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Dutch General Election
Topic Started: Feb 5 2017, 12:47 PM (810 Views)
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Could this produce a shock result with yet another right wing anti EU party winning?

Opinion polling supports this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Dutch_general_election,_2017
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Most on this forum only know two sorts of Dutch people,assorted footballers and that Wilders bloke.

Should make for "interesting" debate.
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Looks like, from your graph..... there is support for the right wing party......and they have an election in March.
The Dutch are not happy
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Tigger
Feb 5 2017, 01:15 PM
Most on this forum only know two sorts of Dutch people,assorted footballers and that Wilders bloke.

Should make for "interesting" debate.
They have footballers in holland ?

So who is "that wilders bloke" up against ?
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Max Bygraves thought that the dutch were good because he offered to give the love of his life.....Tulips from Amsterdam....therefore I declare openly that the dutch must be ok.....Max said so. !!===
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Feb 5 2017, 02:48 PM
They have footballers in holland ?

So who is "that wilders bloke" up against ?
Other politicians apparently John! ;D

Having only researched this subject in the Express I cannot tell you who they are, as far as I can work out all the other politicians will lose because if they don't Islam will take over Holland and it will be run by diktat from Berlin.

(post contains irony)
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Feb 5 2017, 03:08 PM
johnofgwent
Feb 5 2017, 02:48 PM
They have footballers in holland ?

So who is "that wilders bloke" up against ?
Other politicians apparently John! ;D

Having only researched this subject in the Express I cannot tell you who they are, as far as I can work out all the other politicians will lose because if they don't Islam will take over Holland and it will be run by diktat from Berlin.

(post contains irony)
Islam has already taken over Holland..there are more Mosques than you can shake a stick at..
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Feb 5 2017, 04:39 PM
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Feb 5 2017, 03:08 PM
johnofgwent
Feb 5 2017, 02:48 PM
They have footballers in holland ?

So who is "that wilders bloke" up against ?
Other politicians apparently John! ;D

Having only researched this subject in the Express I cannot tell you who they are, as far as I can work out all the other politicians will lose because if they don't Islam will take over Holland and it will be run by diktat from Berlin.

(post contains irony)
Islam has already taken over Holland..there are more Mosques than you can shake a stick at..
If you don't mind, I would like to change that last line a bit....

"there are more mosques than you can SHEIK a stick at.
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marybrown
Feb 5 2017, 04:39 PM
Tigger
Feb 5 2017, 03:08 PM
johnofgwent
Feb 5 2017, 02:48 PM
They have footballers in holland ?

So who is "that wilders bloke" up against ?
Other politicians apparently John! ;D

Having only researched this subject in the Express I cannot tell you who they are, as far as I can work out all the other politicians will lose because if they don't Islam will take over Holland and it will be run by diktat from Berlin.

(post contains irony)
Islam has already taken over Holland..there are more Mosques than you can shake a stick at..
453 apparently, well 452 now because one was burnt down recently

That'd be a small fraction of the number of drug cafes or knocking shops then. The highly agnostic Dutch worship other things at other places than churches

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Feb 5 2017, 04:57 PM
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Feb 5 2017, 04:39 PM
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Feb 5 2017, 03:08 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep(post contains irony)
Islam has already taken over Holland..there are more Mosques than you can shake a stick at..
453 apparently, well 452 now because one was burnt down recently

That'd be a small fraction of the number of drug cafes or knocking shops then. The highly agnostic Dutch worship other things at other places than churches

How do you think those living in Islamic orientated countries would feel if the Dutch moved in in vast numbers and practised their present day liberal culture?

When in Rome.......
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Feb 5 2017, 05:04 PM
How do you think those living in Islamic orientated countries would feel if the Dutch moved in in vast numbers and practised their present day liberal culture?

When in Rome.......
A rather strange thing to suggest.

The Dutch are liberal well educated and easy going and probably wouldn't move to a repressive nation that does not respect the rights of the individual.
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Feb 5 2017, 06:50 PM


The Dutch are liberal well educated and easy going and probably wouldn't move to a repressive nation that does not respect the rights of the individual.
I'm suspect you are somewhat out of touch.
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Feb 5 2017, 07:14 PM
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Feb 5 2017, 06:50 PM


The Dutch are liberal well educated and easy going and probably wouldn't move to a repressive nation that does not respect the rights of the individual.
I'm suspect you are somewhat out of touch.
You were always well known for understatements.
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Feb 5 2017, 07:14 PM
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The Dutch are liberal well educated and easy going and probably wouldn't move to a repressive nation that does not respect the rights of the individual.
I'm suspect you are somewhat out of touch.
I must admit I'm not that up to date on Dutch attitudes not having been there for several years but I think we tend to think foreigners are well...a bit unstable compared to us. I can't see the Dutch voting for oblivion and right wing bollocks.
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Feb 5 2017, 07:44 PM
I must admit I'm not that up to date on Dutch attitudes not having been there for several years but I think we tend to think foreigners are well...a bit unstable compared to us. I can't see the Dutch voting for oblivion and right wing bollocks.
Just google Geert Wilders polls
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Feb 5 2017, 08:36 PM
Just google Geert Wilders polls
The thing is the Dutch have coalition governments and despite his lead in the polls the other more numerous and moderate parties have already said they will not form a government with his group.
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Feb 5 2017, 06:50 PM
Rich
Feb 5 2017, 05:04 PM
How do you think those living in Islamic orientated countries would feel if the Dutch moved in in vast numbers and practised their present day liberal culture?

When in Rome.......
A rather strange thing to suggest.

The Dutch are liberal well educated and easy going and probably wouldn't move to a repressive nation that does not respect the rights of the individual.
I can percieve at some stage a political, cultural and religious clash between secular tolerant knocking shop and drug liberalism, and the official strictures of Islam.
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Feb 5 2017, 06:50 PM
Rich
Feb 5 2017, 05:04 PM
How do you think those living in Islamic orientated countries would feel if the Dutch moved in in vast numbers and practised their present day liberal culture?

When in Rome.......
A rather strange thing to suggest.

The Dutch are liberal well educated and easy going and probably wouldn't move to a repressive nation that does not respect the rights of the individual.
Most of the knocking shops are Turkish run..and a lot of the drug dealing is also Turkish??
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Feb 6 2017, 04:09 PM
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Feb 5 2017, 06:50 PM
Rich
Feb 5 2017, 05:04 PM
How do you think those living in Islamic orientated countries would feel if the Dutch moved in in vast numbers and practised their present day liberal culture?

When in Rome.......
A rather strange thing to suggest.

The Dutch are liberal well educated and easy going and probably wouldn't move to a repressive nation that does not respect the rights of the individual.
Most of the knocking shops are Turkish run..and a lot of the drug dealing is also Turkish??
I'm fairly sure there are other thinks in Holland apart from hash and knocking shops..

Don't bother mentioning tulips or windmills either.
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Feb 6 2017, 11:00 PM
I'm fairly sure there are other thinks in Holland apart from hash and knocking shops..

Don't bother mentioning tulips or windmills either.
There is Zwarte Piet day.
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Feb 6 2017, 11:10 PM
Tigger
Feb 6 2017, 11:00 PM
I'm fairly sure there are other thinks in Holland apart from hash and knocking shops..

Don't bother mentioning tulips or windmills either.
There is Zwarte Piet day.
:thumbsup: quite a laugh if you're there at the time


And Tigger it was my post that brought up drugs and knocking shops (as being more popular religions there than Islam). Can't blame Mary for carrying on that line.
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Feb 6 2017, 11:32 PM
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Feb 6 2017, 11:10 PM
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Feb 6 2017, 11:00 PM
I'm fairly sure there are other thinks in Holland apart from hash and knocking shops..

Don't bother mentioning tulips or windmills either.
There is Zwarte Piet day.
:thumbsup: quite a laugh if you're there at the time


And Tigger it was my post that brought up drugs and knocking shops (as being more popular religions there than Islam). Can't blame Mary for carrying on that line.
I think that Zwarte Piet's days are numbered as it has been deemed racist by many towns and cities in Holland...so no more naughty kids can be sent to Portugal!! ;D
Edited by marybrown, Feb 7 2017, 12:38 PM.
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Feb 5 2017, 12:47 PM
Could this produce a shock result with yet another right wing anti EU party winning?

Opinion polling supports this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Dutch_general_election,_2017
Seems not

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39285803

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Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte's party has won the most seats in parliamentary elections, exit polls say.
His centre-right VVD Party won 31 out of 150 seats, polls suggest.
His party came far ahead of the next three parties, including Geert Wilders' anti-immigration Freedom Party (PVV), the Christian Democrats and the D66 Party, which each got 19 seats.


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Sanity prevails.
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Mar 15 2017, 11:40 PM
Sanity prevails.
That depends on which side of the rose tinted spectacles you are looking from.
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Mar 16 2017, 12:44 AM
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Mar 15 2017, 11:40 PM
Sanity prevails.
That depends on which side of the rose tinted spectacles you are looking from.
I'm not wild about neo-fascism. People like that just exacerbate the complex problem of mass migration that is just at the beginning. We are only a few decades away from having large populations on the move because of inundation from rising sea levels. A huge part of humanity lives in deltas and estuaries that are just above sea level, now. The Ganges, Hindus, Mississippi, Nile, Thames, Fraser (in our country) all of Holland, most of Florida, all of Bangladesh, big parts of China will all be on the move, simultaneously and unless you are a fan of World War, you are best not to follow the Wilders path.
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Mar 16 2017, 12:44 AM
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Sanity prevails.
That depends on which side of the rose tinted spectacles you are looking from.
I'm not wild about neo-fascism. People like that just exacerbate the complex problem of mass migration that is just at the beginning. We are only a few decades away from having large populations on the move because of inundation from rising sea levels. A huge part of humanity lives in deltas and estuaries that are just above sea level, now. The Ganges, Hindus, Mississippi, Nile, Thames, Fraser (in our country) all of Holland, most of Florida, all of Bangladesh, big parts of China will all be on the move, simultaneously and unless you are a fan of World War, you are best not to follow the Wilders path.
You may well take that stance and it is most understandable, you have millions of acres of uninhabited land other than animals....we here in the UK are an Island with limited space and we are all ready full up.

Please tell me, if your house in Canada is 4 bedroomed and each room is used, how many more will you invite into your house before you say.....enough, no more?
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Sanity prevails.
That depends on which side of the rose tinted spectacles you are looking from.
I'm not wild about neo-fascism. People like that just exacerbate the complex problem of mass migration that is just at the beginning. We are only a few decades away from having large populations on the move because of inundation from rising sea levels. A huge part of humanity lives in deltas and estuaries that are just above sea level, now. The Ganges, Hindus, Mississippi, Nile, Thames, Fraser (in our country) all of Holland, most of Florida, all of Bangladesh, big parts of China will all be on the move, simultaneously and unless you are a fan of World War, you are best not to follow the Wilders path.


Hoards of migrants using up resources hitherto unused can be as disastrous as any war. Just ask your indigenous population.
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Curious is going to find out how mass immigration feels if JT and his handlers get their way.
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Mar 15 2017, 11:40 PM
Sanity prevails.
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Curious is going to find out how mass immigration feels if JT and his handlers get their way.
We are a nation of migrants. Mass immigration has already happened and the biggest part flooded in from your islands.The British are a migratory people that have left a third of a billion descendants of their floods scattered all over the planet. You make the Muslims look like lazy strollers. The pot is calling the kettle black.
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I can't say I am surprised at the result..After all..Holland is now so full of Muslims ...It would be like a turkey voting for Christmas!!!
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Mar 16 2017, 11:48 AM
I can't say I am surprised at the result..After all..Holland is now so full of Muslims ...It would be like a turkey voting for Christmas!!!
Yes 5% is "so full" to some isn't it !jk!

http://www.indexmundi.com/netherlands/demographics_profile.html
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I can't say I am surprised at the result..After all..Holland is now so full of Muslims ...It would be like a turkey voting for Christmas!!!
Yes 5% is "so full" to some isn't it !jk!

http://www.indexmundi.com/netherlands/demographics_profile.html
You'll be believing our government figures on immigration next!!
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I can't say I am surprised at the result..After all..Holland is now so full of Muslims ...It would be like a turkey voting for Christmas!!!
Yes 5% is "so full" to some isn't it !jk!

http://www.indexmundi.com/netherlands/demographics_profile.html
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Wilders may have stood a chance if he wasnt a lunatic.
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Mar 16 2017, 12:31 PM
Wilders may have stood a chance if he wasnt a lunatic.
Have you ever been to Holland?..I must have met the 5% in Rotterdam!!

In Hoogstraat!..
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Hmm... lets not forget that the PVV has increased its representation in parliament in every general election since their formation back in 2006, and THIS one is no exception. They have gone up from 5th place in 2006, to third place in 2012, to second place in 2017 ! They have more than twice the number of seats in the new parliament than the Lib Dems have in the UK, even though the Dutch parliament is only one-quarter of the size.

If the PVV where a liberal, multiculturalist party, then I can help but think that our Media would be trumpeting its success.  >:D
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Wilders may have stood a chance if he wasnt a lunatic.
Have you ever been to Holland?..I must have met the 5% in Rotterdam!!

In Hoogstraat!..


I went to Rotterdam for a day to work and have been stoned in Amsterdam a couple of times ;D

Oh and competed in Utrecht ..forgot about that ..happy days.
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Wilders may have stood a chance if he wasnt a lunatic.
Have you ever been to Holland?..I must have met the 5% in Rotterdam!!

In Hoogstraat!..


I went to Rotterdam for a day to work and have been stoned in Amsterdam a couple of times ;D

What I never understood about the ''Coffee houses''..you could get out of your skull..and smoke them inside..but if you wanted a shop bought straight ciggie..you had to smoke them outside? :rubchin:
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