rule 10

Harsh. No malice intended, just pointing out a well known fact.
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What fun! The United States of America and the European Union can watch each other fall apart, this year!
I'm looking forward to Trump trying to boss around China, this will be very interesting!
That's why China made an announcement yesterday that they are rolling out more nuke in the country.
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Fixed it for you.
:nono: see rule 10

Harsh. No malice intended, just pointing out a well known fact.
Nah, if I wanted to be harsh I'd have got the other mod toolkit out. Editing others words when you quote them is funny on less serious forums but in serious debate is a slippery slope and can get very provocative.

!mod-s! Members must not change the words of others when quoting them. Removing text in way that is ideally clear but does not alter meaning is OK

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That's why China made an announcement yesterday that they are rolling out more nuke in the country.
Didn't know that, but they've been hinting at trade measures of their own.
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