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General sexual assault discussion including Trump allegations; Off-topic diversion from "Asylum seeker commits sexual assaults..." thread
Topic Started: Feb 10 2017, 09:13 AM (67 Views)
papasmurf
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Cymru
Feb 10 2017, 05:30 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4204256/Asylum-seeker-arrested-abusing-18-women-train.html

More of that famous cultural enrichment the establishment is happy to foist on Europe.
There is no mention of 18 women on the police source the DM references at the bottom of the page. (Perhaps the DM doesn't have a fluent German speaker.)
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Cymru
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papasmurf
Feb 10 2017, 09:13 AM
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Feb 10 2017, 05:30 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4204256/Asylum-seeker-arrested-abusing-18-women-train.html

More of that famous cultural enrichment the establishment is happy to foist on Europe.
There is no mention of 18 women on the police source the DM references at the bottom of the page. (Perhaps the DM doesn't have a fluent German speaker.)
Translated it and it DOES mention 18 women.

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The evaluation of the extensive video material showed that the man bothered a total of 18 single women over a period of almost two hours by touching, partly also holding.


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Die Auswertung des umfangreichen Videomaterials ergab, dass der Mann über einen Zeitraum von fast zwei Stunden durch Berühren, teilweise auch Festhalten, insgesamt 18 allein reisenden Frauen belästigte.
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Happy Hornet
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Feb 10 2017, 09:07 AM
My own position is that 'we' have enough of 'our own' scroats and nere-do-wells, without indulging in importing 'others' ', social, cultural and 'religious' morays.
Precisely, which is why I'm opposed to inviting a foreigner who has been caught on tape boasting about sexually assaulting women into this country.

Yet some people here want to give Donald Trump a state visit.
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papasmurf
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Feb 10 2017, 09:59 AM

Specifically:

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The evaluation of the extensive video material showed that the man bothered a total of 18 single women over a period of almost two hours by touching, partly also holding.


Which is a translation of:

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Die Auswertung des umfangreichen Videomaterials ergab, dass der Mann über einen Zeitraum von fast zwei Stunden durch Berühren, teilweise auch Festhalten, insgesamt 18 allein reisenden Frauen belästigte.
That is not 18 sexual assaults. (Sorry but the DM is egging the pudding, the police report isn't.)
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Happy Hornet
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Feb 10 2017, 05:30 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4204256/Asylum-seeker-arrested-abusing-18-women-train.html

More of that famous cultural enrichment the establishment is happy to foist on Europe.
And what's the difference between this and Donald Trump groping women and grabbing them by the vagina?

Why do you condemn one but hero worship the other?

Why do you want to keep one out of the country but roll out the red carpet for the other?

Putting political partisanship before womens rights perhaps?
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papasmurf
Feb 10 2017, 10:05 AM
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Feb 10 2017, 09:59 AM

Specifically:

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The evaluation of the extensive video material showed that the man bothered a total of 18 single women over a period of almost two hours by touching, partly also holding.


Which is a translation of:

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Die Auswertung des umfangreichen Videomaterials ergab, dass der Mann über einen Zeitraum von fast zwei Stunden durch Berühren, teilweise auch Festhalten, insgesamt 18 allein reisenden Frauen belästigte.
That is not 18 sexual assaults. (Sorry but the DM is egging the pudding, the police report isn't.)
Wrong.

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Sexual assault is a sexual act in which a person is coerced or physically forced to engage against their will, or non-consensual sexual touching of a person. Sexual assault is a form of sexual violence, and it includes rape (such as forced vaginal, anal or oral penetration or drug facilitated sexual assault), groping, child sexual abuse, or the torture of the person in a sexual manner.[1][2]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault
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Happy Hornet
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papasmurf
Feb 10 2017, 10:10 AM
Oddball
Feb 10 2017, 09:07 AM
My own position is that 'we' have enough of 'our own' scroats and nere-do-wells, without indulging in importing 'others' ', social, cultural and 'religious' morays.
Quite. There is a massive and mainly unreported by the media problem with sexual assaults, including some rapes at UK music festivals.

https://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/article/solving-sexual-assault-at-british-music-festivals

It also is not a recent problem:-

http://www.safeconcerts.com/crowdsafety/prevent-sexual-assault.asp
A lot of people only pretend to care about this sort of thing when it's politically convenient.
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Feb 10 2017, 10:11 AM
Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Plus the devil is in the detail when it comes to proving sexually assault in court.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/rape_and_sexual_offences/soa_2003_and_soa_1956/#a11

Sexual Assault (section 3)

The elements of the offence of sexual assault are:
A person (A) intentionally touches another person (B)
the touching is sexual
(B) does not consent to the touching, and
(A) does not reasonably believe that (B) consents.

Key points
The meaning of sexual, consent (See Rape and Sexual Offences: Chapter 3), reasonable belief and evidential and conclusive presumptions apply to this offence.
Touching is widely defined and includes with any part of the body, or with anything else, and can be through clothing. In R v H (Karl Anthony) [2005] 2 Cr. App. R. 9, the Court of Appeal held that the touching of an individual's clothing was sufficient to amount to 'touching' for the purposes of section 3. Where touching was not automatically by its nature sexual, it was possible to ascertain whether the touching had been sexual by determining whether by its nature it might have been sexual and if so whether in the circumstances the purpose had in fact been sexual.
Touching includes touching amounting to penetration e.g. kissing. Where there is sufficient evidence, penile penetration of the vagina, anus or mouth should be charged as rape and penetration of the vagina or anus with any part of a person's body or other object should be charged as assault by penetration.
Either gender can commit the offence.
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papasmurf
Feb 10 2017, 10:17 AM
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Feb 10 2017, 10:11 AM
Wikipedia is not a reliable source.
The quoted text from the Wikipedia article is based on information from cited references, namely the Office on Women's Health, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
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Feb 10 2017, 10:07 AM
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Feb 10 2017, 05:30 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4204256/Asylum-seeker-arrested-abusing-18-women-train.html

More of that famous cultural enrichment the establishment is happy to foist on Europe.
And what's the difference between this and Donald Trump groping women and grabbing them by the vagina?
The fact that Trump has never done those things.
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Feb 10 2017, 10:27 AM
The fact that Trump has never done those things.
Really? So all his accusers are lying?
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Feb 10 2017, 10:27 AM
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Feb 10 2017, 10:07 AM
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Feb 10 2017, 05:30 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4204256/Asylum-seeker-arrested-abusing-18-women-train.html

More of that famous cultural enrichment the establishment is happy to foist on Europe.
And what's the difference between this and Donald Trump groping women and grabbing them by the vagina?
The fact that Trump has never done those things.
You mean the things he was caught on tape confessing to?
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Feb 10 2017, 10:42 AM
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Feb 10 2017, 10:27 AM
Happy Hornet
Feb 10 2017, 10:07 AM
The fact that Trump has never done those things.
You mean the things he was caught on tape confessing to?
Hardly a confession.

He was engaging in jocular bragging with a friend and did not refer to any one individual in particular.
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Feb 10 2017, 02:00 PM
Happy Hornet
Feb 10 2017, 10:42 AM
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Feb 10 2017, 10:27 AM
You mean the things he was caught on tape confessing to?
Hardly a confession.

He was engaging in jocular bragging with a friend and did not refer to any one individual in particular.
I wish all the men who had sexually harassed me in the 1970's..and I'd have had a video..I would have been been minted..
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Feb 10 2017, 02:00 PM
Happy Hornet
Feb 10 2017, 10:42 AM
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Feb 10 2017, 10:27 AM
You mean the things he was caught on tape confessing to?
Hardly a confession.

He was engaging in jocular bragging with a friend and did not refer to any one individual in particular.
So you're cool with someone bragging about sexually assualting women?
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Feb 10 2017, 02:00 PM
Hardly a confession.

He was engaging in jocular bragging with a friend and did not refer to any one individual in particular.
No, it referred to something he made a habit of.
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Feb 10 2017, 03:35 PM
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Feb 10 2017, 02:00 PM
Happy Hornet
Feb 10 2017, 10:42 AM
Hardly a confession.

He was engaging in jocular bragging with a friend and did not refer to any one individual in particular.
I wish all the men who had sexually harassed me in the 1970's..and I'd have had a video..I would have been been minted..
I'll settle for a video of the "orderly" at the Parc Hospital at Bryncethin that raped my then girlfriend wwhen she was an in patient in '76
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