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| Topic Started: Mar 13 2017, 07:38 AM (1,714 Views) | |
| C-too | Mar 13 2017, 07:38 AM Post #1 |
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The spat between Turkey and the Netherlands has led to some very nasty comments by Erdogan. It seems that Erdogan wants more power and control in Turkey and sees the actions by the Dutch (and Germans) as a stumbling block in his ambitions. Judging by the comments by Erdogan I would think he is not fit to have any power, authority or control anywhere. "They are Nazi remnants, they are fascists," Erdogan said, days after he angrily compared moves to block rallies in Germany to "Nazi practices". Netherlands Prime Minister Mark Rutte called Erdogan's remark comparing the Dutch to the Nazis "crazy". http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/03/turkey-tells-dutch-ambassador-don-hurry-170311201322798.html |
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| marybrown | Mar 14 2017, 04:47 PM Post #41 |
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I have a feeling that it won't be long here....Anything to fool us? |
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| C-too | Mar 14 2017, 07:17 PM Post #42 |
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At least some Muslims have no wish for the UK to become just another Islamic state, and before I get a childish 'how do you know' ? from some antagonist, I know because some have told me so. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 14 2017, 07:23 PM Post #43 |
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I agree but..go back and ask them if they only had two choices would they choose 1 an Islamic state 2 an atheist state |
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| Rich | Mar 14 2017, 07:25 PM Post #44 |
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So "some" have told you so, how many Muslims are there on this planet? "some" might have informed you that NI subscriptions would not be raised.....did you believe them too? |
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| Deleted User | Mar 14 2017, 07:29 PM Post #45 |
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Well these Muslims may not wish for the Uk to be an Islamic state but that is not the point. The point is whether they would fight other Muslims to prevent it..from day one. If not then they are irrelevant and the pro Islamic state Muslims will control the narrative and agenda. |
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| C-too | Mar 14 2017, 07:48 PM Post #46 |
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My underlying point is that not only do the majority in the UK (and almost certainly in Europe) do not want an Islamic state, but neither do all Muslims. After all it is a probability that most Muslims coming to this country have chosen not to live in an Islamic state. |
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| C-too | Mar 14 2017, 07:50 PM Post #47 |
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Silly question. You can do better.
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| Deleted User | Mar 14 2017, 07:54 PM Post #48 |
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They chose to live in a state that is not Islamic and no doubt prefer this situation to continue. That means a great deal if th situation stays the same. It means little if the situation changes. I remind you that Germany was considered one of the most liberal and civilised countries during the late 20s and early 30s. Not so when things changed eh? Sorry Mr Godwin |
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| Rich | Mar 14 2017, 07:59 PM Post #49 |
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So can you if you bothered to make coherent and credible claims. |
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| Rich | Mar 14 2017, 08:01 PM Post #50 |
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So can you if you bothered to make coherent and credible claims. |
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| C-too | Mar 14 2017, 08:01 PM Post #51 |
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I don't need to be reminded that things might change, there are many parts to this equation, I've mentioned a few. What's happening in Turkey now is an example of change. |
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| Steve K | Mar 14 2017, 08:01 PM Post #52 |
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So you tell us that a very small % of a low % minority will "control the narrative and agenda" Do you not see that looks rather improbable? |
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| Steve K | Mar 14 2017, 08:03 PM Post #53 |
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He did, shame that you didn't understand them |
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| C-too | Mar 14 2017, 08:06 PM Post #54 |
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I made a creditable claim, it just couldn't get past your biased receptor. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 14 2017, 08:11 PM Post #55 |
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Hmm well first you should consider how many Muslim would like sharia law, then consider how many would want or accept a society within a society.ie an unofficial sharia law.something that commentators say exist and demonstrably does. I don't believe that there are secular/ moderate nice and nasty Islamist with nothing in between. As you know or should know it is usually the extremists that control the agenda with the sheeples either following or putting the brakes on. I suspect that a critical mass of poor Muslims in a critical amount of Muslim ghettos would create unofficial parallel societies in the UK. The leftie love affair with Muslims would mean they would capitulate to accepting restricted Shia communities. Enough for a bit... |
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| Steve K | Mar 14 2017, 08:14 PM Post #56 |
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All looks like conjecture instead of an evidenced based assertion I go with what C-Too said
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| Deleted User | Mar 14 2017, 08:22 PM Post #57 |
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Well I would read it again . He also guesses that the majority of Muslims do not want an Islamic state and passes it off as fact. So go ahead and go with him. You should not confuse an Islamic state with ISIS ...which I suspect both of you are. As for conjecture ..of course it bloody is...unlike you friend I not only accept this ,aI went to great pains to stress it ...consider, believe, suspect should of been the give away... |
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| Steve K | Mar 14 2017, 08:27 PM Post #58 |
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Read it again gansao.. "neither do all" does not mean "none" |
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| Deleted User | Mar 14 2017, 08:29 PM Post #59 |
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I apologise and retract the first sentence. The rest of his post consists of truisms and guesswork as pointed out You just prefer his conjecture to mine. |
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| Steve K | Mar 14 2017, 08:30 PM Post #60 |
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and yet again we have a thread hobby horsed off topic Needs splitting imho, will listen to views |
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| Steve K | Mar 14 2017, 08:39 PM Post #61 |
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Back on topic Erdogan really does take this week's prize for being the most offensive world leader as he accuses the Netherlands of participating in the Srebrenica massacre[1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39270095 [1] not their finest moment for sure but they did not participate, just decided not to defend the occupants to the death |
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| Deleted User | Mar 14 2017, 08:54 PM Post #62 |
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Has he threatened to flood Europe with migrants lately? [1] not their finest moment for sure but they did not participate, just decided not to defend the occupants to the death |
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| Tigger | Mar 14 2017, 09:22 PM Post #63 |
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Nail your claims to the underside of a stool, he won't miss them.
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| Tigger | Mar 14 2017, 09:23 PM Post #64 |
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That will be his next party trick, the bloke is clearly off his nut! |
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| Deleted User | Mar 14 2017, 09:27 PM Post #65 |
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On the contrary . He is playing the EU like a violin..must be having lessons from Putin |
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| Tigger | Mar 14 2017, 09:35 PM Post #66 |
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How do you work that one out? Acting like a five year old to placate his rabid supporters at home is hardly likely tp play well anywhere else is it? Perhaps you've been reading the Express again? |
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| Deleted User | Mar 14 2017, 09:41 PM Post #67 |
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Perhaps you've been reading the beano. He doesn't give a shit about the EU and ( if you didn't notice) doesn't need to placate his rabid supporters because they are his SUPPORTERS ffs. He has the EU by their tiny testicles ...
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| Tigger | Mar 14 2017, 09:49 PM Post #68 |
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You don't half come out with some old pony! Europe is possibly the only sensible place currently left in the Western Hemisphere!! At times it seems to be surrounded by der brained nationalists, assorted religious bigots and cretins who can only understand news if it's cut up into easily digested chunks! |
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| Deleted User | Mar 14 2017, 09:51 PM Post #69 |
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I think Herr Lip is putting too much gin in your tonic. |
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| Tigger | Mar 14 2017, 10:02 PM Post #70 |
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Nasty kebab man saying horrible things to EU, EU sure to collapse under weight of horrid words!
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| Deleted User | Mar 14 2017, 10:07 PM Post #71 |
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Nope they will not collapse under the weight of migrants either..Mrs Merkel will make sure Ergodan will get what he wants .
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| Rich | Mar 14 2017, 10:43 PM Post #72 |
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Frau Merkel may well go the same way as Cameron by September, at the very least he had the decency to get out of the way of the steamtrain that he created. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 14 2017, 10:55 PM Post #73 |
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Merkel and pals sub contracted their dirty work to Erdogan because they didn't have the balls to do it themselves. Now Turkey can blackmail the EU by threats. The EU with the help of the US ( Under Obama) fecked up in the Ukraine then handed their balls on a plate to Erdogan. At least one EU fanboy thinks this somehow is a victory for the EU. |
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| Rich | Mar 14 2017, 11:27 PM Post #74 |
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I wonder whom that can be, hmmm, now let me think a while
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| C-too | Mar 15 2017, 09:00 AM Post #75 |
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Once again you impose your own assumptions onto a post instead of perhaps asking for clarification. Your comment says so much more about yourself than it says about the comment you pontificate on. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 15 2017, 09:07 AM Post #76 |
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Well I could say the same thing about your assumptions ,silly truisms and confused thinking..hang on...I did. Anything to contribute instead of peevish and infantile insults? Thought not.. |
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| Steve K | Mar 15 2017, 10:10 AM Post #77 |
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Oh the irony |
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| Deleted User | Mar 15 2017, 10:38 AM Post #78 |
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Nope. I made it plain that I was speculating but you needed to have this pointed out. Your mate thinks his speculation mixed with truisms are somehow factual. You chose to believe your mates speculation over mine..good luck to you. Now let's see you post ..Oh the irony in reply to your mates post..I won't hold my breath |
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| C-too | Mar 15 2017, 12:39 PM Post #79 |
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Mountain out of a mole hill comes to mind. Antagonism rules. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 15 2017, 12:45 PM Post #80 |
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When it comes to projection you must have a black belt
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Silly question. You can do better.

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