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| The Brexit self harm thread! ; merged with Learn to wipe your own arse? | |
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| Topic Started: Feb 22 2017, 10:43 AM (2,530 Views) | |
| Tigger | Feb 22 2017, 10:43 AM Post #1 |
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These incidents are going to become increasingly common, and very funny! , A poll conducted last April by trade magazine Farmers Weekly concluded that 58% of farmers wanted out of the EU, and from today's Times, we now have farmers fretting about who is going to harvest their spring crops! With the £ so low and the message getting through that foreigners are no longer welcome in the way they once were the number of crop pickers from EE has plumeted, not to worry though farmers are calling for tens of thousands of NON EU citizens to be bussed in! No wonder David Davis wants mass immigration to continue! |
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| Steve K | Oct 31 2017, 10:55 AM Post #361 |
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And more as the BoE says it looks like we'll lost 75,000 jobs in Financial Services (which will mean many more in the businesses that supply them or where those employee spend their money) And then there's the lost tax revenue. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41803604 Brexit really is the thief that keeps on taking |
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| Mr Pat | Oct 31 2017, 11:54 AM Post #362 |
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Even if 75,000 jobs do go, London would still be by far the largest financial centre in Europe with over one million people employed in financial services in the capital and across the rest of Britain. And the UK would still enjoy a healthy trade surplus in financial services with the rest of the EU worth many tens of billions of pounds http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41803604 |
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| Tigger | Oct 31 2017, 12:00 PM Post #363 |
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Just a scratch perhaps? You are beginning to sound like that Knight in the Holy Grail. Hope and pray the Germans and French are not as good at financial services as they are at making things.......... |
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| Mr Pat | Oct 31 2017, 12:21 PM Post #364 |
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Just a transient scratch. BTW, I didn't say anything, I just quoted part of the article Steve posted.
Edited by Mr Pat, Oct 31 2017, 12:22 PM.
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| Steve K | Oct 31 2017, 12:24 PM Post #365 |
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but we would still be manifestly worse off than before because that's a serious impact - just like the Lead Leavers lied that we wouldn't be.How many wheels have to come off that Vote Leave house of myths before you realise you were conned? |
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| Tigger | Oct 31 2017, 12:25 PM Post #366 |
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The scratch might get infected? A lot of bad medics running the show at the moment.............. |
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| Tigger | Oct 31 2017, 12:26 PM Post #367 |
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All of em, including the spare.
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| Mr Pat | Oct 31 2017, 12:35 PM Post #368 |
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I haven't been conned. Those numbers are estimation, not definitive, and are a pretty small number in the bigger picture. No wheels have come off. Besides, I used YOUR own article to highlight that the sky won't cave in - if you didn't like it, you shouldn't have posted the article in the first place. But considering your motive was all prospective doom and gloom, you had to remove the wider context, and you couldn't help yourself could you. Edited by Mr Pat, Oct 31 2017, 12:42 PM.
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| Steve K | Oct 31 2017, 12:46 PM Post #369 |
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So are you saying that I or anyone actually said "the sky would cave in"? Please clarify. If you are, please note it would of course be a false statement knowingly made to say I said the sky would cave in It has unfortunately become a standard Uber Leaver tactic #3: poison sensible debate by taking the other's statement, wildly exaggerate it and then pretend that showing the wild exaggeration is false means all the other's position is false. It's a foul tactic You take 75,000 jobs out of the UK Financial Services and many more thousands of people will suffer serious consequences. How noble of you to wish misery on them just so you can pursue this flawed dream. Edited by Steve K, Nov 3 2017, 12:16 AM.
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| Rich | Oct 31 2017, 07:47 PM Post #370 |
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I certainly realise that we have been conned......by Ted Heath and other successive Prime ministers and governments for 40 odd years. We were, to be fair, not lied to, but we were not told the whole truth ever since we joined an "economic community" which as we can see to this day has developed into a European club that has aspirations to become a superstate and answerable to no one but Brussels. Political and Fiscal union that before it was even nascent is ruining the less well off member states and the wealthier members have taken umbrage that the UK had the temerity to leave and mean that those wealthier members will have to dig deeper to make up the shortfall. |
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| Tigger | Oct 31 2017, 08:52 PM Post #371 |
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Looks to me as if the wheels are piled up in the corner and will shortly be fitted. The first one to go on has got inflate to £20bn before use engraved on the rim, oh and no whistling during the fitting
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| Mr Pat | Oct 31 2017, 09:14 PM Post #372 |
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Give yourself a warning! I did not say that YOU said the sky would fall in, stop twisting my words and accusing me of lying all the time, you have a nasty habit of ad hom-ing people, then cry foul when you think others do it. The words came from your article, the wider context which you conveniently omitted, I didn't even post my opinion to that and you started frothing at the mouth. But then again, that is standard uber remainer tactic #1 - scope the news for any negative impact of Brexit then try and revel in it with an 'I told you so'/ It's a foul tactic Mr. K, and it shows you have a problem with the democratic vote of choice (you've already shown that by demanding a second referendum but you should wait 41 years at your moral shop for that if you want to be totally evenhanded, but you don't the consensus has to remain, and it has to be on all your terms), whilst continuing to try and smoother the eventual process of it with as many scare glitches along the way. |
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| Steve K | Oct 31 2017, 11:15 PM Post #373 |
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Perhaps you forgot that you posted "I used YOUR own article to highlight that the sky won't cave in - if you didn't like it, you shouldn't have posted the article in the first place" Which of course was to suggest that someone had said the sky would fall in. But they hadn't so it was a false assertion willingly made. Neither clever nor good. |
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| Tigger | Oct 31 2017, 11:33 PM Post #374 |
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Yup you bet! And when leavers start losing their jobs it'll be even worse! And no the sky won't fall in or the UK collapse, but we'll all know what an almighty fuck up you lot made! |
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| Mr Pat | Nov 1 2017, 05:46 AM Post #375 |
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I did not explicitly say that about you, nor did I even imply that it was about you. I'm calling BS on that. It was figuratively speaking. An Honourable person would admit they got it wrong by making a foul accusation and then would retract it, but I won't hold my breath with you on that one - you are renown for poor form on that. Neither clever nor good. Edited by Mr Pat, Nov 1 2017, 09:15 AM.
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| Steve K | Nov 1 2017, 09:16 AM Post #376 |
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No one put a gun to your head and forced you to post "I used YOUR own article to highlight that the sky won't cave in - if you didn't like it, you shouldn't have posted the article in the first place" did they. You seem upset that it's attracted a relevant attack on content response. Well tough luck, this is a debate site Mr Pat and that means at times statements are going to get challenged, sometimes robustly and there is no rule giving special protection to pro Leave statements. If there were this would be called 'LeaveDebateUK a non Free Speech site'. But if you want examples of ad homs here are two from your very own post
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| Mr Pat | Nov 1 2017, 09:30 AM Post #377 |
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Yes, this is a debate site not UKStevek's stroke-a-pedantic-ego.com There was nothing wrong with my post, so quite why you've used a the gun idiom I have no idea. You accused me of lying, you wasn't attacking the content you was attacking me, you accused me of lying. End of. There was nothing whatsoever "robust" about that, in fact it was breaking the rules you love to play when they serve you. As you initially started an unwarranted ad hom attack for no reason. But you won't hold your hands up to that, so you DO leave yourself open for return ad homs. |
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| Steve K | Nov 1 2017, 09:35 AM Post #378 |
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I did not accuse you of lying Please quote where I say "you are lying" or even "you are a liar" Won't hold my breath. I said it would be a lie to say I said "the sky would fall in". Got it now? Edited by Steve K, Nov 1 2017, 09:37 AM.
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| Mr Pat | Nov 1 2017, 09:46 AM Post #379 |
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So, it's 'of course a lie to say that'? Either I lied, or I didn't. Which is it Steve? 'It poison's sensible debate'. There was nothing sensible about saying "Brexit the thief that keeps on giving". 'It's a foul tactic'. And, according to you, you think I know I have a problem convincing myself. WTF. Why are you making this personal, about me, you have NO IDEA what I think. You've played the man and not the ball. Your whole post here was on the premise I said you said the sky would fall in. And you went on a personal attack throughout it based on that. Yet, I never said you said that, but that didn't stop you to make a post riddled with malicious ad hom attacks towards me, did it. There also was nothing sensible about omitting other relevant parts of the article YOU posted up to keep up with the narrative you continue to push. You got called on it. You didn't like it, so you started with the accusations of lying once you got called on omitting context. Then you started with language like poison debate, and foul tactics and all the other slurs. Don't worry, I'm not in a position to blackmail you into making a publicly humiliating apology so you can get your warnings rescinded - that's your standard ego driven trick. Edited by Mr Pat, Nov 1 2017, 10:00 AM.
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| Steve K | Nov 1 2017, 10:23 AM Post #380 |
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Oh do stop whining. Three in One oil is so readily available these days You accuse me of selectively quoting a third party copyright article when we have clear rules here saying that quotes of such have to be kept as small as possible and if you look you'll see I didn't lift any text from it and just paraphrased the "Bank of England believes Brexit could cost 75,000 finance jobs" headline it had. You also rant on about the fact that I attacked the content and the implied content of your post in several places and so you have decided you can infer that's an implied ad hom and therefore the biggest crime in history. It's not. So ho hum another day and another highly construed attack on me. Perhaps I could encourage you to post cogent arguments in support of your political position. |
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| Mr Pat | Nov 1 2017, 10:36 AM Post #381 |
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You haven't answered my question. Did I lie Steve or did I not? Failing to answer that question, this mod goes back on ignore! |
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| Steve K | Nov 1 2017, 08:13 PM Post #382 |
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Well to avoid discussing lies you may have posted elsewhere, let's constrain the issue to this post of yours which appears to be the point at hand And with the definition of a lie being a false statement knowingly made: a) you implied a false statement knowing it was false[1] and b) you made a false statement you ought to have know was false[2] and c) you did same again[3], and d) yet again[4] So I don't know if you lied because I do not know what you believed when you made those statements. But then I did not call you a liar did I. So your turn now, I repeat the challenge made in post 378 Please quote where I say "you are lying" or even "you are a liar" [1] "I used YOUR own article to highlight that the sky won't cave in - if you didn't like it, you shouldn't have posted the article in the first place." [2] "But considering your motive was all prospective doom and gloom", [3] "you had to remove the wider context" [4] "you couldn't help yourself could you." |
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| Steve K | Nov 2 2017, 09:06 AM Post #383 |
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I will edit the post update: have done. The strike outs will be removed later I did not call Mr Pat a liar however I'm aware that some believe I used words that were as 'good as'. That wasn't my intent and the edited form now makes clear the conditional nature of the comment I was making. This also brings up consideration of the so called indirect or potentially inferable insult. Something that is unclear in our rules. But yes I should have taken more care Some subsequent posts above may be moved from the thread to where they would not break the rules Edited by Steve K, Nov 2 2017, 09:33 AM.
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| ACH1967 | Nov 2 2017, 03:25 PM Post #384 |
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I would stop debating Europe if I were you. It's becoming pretty clear that people are far more interested in throwing insults around as soon as they realised they have posted something they can't support rather than hold their hands up. There really is no point. For example you have given posts on why the EU cannot become federal superstate and still people talk about an unanswerable superstate and hidden agendas. There are people who believe what they want to believe so why they bother to come to a debating site is a mystery to me. |
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| Tigger | Nov 2 2017, 06:28 PM Post #385 |
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Europe could turn into a superstate one day, but it's clearly not going to happen in the near future, and that is all the Europhobes need to keep the illusion going, what they never contemplate is if it's successful where does that leave the UK? |
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| Affa | Nov 2 2017, 09:10 PM Post #386 |
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As a climb down it is welcomed. The pity is that you decided not to go all the way and apologise. |
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| xosg | Nov 14 2017, 07:55 PM Post #387 |
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You mean the same bank who said "An immediate recession,Doom and Gloom " couldn't make it up could ya
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| Rich | Nov 14 2017, 08:11 PM Post #388 |
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I think that Micheal Bloomberg should be given the same credibility as Mark Carney when it comes to finances. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41980919 |
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| Steve K | Nov 14 2017, 08:46 PM Post #389 |
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But apparently you will make it up Go on prove me wrong by posting a link to the Bank of England making such a statement |
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| xosg | Nov 14 2017, 11:45 PM Post #390 |
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BEFORE http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36273448 https://news.sky.com/video/former-tory-chancellor-says-bank-governor-cannot-predict-recession-10282863 AFTER https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1746269/bank-of-england-boss-mark-carney-admits-the-economy-has-recovered-despite-his-apocalyptic-predictions/ NEXT
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| Steve K | Nov 14 2017, 11:50 PM Post #391 |
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You said: "You mean the same bank who said "An immediate recession,Doom and Gloom " couldn't make it up could ya" And when challenged you then post a link that says "Brexit vote may spark recession, Mark Carney warns" You don't exactly need to be a world spot the difference champion to see they are far from the same do you? |
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| xosg | Nov 15 2017, 12:15 PM Post #392 |
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It doesn't matter what anyone puts down,you always seem to debunk it.Never mind that is your right |
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| Steve K | Nov 15 2017, 04:49 PM Post #393 |
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Well if people don't like false stories being debunked they have a very simple and obvious solution |
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but we would still be manifestly worse off than before because that's a serious impact - just like the Lead Leavers lied that we wouldn't be.

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