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UK in Space; Sabre Engine.
Topic Started: Feb 20 2017, 09:35 AM (225 Views)
C-too
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The development of the Sabre Engine In Oxfordshire which began in 2008 is likely to be first tested in 2020. If successful, this unique engine funded largely by the government plus some funding from the European Space Agency will see a breakthrough in flight. London to Sydney in a few hours, weightless flights for those who wish for the experience. Satellite deposited in space leading to space flights.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/14615989.Oxfordshire__39_s_SABRE_rocket_engine_given___8m_injection/
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Put it in a stealthy airframe and you have your next generation of V bomber.
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Every time I look at these ideas for very high altitude air breathing engines I just think "Nah".

And after a longer think I expand that to "I smell conmen"

Anyone remember the similar idea HOTOL? That died a death too but not before they went round looking for companies to invest in it. My boss asked 'should we' and guess what I said? Yep it was "Nah" then too.
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Steve K
Feb 20 2017, 11:36 AM
Every time I look at these ideas for very high altitude air breathing engines I just think "Nah".

And after a longer think I expand that to "I smell conmen"

Anyone remember the similar idea HOTOL? That died a death too but not before they went round looking for companies to invest in it. My boss asked 'should we' and guess what I said? Yep it was "Nah" then too.
I do remember back in mid 1960s as part of visit to Vickers-Armstrongs Research & Development Department, by the engineering apprentices where I was doing my apprenticeship being asked if we wished to look at Barnes Wallis's office.
I was the ONLY one of the apprentices who jumped at the chance.
There was a design in the office for an aircraft able to fly from London to Australia in four hours. (Even back then he had designed it years before.)
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Steve K
Feb 20 2017, 11:36 AM
Every time I look at these ideas for very high altitude air breathing engines I just think "Nah".

And after a longer think I expand that to "I smell conmen"

Anyone remember the similar idea HOTOL? That died a death too but not before they went round looking for companies to invest in it. My boss asked 'should we' and guess what I said? Yep it was "Nah" then too.
Yes I remember the HOTOL fantasy which was a product of someone's imagination. This new engine the SABRE (Synergistic Air-Breathing Rocket Engine) switches between the use of air/oxygen and rocket fuel as required.

If this is a scam it has been well backed by the many people interviewed on TV along with some detail of the engine.
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Those aircraft will probably damage the Ozone layer, have all sorts of issues with sonic booms, therefore may get built but will never be allowed to fly.
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C-too
Feb 20 2017, 12:13 PM
Steve K
Feb 20 2017, 11:36 AM
Every time I look at these ideas for very high altitude air breathing engines I just think "Nah".

And after a longer think I expand that to "I smell conmen"

Anyone remember the similar idea HOTOL? That died a death too but not before they went round looking for companies to invest in it. My boss asked 'should we' and guess what I said? Yep it was "Nah" then too.
Yes I remember the HOTOL fantasy which was a product of someone's imagination. This new engine the SABRE (Synergistic Air-Breathing Rocket Engine) switches between the use of air/oxygen and rocket fuel as required.

If this is a scam it has been well backed by the many people interviewed on TV along with some detail of the engine.
HOTOL was similar tech. The difficulty is in efficiently separating Oxygen and when they are talking of using massive Helium cycle coolers to do so I can't see it working or passengers betting their lives on it. Anyway the higher you go you get more and more Nitrogen drag per Oxygen powered thrust from what's left of the air up there.

It's a Nah from me if they come asking for crowd funding
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Steve K
Feb 20 2017, 12:32 PM
C-too
Feb 20 2017, 12:13 PM
Steve K
Feb 20 2017, 11:36 AM
Every time I look at these ideas for very high altitude air breathing engines I just think "Nah".
And after a longer think I expand that to "I smell conmen"

Anyone remember the similar idea HOTOL? That died a death too but not before they went round looking for companies to invest in it. My boss asked 'should we' and guess what I said? Yep it was "Nah" then too.
Yes I remember the HOTOL fantasy which was a product of someone's imagination. This new engine the SABRE (Synergistic Air-Breathing Rocket Engine) switches between the use of air/oxygen and rocket fuel as required.

If this is a scam it has been well backed by the many people interviewed on TV along with some detail of the engine.
HOTOL was similar tech. The difficulty is in efficiently separating Oxygen and when they are talking of using massive Helium cycle coolers to do so I can't see it working or passengers betting their lives on it. Anyway the higher you go you get more and more Nitrogen drag per Oxygen powered thrust from what's left of the air up there.

It's a Nah from me if they come asking for crowd funding
It's my understanding that outside oxygen will not be required for rocket thrust once the atmosphere changes at height.

Is it all fantasy ? possibly/probably take you pick, there can't be much doubt that there must be a lot of questions needing to be answered if it is to become a reality.

Sabre might be just one step ahead of nuclear fission.
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Sabre might be just one step ahead of nuclear fission.

A fission rocket, eh?

Now THAT'S scary!
Edited by Curious Cdn, Feb 20 2017, 05:34 PM.
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C-too
Feb 20 2017, 09:35 AM
The development of the Sabre Engine In Oxfordshire which began in 2008 is likely to be first tested in 2020. If successful, this unique engine funded largely by the government plus some funding from the European Space Agency will see a breakthrough in flight. London to Sydney in a few hours, weightless flights for those who wish for the experience. Satellite deposited in space leading to space flights.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/14615989.Oxfordshire__39_s_SABRE_rocket_engine_given___8m_injection/
Forget it!

Sell all the technology to our rivals and we can then make a quick buck, and then in later years pay through the nose as they sell it back to us.

It's what we do best.  :(
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