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The French Presidential election
Topic Started: Feb 5 2017, 12:21 PM (1,304 Views)
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Back on topic.

The French Presidential election starts to kick in today with the two front runners starting their campaign.

Look very much like it's going to be a right v left final.

Le Pen looks to win the first round and Macron looks to be taking second as Fillon is being pushed out.
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Back on topic.

The French Presidential election starts to kick in today with the two front runners starting their campaign.

Look very much like it's going to be a right v left final.

Le Pen looks to win the first round and Macon looks to be taking second as Fillon is being pushed out.
Emmanuel Macron v Le Penn is my bet.
The Establishment always win! That's why I put his name in bold.
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Feb 5 2017, 12:21 PM
Back on topic.

The French Presidential election starts to kick in today with the two front runners starting their campaign.

Look very much like it's going to be a right v left final.

Le Pen looks to win the first round and Macon looks to be taking second as Fillon is being pushed out.
Fillon was branded by many in the press here as a "Thatcherite" style politician, in recent days he's certainly lived up to that unflattering comparison!

Like Thatcher he could just not resist enriching members of his own family by using his position.

These right wing types just can't help themselves can they? ;-)
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Feb 5 2017, 12:30 PM
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Feb 5 2017, 12:21 PM
Back on topic.

The French Presidential election starts to kick in today with the two front runners starting their campaign.

Look very much like it's going to be a right v left final.

Le Pen looks to win the first round and Macon looks to be taking second as Fillon is being pushed out.
Emmanuel Macron v Le Penn is my bet.
The Establishment always win! That's why I put his name in bold.
The establishment didn't do to well on Brexit, not sure you can call Trump the establishment.

If Macron does win it will be a great victory for the EU and socialism but I wouldn't put money on him personally. A lot is hanging on this election and Influences will come from France and many major external powers.
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Feb 5 2017, 12:35 PM
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Feb 5 2017, 12:30 PM
Opinionater
Feb 5 2017, 12:21 PM
Back on topic.

The French Presidential election starts to kick in today with the two front runners starting their campaign.

Look very much like it's going to be a right v left final.

Le Pen looks to win the first round and Macon looks to be taking second as Fillon is being pushed out.
Emmanuel Macron v Le Penn is my bet.
The Establishment always win! That's why I put his name in bold.
The establishment didn't do to well on Brexit, not sure you can call Trump the establishment.

If Macron does win it will be a great victory for the EU and socialism but I wouldn't put money on him personally.
It's a very open field. Macron is a smart guy but I doubt he has the substance and constituency behind him to win. Le Pen has that EU embezzlement issue to square away and even if she doesn't go to jail it will hurt her.

IMHO a dedicated French Election thread is needed. Any views?
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Feb 5 2017, 12:37 PM


IMHO a dedicated French Election thread is needed. Any views?
Go for it, what a shame we no longer have our French contributor though, sanity in a sea of madness!
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Who will win the first round and the second round.

I have Le Pen v Macro for the final. How do you see it?
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Feb 5 2017, 12:44 PM
Who will win the first round and the second round.

I have Le Pen v Macro for the final. How do you see it?
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Please keep on the topic of the French Election
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So seems Marine has failed to get that key 1st round win and is on track to be soundly defeated in round 2 in 2 weeks time

A bad day for those that pushed the false line that the EU is doomed and an appalling day for those that think the only thing wrong with left wing parties is they don't go left wing enough. They got utterly thrashed

An all round good day in fact :)
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Le Pen and Macron advance to the finals. I quite like the French system of run-off elections. They should have a full tournament style bracket with, say 20 candidates vying to make it to the final round and a loser's bracket so everyone gets a second chance.

So, at this semi-final stage, don't you think that a duel with sabres would be a good final run-off format?
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Apr 23 2017, 11:12 PM
So seems Marine has failed to get that key 1st round win and is on track to be soundly defeated in round 2 in 2 weeks time

A bad day for those that pushed the false line that the EU is doomed and an appalling day for those that think the only thing wrong with left wing parties is they don't go left wing enough. They got utterly thrashed

An all round good day in fact :)


Will you stick your neck out and predict the outcome in a fortnights time?
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Macron looks like just what the French do not need to me. Pro EU integration and open door immigration. Ah well, more fuel for the fire.
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Apr 23 2017, 11:24 PM
Le Pen and Macron advance to the finals. I quite like the French system of run-off elections. They should have a full tournament style bracket with, say 20 candidates vying to make it to the final round and a loser's bracket so everyone gets a second chance.

So, at this semi-final stage, don't you think that a duel with sabres would be a good final run-off format?
Yes give Macron a Sabre and Le Pen a Rapier.
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Macron will win, but not because of the popularity of his policies, but simply because the losing left-wing parties will urge their followers to vote for him purely to keep Front Nationale out. Apparently this is pretty much "standard procedure" over there.

The President has SOME powers, but not a huge amount. However, it might be seen as a symbolic event that France effectively votes for a pro-European, pro-immigration (including refugees), pro-business president.
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Apr 23 2017, 11:35 PM
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Apr 23 2017, 11:12 PM
So seems Marine has failed to get that key 1st round win and is on track to be soundly defeated in round 2 in 2 weeks time

A bad day for those that pushed the false line that the EU is doomed and an appalling day for those that think the only thing wrong with left wing parties is they don't go left wing enough. They got utterly thrashed

An all round good day in fact :)


Will you stick your neck out and predict the outcome in a fortnights time?
OK then I reckon Macron wins with 68% of the vote
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I suspect that's a pretty good estimate, SteveK :)
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Apr 24 2017, 07:04 AM
Macron looks like just what the French do not need to me. Pro EU integration and open door immigration. Ah well, more fuel for the fire.
Yes, a former banker and someone who is part of the establishment

Just as well we don't vote for these sort of people and actually elect them!

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Apr 24 2017, 07:57 AM
Macron will win, but not because of the popularity of his policies, but simply because the losing left-wing parties will urge their followers to vote for him purely to keep Front Nationale out. Apparently this is pretty much "standard procedure" over there.

The President has SOME powers, but not a huge amount. However, it might be seen as a symbolic event that France effectively votes for a pro-European, pro-immigration (including refugees), pro-business president.
Funnily enough and only the other day I was chatting to a former French member about this very subject!
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Well, with only one week to go is anyone going to be brave enough to predict the outcome?...I certainly am not.
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Apr 23 2017, 11:12 PM
So seems Marine has failed to get that key 1st round win and is on track to be soundly defeated in round 2 in 2 weeks time

'Scuse me...

Was ANYONE saying she would win outright ?

The only coverage I saw said she was a certainly to make it to the second round where a range of factors made it difficult to call who would win in that second round. I myself have been saying from the start she would face a coming together of every one of the loser's supporters in a "FFS Stop Le Pen" campaign, which I think is what we see.

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May 1 2017, 11:17 PM
Well, with only one week to go is anyone going to be brave enough to predict the outcome?...I certainly am not.
I will

I stand by what I said in my last post.

I said all along Le Pen would make it as one of the candidates in the second round, where she would face a concerted campaign of the "FFS get out and vote for the other guy,. or she will get in" variety.

And I think she will lose, garnering some 35-45 % of the total vote.

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There was a lot of rioting again from antifa and the left, sometimes It makes you think they are secretly working for Marine Le Pen, also it seems the statement that Macron made about the terror situation has upset a lot of people. I can't be bothered linking that but he basically said he had no answer for it and people would just have to live with it. Not much different to what the Khan of London said.

Proper rioting mind you, not like the pansy ass riots the University lecturers run for fun in Berkeley commiefornia.

Sing along lads!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kEZHMP-ei8

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Raw footage from independent journalists, you know the ones that the MSM call extremist youtubers and want shut down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-LxJAzwKQ4

Who would want to be a policeman in Paris?
They ought to be allowed to shoot the lefties who are dressed like Isis.
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May 2 2017, 07:57 AM
Raw footage from independent journalists, you know the ones that the MSM call extremist youtubers and want shut down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-LxJAzwKQ4

Who would want to be a policeman in Paris?
They ought to be allowed to shoot the lefties who are dressed like Isis.
May day riots are almost a French tradition, like a proactive version of writing a letter to the Times!

And perhaps you missed the fact the punch ups involved both the far left and far right?
Details which seemed to have escaped your very restricted gaze?
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Raw footage from independent journalists, you know the ones that the MSM call extremist youtubers and want shut down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-LxJAzwKQ4

Who would want to be a policeman in Paris?
They ought to be allowed to shoot the lefties who are dressed like Isis.
May day riots are almost a French tradition, like a proactive version of writing a letter to the Times!

And perhaps you missed the fact the punch ups involved both the far left and far right?
Details which seemed to have escaped your very restricted gaze?
blah blah joe public sees where the biggest part of the violence is coming from, the same fkin side that dragged us to Iraq and then imported enough problems to leave us up to our necks in human shit.

But there is change coming regardless of the outcome of the French election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJiiwulcTe4

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Apr 23 2017, 11:12 PM
So seems Marine has failed to get that key 1st round win and is on track to be soundly defeated in round 2 in 2 weeks time

'Scuse me...

Was ANYONE saying she would win outright ?

The only coverage I saw said she was a certainly to make it to the second round where a range of factors made it difficult to call who would win in that second round. I myself have been saying from the start she would face a coming together of every one of the loser's supporters in a "FFS Stop Le Pen" campaign, which I think is what we see.

Several here talked of it being a serious possibility. The 'Do You See What I See? ' thread is a good place to look.
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France At War: May Day, Antifa, & Islam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWTt5Nnybso
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Apr 24 2017, 07:04 AM
Macron looks like just what the French do not need to me. Pro EU integration and open door immigration. Ah well, more fuel for the fire.
Macrons wife is 64..24 years older than him!!  :o
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Macron looks like just what the French do not need to me. Pro EU integration and open door immigration. Ah well, more fuel for the fire.
Macrons wife is 64..24 years older than him!!  :o
His ex teacher.
They are both into drama it seems. They have been together a long time so good luck to them on that particular front.
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Macron looks like just what the French do not need to me. Pro EU integration and open door immigration. Ah well, more fuel for the fire.
Macrons wife is 64..24 years older than him!!  :o
His ex teacher.
They are both into drama it seems. They have been together a long time so good luck to them on that particular front.
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His ex teacher.
They are both into drama it seems. They have been together a long time so good luck to them on that particular front.
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If he gets in..will he dump her for a younger model?
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If he gets in..will he dump her for a younger model?
Shrugs: I doubt it but I'm sure some people will suggest such will happen.

I wish their and all marriages well.
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If he gets in..will he dump her for a younger model?
Shrugs: I doubt it but I'm sure some people will suggest such will happen.

I wish their and all marriages well.
I am enjoying your cynicism.. ;D
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If he gets in..will he dump her for a younger model?
The French don't seem to care about that sort of thing do they? Not into curtain twitching and sideboobs.

Read up on the love life of former president Mitterand, it's like a script from a soap opera.
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Its a worry that the far right is quite so strong.. and assuming that Macron wins there is still a lot of ill will towards the EU.

I hope he has some really big sticking plasters because holding the Country together could be a big task.

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Its a worry that the far right is quite so strong.. and assuming that Macron wins there is still a lot of ill will towards the EU.

I hope he has some really big sticking plasters because holding the Country together could be a big task.

If Macron wins and opens the French doors even wider then we will all have something to worry about.

The type of future the women of Europe get rests on this French election and how French women vote will decide it for all of them.


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Its a worry that the far right is quite so strong.. and assuming that Macron wins there is still a lot of ill will towards the EU.

I hope he has some really big sticking plasters because holding the Country together could be a big task.

Please tell this far-right you speak of.

Because again, I believe people are throwing around these labels so poorly.

I couldn't find one thing that would be clearly construed as far-right in Maring Le-Pen or UKIP, two common parties accused of such, has far left and far right just been a good blanket statement at things people disagree with, seems so.
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I couldn't find one thing that would be clearly construed as far-right in Maring Le-Pen or UKIP, two common parties accused of such,
Perhaps you haven't been looking hard enough? :rubchin:

Apart from basing much of their rhetoric on foreigners bad and us as victims, support for the death penalty, brain dead nationalism with all that it entails along with an introverted economic outlook that owes more to banana republicanism than modern economics.
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I couldn't find one thing that would be clearly construed as far-right in Maring Le-Pen or UKIP, two common parties accused of such,
Perhaps you haven't been looking hard enough? :rubchin:

Apart from basing much of their rhetoric on foreigners bad and us as victims, support for the death penalty, brain dead nationalism with all that it entails along with an introverted economic outlook that owes more to banana republicanism than modern economics.
None of that is solely predicated on that, also if we are talking about the French here, Jean-Luc Mélenchon was also anti-immigration and EU, so again calling that as indicative of far-right is wrong.

Again the death penalty is allowed in many Socialist countries, a theory of the left, so again, claiming the death penalty is indicative of the far-right is wrong.

More then anything these labels which are normally inaccurate and more used to slander one's opponent.

'brain dead nationalism', the ex communist is coming out again.

The Japanese/Indians/Chinese are highly nationalistic all three are growing(Japan already hit high) and getting stronger, all of us practice some form of it, because it's one of the most successful things we've done, the nation state.

I fear you might have fallen for the media narrative here.

Also if you reply, get the far-right ideological stances and we will go through both party's manifestos and see if they match up.
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