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The French Presidential election
Topic Started: Feb 5 2017, 12:21 PM (1,308 Views)
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Back on topic.

The French Presidential election starts to kick in today with the two front runners starting their campaign.

Look very much like it's going to be a right v left final.

Le Pen looks to win the first round and Macron looks to be taking second as Fillon is being pushed out.
Edited by Opinionater, Feb 5 2017, 12:30 PM.
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May 2 2017, 10:30 AM
France At War: May Day, Antifa, & Islam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWTt5Nnybso
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWTt5Nnybso

What a piece of crap.  ::)

If the right were not so powerful and controlling in their unseen positions behind the scenes, the left would have even less to moan about.
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May 3 2017, 03:19 PM
Delf
May 2 2017, 10:30 AM
France At War: May Day, Antifa, & Islam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWTt5Nnybso
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWTt5Nnybso

What a piece of crap.  ::)

If the right were not so powerful and controlling in their unseen positions behind the scenes, the left would have even less to moan about.
Here maybe you will like this one more :)


Why Nationalism & a Unified Country TERRIFIES Wall Street
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWj7CjZwR9o
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May 3 2017, 12:41 PM


I fear you might have fallen for the media narrative here.

Yeah, right............  ::)
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May 2 2017, 10:43 PM
Its a worry that the far right is quite so strong.. and assuming that Macron wins there is still a lot of ill will towards the EU.

I hope he has some really big sticking plasters because holding the Country together could be a big task.

Don't be fooled by his comments.

He's only reaching out to the sceptics in France to win a few more votes.

His words here are pretty much hollow, he's the 'Boy From Brazil' Boy from Brussels, just another fanatic clone.

'France has no culture'. :facepalm:

Dangerous ideology here in keeping with the EU.
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May 3 2017, 07:11 PM
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May 3 2017, 03:19 PM
Delf
May 2 2017, 10:30 AM
France At War: May Day, Antifa, & Islam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWTt5Nnybso
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWTt5Nnybso

What a piece of crap.  ::)

If the right were not so powerful and controlling in their unseen positions behind the scenes, the left would have even less to moan about.
Here maybe you will like this one more :)

Why Nationalism & a Unified Country TERRIFIES Wall Street
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWj7CjZwR9o
No more Youcrap videos for me please. Can't stand extremism, it's just a waste of my time.
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C-too
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May 3 2017, 07:11 PM
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May 3 2017, 03:19 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWTt5Nnybsohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWTt5Nnybso

What a piece of crap.  ::)

If the right were not so powerful and controlling in their unseen positions behind the scenes, the left would have even less to moan about.
Here maybe you will like this one more :)

Why Nationalism & a Unified Country TERRIFIES Wall Street
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWj7CjZwR9o
No more Youcrap videos for me please. Can't stand extremism, it's just a waste of my time.
Especially if they're of that ilk

I had hoped we'd seen the last of those ridiculous Black Pigeon hate videos but seems not :banghead:
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Don't click on them then :)
 !bgrin!
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The choices are rather bleak for the French electorate, a far right nut job or a former banker, thank god our politics is not so narrow in outlook, after all we have a left wing nut job and er...a former banker.

:facepalm:

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Emmanuel Macron's campaign hacked on eve of French election

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/06/emmanuel-macron-targeted-by-hackers-on-eve-of-french-election

What the article fails to mention, however, is the information which has emerged from the leaks.

Information which shows alleged financial malfeasance, admitted insider trading from internal emails involving Morgan Stanley, knowledge of very sensitive information on total numbers of military, police assets that Macron should not have had access to, possession of classified emails between Sarkozy & Saudi Prince Nayef Ben Abdel Aziz, links with Rothschilds bank, drug dealing, and some more drugs.

Of course Macron's team can't deny that they have been hacked (confirming the leaks veracity) so they have taken to trying to discredit the information in the leaks by saying it has been mixed in with fake information to undermine Macron.

Wikileaks, who have sifted through most of the information, disagree with the Macron team's assertion.

This all comes after documents emerged last month of potential tax evasion by Macron.

And it wouldn't be an election hacking story without the Russians getting the blame.

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Ameriburgers more like, ridiculing the MSM and praying to the one true frog.
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May 6 2017, 07:00 AM
Emmanuel Macron's campaign hacked on eve of French election

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/06/emmanuel-macron-targeted-by-hackers-on-eve-of-french-election

What the article fails to mention, however, is the information which has emerged from the leaks.

Information which shows alleged financial malfeasance, admitted insider trading from internal emails involving Morgan Stanley, knowledge of very sensitive information on total numbers of military, police assets that Macron should not have had access to, possession of classified emails between Sarkozy & Saudi Prince Nayef Ben Abdel Aziz, links with Rothschilds bank, drug dealing, and some more drugs.

Of course Macron's team can't deny that they have been hacked (confirming the leaks veracity) so they have taken to trying to discredit the information in the leaks by saying it has been mixed in with fake information to undermine Macron.

Wikileaks, who have sifted through most of the information, disagree with the Macron team's assertion.

This all comes after documents emerged last month of potential tax evasion by Macron.

And it wouldn't be an election hacking story without the Russians getting the blame.

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It would seem they have got some paperwork, it would also seem a lot of ham fisted fake paperwork has also been tipped in for good measure.

I can't really see a tax haven forgetting the capital of it own jurisdiction can you?

;-)
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La Penn will come a good second to Macron but even is second place she wins in my opinion.

Why, because she will have set the scene for the next round of elections in France, the National Assembly and I think she will make major gains, making it difficult for Macron to run things.

What do you think will the FN vote die or gain momentum when it comes to the National Assembly?
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May 6 2017, 10:37 AM
La Penn will come a good second to Macron but even is second place she wins in my opinion.

Why, because she will have set the scene for the next round of elections in France, the National Assembly and I think she will make major gains, making it difficult for Macron to run things.

What do you think will the FN vote die or gain momentum when it comes to the National Assembly?
Yeah, most people don't realise that the president is not over important in France, similar to America, hence why I was never worried about Trump, who has to struggle through the senate and house to achieve anything.

This isn't like us, when we vote for parties who actually have a larger say, like you said it's the national assembly that matters, also she's probably more likely to get in next time, especially if things continue.
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MacronGate Tax Evasion 4chan Document
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEXsb_4XNA0
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May 6 2017, 10:44 AM
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Even so I think he will still win. Could be by a small majority.
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May 6 2017, 10:41 AM
Yeah, most people don't realise that the president is not over important in France,
Your perception is somewhat flawed:-

https://www.thelocal.fr/20120503/3247

The unrivalled power of the French president

The French president enjoys powers unequalled in the democratic world, a situation strengthened by a decade-old reform that reduced the chances of "cohabitation" with a government of a different political hue.

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IT HAPPENED AGAIN! #MacronLeaks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3ZZzQcCWhc

You lefties should have never messed with video games.
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May 6 2017, 10:44 AM
MacronGate Tax Evasion 4chan Document
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEXsb_4XNA0
This one explains it SO much better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FBOcNSwDF8
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No one ever got poor underestimating the intelligence of the YouTube conspiracy site viewers
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May 6 2017, 10:41 AM
Yeah, most people don't realise that the president is not over important in France, similar to America,

Luckily most people are far better informed than you! ;D
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May 6 2017, 07:04 PM
No one ever got poor underestimating the intelligence of the YouTube conspiracy site viewers
;D

Ain't that the truth!
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May 6 2017, 08:40 PM
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May 6 2017, 10:41 AM
Yeah, most people don't realise that the president is not over important in France, similar to America,

Luckily most people are far better informed than you! ;D
It isn't, also another personal attack, why aren't you banned yet?

The French President is subject to the National Assembly & Parliament, both must agree to a presidents desires, again who controls those two have the power, the President isn't powerless, but far from being the most important.

"The French Fifth Republic is a semi-presidential system. Unlike many other European presidents, the French President is quite powerful. Although it is the Prime Minister of France and parliament that oversee much of the nation's actual day-to-day affairs, the French President wields significant influence and authority, especially in the fields of national security and foreign policy. The president holds the nation's most senior office, and outranks all other politicians.

The president's greatest power is his/her ability to choose the prime minister. However, since the French National Assembly has the sole power to dismiss the Prime Minister's government, the president is forced to name a prime minister who can command the support of a majority in the assembly."

"When the majority of the Assembly has opposite political views to that of the president, this leads to political cohabitation. In that case, the president's power is diminished, since much of the de facto power relies on a supportive prime minister and National Assembly, and is not directly attributed to the post of president."

The National Assembly can remove the government, keeping in control the Presidents main strength picking the prime minister.

Unless you want to show evidence to the contrary, but I know you like to avoid such.

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May 6 2017, 08:51 PM
It isn't, also another personal attack, why aren't you banned yet?

The French President is subject to the National Assembly & Parliament, both must agree to a presidents desires, again who controls those two have the power, the President isn't powerless, but far from being the most important.

Unless you want to show evidence to the contrary, but I know you like to avoid such.

Is that the sound of screeching tyres and reverse gear being selected? :rubchin: Again! And I'm not the pedantic one on here!
Pulling you up for blurting out obvious cobblers is not a personal attack!

So the presidents of France and the US are not that important then?

I don't know why they bother voting! What a shame our former French member is no longer on here to fill you in on the details! ;-)
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May 6 2017, 08:59 PM
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May 6 2017, 08:51 PM
It isn't, also another personal attack, why aren't you banned yet?

The French President is subject to the National Assembly & Parliament, both must agree to a presidents desires, again who controls those two have the power, the President isn't powerless, but far from being the most important.

Unless you want to show evidence to the contrary, but I know you like to avoid such.

Is that the sound of screeching tyres and reverse gear being selected? :rubchin: Again!And I'm not the pedantic one on here!
Pulling you up for blurting out obvious cobblers is not a personal attack!

So the presidents of France and the US are not that important then?

I don't know why they bother voting! What a shame our former French member is no longer on here to fill you in on the details! ;-)
Might want to read my excerpts -

"The French Fifth Republic is a semi-presidential system. Unlike many other European presidents, the French President is quite powerful. Although it is the Prime Minister of France and parliament that oversee much of the nation's actual day-to-day affairs, the French President wields significant influence and authority, especially in the fields of national security and foreign policy. The president holds the nation's most senior office, and outranks all other politicians.

The president's greatest power is his/her ability to choose the prime minister. However, since the French National Assembly has the sole power to dismiss the Prime Minister's government, the president is forced to name a prime minister who can command the support of a majority in the assembly."

"When the majority of the Assembly has opposite political views to that of the president, this leads to political cohabitation. In that case, the president's power is diminished, since much of the de facto power relies on a supportive prime minister and National Assembly, and is not directly attributed to the post of president."

Showing that their President is subject to the National Assembly and Parliament, again it's far more important to take over the National Assembly the same with the Senate & Representative House in America.

So yes, the President position is over valued by people, I am not saying it's unimportant, never said that once, that would be a strawman from you if you did, but it isn't as important as you claim, I'd rather control the National Assembly.

Also don't use personal attacks, or I won't call you out.
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May 6 2017, 09:06 PM
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May 6 2017, 08:59 PM
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May 6 2017, 08:51 PM
It isn't, also another personal attack, why aren't you banned yet?

The French President is subject to the National Assembly & Parliament, both must agree to a presidents desires, again who controls those two have the power, the President isn't powerless, but far from being the most important.

Unless you want to show evidence to the contrary, but I know you like to avoid such.

Is that the sound of screeching tyres and reverse gear being selected? :rubchin: Again!And I'm not the pedantic one on here!
Pulling you up for blurting out obvious cobblers is not a personal attack!

So the presidents of France and the US are not that important then?

I don't know why they bother voting! What a shame our former French member is no longer on here to fill you in on the details! ;-)
Might want to read my excerpts -

"The French Fifth Republic is a semi-presidential system. Unlike many other European presidents, the French President is quite powerful. Although it is the Prime Minister of France and parliament that oversee much of the nation's actual day-to-day affairs, the French President wields significant influence and authority, especially in the fields of national security and foreign policy. The president holds the nation's most senior office, and outranks all other politicians.

The president's greatest power is his/her ability to choose the prime minister. However, since the French National Assembly has the sole power to dismiss the Prime Minister's government, the president is forced to name a prime minister who can command the support of a majority in the assembly."

"When the majority of the Assembly has opposite political views to that of the president, this leads to political cohabitation. In that case, the president's power is diminished, since much of the de facto power relies on a supportive prime minister and National Assembly, and is not directly attributed to the post of president."

Showing that their President is subject to the National Assembly and Parliament, again it's far more important to take over the National Assembly the same with the Senate & Representative House in America.

So yes, the President position is over valued by people, I am not saying it's unimportant, never said that once, that would be a strawman from you if you did, but it isn't as important as you claim, I'd rather control the National Assembly.

Also don't use personal attacks, or I won't call you out.
Way to much waffle, clean your posts up and avoid sweeping statements or others will help you out. Constantly! !wav!
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May 6 2017, 09:16 PM
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May 6 2017, 09:06 PM
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May 6 2017, 08:59 PM

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Might want to read my excerpts -

"The French Fifth Republic is a semi-presidential system. Unlike many other European presidents, the French President is quite powerful. Although it is the Prime Minister of France and parliament that oversee much of the nation's actual day-to-day affairs, the French President wields significant influence and authority, especially in the fields of national security and foreign policy. The president holds the nation's most senior office, and outranks all other politicians.

The president's greatest power is his/her ability to choose the prime minister. However, since the French National Assembly has the sole power to dismiss the Prime Minister's government, the president is forced to name a prime minister who can command the support of a majority in the assembly."

"When the majority of the Assembly has opposite political views to that of the president, this leads to political cohabitation. In that case, the president's power is diminished, since much of the de facto power relies on a supportive prime minister and National Assembly, and is not directly attributed to the post of president."

Showing that their President is subject to the National Assembly and Parliament, again it's far more important to take over the National Assembly the same with the Senate & Representative House in America.

So yes, the President position is over valued by people, I am not saying it's unimportant, never said that once, that would be a strawman from you if you did, but it isn't as important as you claim, I'd rather control the National Assembly.

Also don't use personal attacks, or I won't call you out.
Way to much waffle, clean your posts up and avoid sweeping statements or others will help you out. Constantly! !wav!
Still can not admit you were wrong, can you.

I've said in the beginning that the president isn't that important the National Assembly is the most important political institution.
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May 6 2017, 09:19 PM


I've said in the beginning that the president isn't that important the National Assembly is the most important political institution.
!jk!

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How strange that so much effort has been expended by so many over so much time to win the 2017 French Presidential election if supposedly the role is of little import

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I don't think she will win...there's always been a bit of magic..even though she's in the lead...
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Well well well... "hacking" again ?

It seems that left-wing parties (US Democrats, French former Socialist Party member Emmanuele Macron) are somewhat slack in their IT security.

(neither Marine le Pen, nor the US Republicans suffered this problem, despite the Republicans being attacked using the same technique).

This hardly inspires confidence in the competence of Macron's beurocracy to maintain or respect state secrets ?

Shame really, 'cos he's about to become French President.

Perhaps the UK security services should be taking note of this, and be cautious of revealing 'sources' to the French Intelligence Service ? (which are obliged to then inform the President).

NOT a good omen for security co-operation against Jihadists. But then... Macron is more worried about non-existent right-wing terrorism than he is about ACTUAL Jihadists.
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Sometimes I really wish some people would do some research before opening their gob. Since October 1958 French presidents have far more power than they did before. (Blame General De Gaulle.)

http://www.conseil-constitutionnel.fr/conseil-constitutionnel/english/constitution/constitution-of-4-october-1958.25742.html#TitleII
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May 7 2017, 03:05 PM
Sometimes I really wish some people would do some research before opening their gob. Since October 1958 French presidents have far more power than they did before. (Blame General De Gaulle.)

http://www.conseil-constitutionnel.fr/conseil-constitutionnel/english/constitution/constitution-of-4-october-1958.25742.html#TitleII
If you meant "ferme la bouche" then say so.
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May 7 2017, 03:05 PM
Sometimes I really wish some people would do some research before opening their gob. Since October 1958 French presidents have far more power than they did before. (Blame General De Gaulle.)

http://www.conseil-constitutionnel.fr/conseil-constitutionnel/english/constitution/constitution-of-4-october-1958.25742.html#TitleII
Well, yes... LOTS of things have changed since 1958.

Papasmurf, for the benefit of us uneducated morons, what is your point ?
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May 7 2017, 03:34 PM


Papasmurf, for the benefit of us uneducated morons, what is your point ?
My point is that the President of France, has more power that the Presidents of many other democracies.
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May 7 2017, 03:05 PM
Sometimes I really wish some people would do some research before opening their gob. Since October 1958 French presidents have far more power than they did before. (Blame General De Gaulle.)

http://www.conseil-constitutionnel.fr/conseil-constitutionnel/english/constitution/constitution-of-4-october-1958.25742.html#TitleII
I'm afraid none of that is true, someone has already told me off for daring to suggest otherwise.

;-)
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And a sound beating for the bigot Le Pen, a bit of sanity returns to the World. :thumbsup:
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Remember this thread Montjoie?

http://w11.zetaboards.com/UK_Debate_Mk_2/topic/10812433/1/

You spotted him before any of us did :thumbsup:
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I wonder if all the right wing Le Pen supporters will now denounce themselves as traitors and enemies of the people 😂
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May 7 2017, 08:58 PM
I wonder if all the right wing Le Pen supporters will now denounce themselves as traitors and enemies of the people 😂
;D
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