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Dutch General Election
Topic Started: Feb 5 2017, 12:47 PM (811 Views)
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Could this produce a shock result with yet another right wing anti EU party winning?

Opinion polling supports this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Dutch_general_election,_2017
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I went to Rotterdam for a day to work and have been stoned in Amsterdam a couple of times ;D

What I never understood about the ''Coffee houses''..you could get out of your skull..and smoke them inside..but if you wanted a shop bought straight ciggie..you had to smoke them outside? :rubchin:

I got told to leave one..so there is a limit 😊
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What I never understood about the ''Coffee houses''..you could get out of your skull..and smoke them inside..but if you wanted a shop bought straight ciggie..you had to smoke them outside? :rubchin:

I got told to leave one..so there is a limit 😊
Well all I can say is that you must have disgraced yourself.. ;D
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I got told to leave one..so there is a limit 😊
Well all I can say is that you must have disgraced yourself.. ;D


I just became really interested with the full.stop on the menu. I just stared at it for so long the manager chucked me out.
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Well all I can say is that you must have disgraced yourself.. ;D


I just became really interested with the full.stop on the menu. I just stared at it for so long the manager chucked me out.
I can understand that..they want you to stare at other things outside for 3 hours.. ;D
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I just became really interested with the full.stop on the menu. I just stared at it for so long the manager chucked me out.
I can understand that..they want you to stare at other things outside for 3 hours.. ;D


Yeah.we went to see a naughty show but the actual booths along the canal with girls in made me feel a bit uneasy ( which surprised me tbh). There were quite a few young girls in them..the older ones were in the alleys around them
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I can understand that..they want you to stare at other things outside for 3 hours.. ;D


Yeah.we went to see a naughty show but the actual booths along the canal with girls in made me feel a bit uneasy ( which surprised me tbh). There were quite a few young girls in them..the older ones were in the alleys around them
ha ha yes..there are 3 denominations..Cheap and cheerful..Medium and mediocre..and top banana.. ;D
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Yeah.we went to see a naughty show but the actual booths along the canal with girls in made me feel a bit uneasy ( which surprised me tbh). There were quite a few young girls in them..the older ones were in the alleys around them
ha ha yes..there are 3 denominations..Cheap and cheerful..Medium and mediocre..and top banana.. ;D
Banana???????blimey  :o  :o  :o
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Mar 16 2017, 01:40 AM
we here in the UK are an Island with limited space and we are all ready full up.

When I look at an satellite image of the UK I see mostly farmland, forest and lake. It's a myth we are full up, why not just clearly say you don't want anymore foreigners here?
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Mar 16 2017, 12:31 PM
Wilders may have stood a chance if he wasnt a lunatic.
Have you ever been to Holland?..I must have met the 5% in Rotterdam!!

In Hoogstraat!..
You are clearly attuned to spotting dark faces and strange accents, but what a good result eh?

An 85% turnout saw the Dutch take back control from the sort of arseholes who have got a foothold here in the UK, the left wing Greens and other tree hugging parties also made gains, it was also nice to see the young vote for liberalism as the stale piss mobility scooter protest vote failed to materialise.
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we here in the UK are an Island with limited space and we are all ready full up.

When I look at an satellite image of the UK I see mostly farmland, forest and lake. It's a myth we are full up, why not just clearly say you don't want anymore foreigners here?


I reckon the total footprint for your house and garden is more than twice than for your house.
Time to put a bungelow on your lawn eh?
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we here in the UK are an Island with limited space and we are all ready full up.

When I look at an satellite image of the UK I see mostly farmland, forest and lake. It's a myth we are full up, why not just clearly say you don't want anymore foreigners here?


I reckon the total footprint for your house and garden is more than twice than for your house.
Time to put a bungelow on your lawn eh?
A certain poster on here thinks that "full up" appertains to land only, that certain poster is obviously blind to the fact that our infrastructures, NHS, Schools, GP surgeries, roads, rail networks etc etc are all creaking at the seams, our infrastructures were never built or created to cater for the numbers we have here now....we simply cannot take any more, foreign or otherwise.
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Awkward fact for some

The Netherlands has a higher population density that the UK (878 per sq mile cf 694 per sq mile)

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I reckon the total footprint for your house and garden is more than twice than for your house.
Time to put a bungelow on your lawn eh?
Can't, I've got a barn on it that's a listed building.
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I reckon the total footprint for your house and garden is more than twice than for your house.
Time to put a bungelow on your lawn eh?
Can't, I've got a barn on it that's a listed building.


I've got a granny in the foreign legion.
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Mar 16 2017, 09:19 PM
Awkward fact for some

The Netherlands has a higher population density that the UK (878 per sq mile cf 694 per sq mile)

They are full up. That's why a majority whipped up by the right wing media has just voted for an anti im.....


Hold on a sec........... :rubchin:
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Mar 16 2017, 09:38 PM


I've got a granny in the foreign legion.
Does she know Laurel and Hardy?
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I've got a granny in the foreign legion.
Does she know Laurel and Hardy?


No but I bet they live in that barn in your garden....that's where you get your ideas.
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Awkward fact for some

The Netherlands has a higher population density that the UK (878 per sq mile cf 694 per sq mile)

They are full up. That's why a majority whipped up by the right wing media has just voted for an anti im.....


Hold on a sec........... :rubchin:


I'm going to guess the centre right voters didn't vote for wilder because he is a buffoon..not because they want more immigrants but I'm sure you pals at the Hund und Ente know better.
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Then why did the pro Immigration Green party do so well?
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Mar 16 2017, 09:48 PM
Then why did the pro Immigration Green party do so well?
Is it because there are no Dutch versions of the Mail or Express?

And a better level of general education?
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Mar 16 2017, 12:31 PM
Wilders may have stood a chance if he wasnt a lunatic.
That didn't stop Trump ... not yet, anyway.
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I reckon the total footprint for your house and garden is more than twice than for your house.
Time to put a bungelow on your lawn eh?
Can't, I've got a barn on it that's a listed building.


I've got a granny in the foreign legion.
... a soldier or a camel?
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Bear in mind that while the Leftist CommentariatTM are trailing this as a great victory for multiculturalism, the fact is that the PVV increased its representation in the Dutch parliament. It is now the second largest party. (up from 3rd in 2012, and 5th in 2006).
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Mar 16 2017, 11:26 PM
Bear in mind that while the Leftist CommentariatTM are trailing this as a great victory for multiculturalism, the fact is that the PVV increased its representation in the Dutch parliament. It is now the second largest party. (up from 3rd in 2012, and 5th in 2006).
yes we already read your post 38 but I guess a repeat post about Wilders being a serial loser is never a bad thing ;-)
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Mar 16 2017, 01:40 AM
we here in the UK are an Island with limited space and we are all ready full up.

When I look at an satellite image of the UK I see mostly farmland, forest and lake. It's a myth we are full up, why not just clearly say you don't want anymore foreigners here?
Actually it's not a myth.

Think rationally.

An island has a finite amount of land.

Land can be used for housing people, for agriculture to support the people already here, for infrastructure to supply clean water to them, for landfill sites to dispose of their rubbish, etc.

Not all land available is suitable for building on either, being prone to flooding, being mountainous, etc.

Adding more people means using more space to add more housing. With a finite amount of land available that inevitably means using existing land for new housing that would otherwise have been used to support the basic needs (food, water, etc.) of those already here.

So not only now do you have less land to support the population already here, you have a larger population which needs a greater level of support from this land, something which your existing land cannot meet and cannot be expanded to meet due to available land being used to house more people.

Whether one hates foreigners or not is irrelevant as more foreigners means less self-reliance on basic needs, and less self-reliance on basic needs means being beholden to foreign nations who we will have to beg to supply those needs.
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Bear in mind that while the Leftist CommentariatTM are trailing this as a great victory for multiculturalism, the fact is that the PVV increased its representation in the Dutch parliament. It is now the second largest party. (up from 3rd in 2012, and 5th in 2006).
Someone on here claimed the riots in Holland involving Turks would play into Wilders hands, it clearly didn't, whist many on here will be amazed Wilders didn't win given their own mindset the conclusion must be the Dutch see things in a different light, or perhaps not living in an echo chamber might be a factor?
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Mar 16 2017, 09:19 PM
Awkward fact for some

The Netherlands has a higher population density that the UK (878 per sq mile cf 694 per sq mile)

Hmmn, if Holland had some of the type of hinterland that the UK has I dare say they too would have an average lower population density. Not many 'native Dutch', or 'others' would care to live on some of 'our' hills and mountains, or on the high moors, or the forests of Sutherland.
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Feb 5 2017, 02:48 PM
They have footballers in holland ?

So who is "that wilders bloke" up against ?
Other politicians apparently John! ;D

Having only researched this subject in the Express I cannot tell you who they are, as far as I can work out all the other politicians will lose because if they don't Islam will take over Holland and it will be run by diktat from Berlin.

(post contains irony)



so here's another repeat then stevek


well ok the results are in

and unsurprisingly, the centrist stole the right wing's less harsh clothes and started wearing them and reaped the reward.

what few people in the media seem to have felt inclined to point out is that Wilders has increased the number of seats he holds, to the point where he is the second largest in the parliament, while the biggest headlines are reserved for the upswing of the greens. do they have many nuclear reactors in the Netherlands ? is so, they'll be shivering soon.
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Get over it, you lost!

;D

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Get over it, you lost!

;D

He lost ?
I wasn't aware that JoG was a candidate in the Dutch general elections ?  !bgrin!

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...Someone on here claimed the riots in Holland involving Turks would play into Wilders hands, it clearly didn't, ....

No ? Then why did more people vote for him than in the previous election ? :)
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Get over it, you lost!

;D

He lost ?
I wasn't aware that JoG was a candidate in the Dutch general elections ?  !bgrin!

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...Someone on here claimed the riots in Holland involving Turks would play into Wilders hands, it clearly didn't, ....

No ? Then why did more people vote for him than in the previous election ? :)
because they were serial losers too?
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I've got a granny in the foreign legion.
... a soldier or a camel?


A soldier but she has a camel. If she waits long enough after she feeds it , a Canuck falls out of its backside..
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Already heard that Erdogan is making threats towards the EU..all he'll have to do is open the floodgates..But having said that..wasn't it the EU who promised them shed loads of money to keep out illegal migrants?..and free passage into the Eu for millions of Turkish citizens?

Then the EU has lied to him????
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Already heard that Erdogan is making threats towards the EU..all he'll have to do is open the floodgates..But having said that..wasn't it the EU who promised them shed loads of money..and free passage into the Eu for millions of Turkish citizens?

Then the EU has lied to him????

The EU led by Mrs Merkel subcontracted it's dirty work to Turkey because it hadn't the will or balls to do it
Itself...and here's the result. Not our problem soon..hopefully.
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Already heard that Erdogan is making threats towards the EU..all he'll have to do is open the floodgates..But having said that..wasn't it the EU who promised them shed loads of money..and free passage into the Eu for millions of Turkish citizens?

Then the EU has lied to him????

The EU led by Mrs Merkel subcontracted it's dirty work to Turkey because it hadn't the will or balls to do it
Itself...and here's the result. Not our problem soon..hopefully.
Hey...the Italian navy is picking up people from Algeria..Tunisia..and Morocco..where there are absolutely no conflicts..and bringing them over to Europe..Instead of taking them back..

A Ferry service is springing to mind?
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Already heard that Erdogan is making threats towards the EU..all he'll have to do is open the floodgates..But having said that..wasn't it the EU who promised them shed loads of money..and free passage into the Eu for millions of Turkish citizens?

Then the EU has lied to him????

The EU led by Mrs Merkel subcontracted it's dirty work to Turkey because it hadn't the will or balls to do it
Itself...and here's the result. Not our problem soon..hopefully.
Hey...the Italian navy is picking up people from Algeria..Tunisia..and Morocco..where there are absolutely no conflicts..and bringing them over to Europe..Instead of taking them back..

A Ferry service is springing to mind?


They are aiding and abetting people smugglers.
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Already heard that Erdogan is making threats towards the EU..all he'll have to do is open the floodgates..But having said that..wasn't it the EU who promised them shed loads of money..and free passage into the Eu for millions of Turkish citizens?

Then the EU has lied to him????

The EU led by Mrs Merkel subcontracted it's dirty work to Turkey because it hadn't the will or balls to do it
Itself...and here's the result. Not our problem soon..hopefully.
But she's not kept her promise...
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Already heard that Erdogan is making threats towards the EU..all he'll have to do is open the floodgates..But having said that..wasn't it the EU who promised them shed loads of money..and free passage into the Eu for millions of Turkish citizens?

Then the EU has lied to him????

The EU led by Mrs Merkel subcontracted it's dirty work to Turkey because it hadn't the will or balls to do it
Itself...and here's the result. Not our problem soon..hopefully.
But she's not kept her promise...


Thats because Erdogan is being a naughty boy and he is being a naughty boy because the EU is weak.
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But she's not kept her promise...


Thats because Erdogan is being a naughty boy and he is being a naughty boy because the EU is weak.
Do you really think that no longer being a member of the EU..will solve all our migrant..(legal or otherwise) will eradicate our problems..?? Our government has absolutely no idea on the numbers?? Every so often they put out ridiculous figures..which may I say that we all know are crap...
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Thats because Erdogan is being a naughty boy and he is being a naughty boy because the EU is weak.
Do you really think that no longer being a member of the EU..will solve all our migrant..(legal or otherwise) will eradicate our problems..?? Our government has absolutely no idea on the numbers?? Every so often they put out ridiculous figures..which may I say that we all know are crap...


Well we eont be involved in a scrap betweennthe EU and Turkey because we won't be in the EU.
As for the rest I haven't a clue.
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