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| The Brexit self harm thread! ; merged with Learn to wipe your own arse? | |
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| Topic Started: Feb 22 2017, 10:43 AM (2,538 Views) | |
| Tigger | Feb 22 2017, 10:43 AM Post #1 |
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These incidents are going to become increasingly common, and very funny! , A poll conducted last April by trade magazine Farmers Weekly concluded that 58% of farmers wanted out of the EU, and from today's Times, we now have farmers fretting about who is going to harvest their spring crops! With the £ so low and the message getting through that foreigners are no longer welcome in the way they once were the number of crop pickers from EE has plumeted, not to worry though farmers are calling for tens of thousands of NON EU citizens to be bussed in! No wonder David Davis wants mass immigration to continue! |
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| Deleted User | Mar 27 2017, 10:16 AM Post #81 |
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/\Don't bother Steve.Ill do that for you. |
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| Steve K | Mar 27 2017, 10:25 AM Post #82 |
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Surely there is some truth either way Several industry and farming leads have talked to the need to continue to import cheaper (thn UK equivalent) labour to keep their businesses going and we know India has said it wants freer movement as part of doing a free trade deal so Tigger's point has a basis. Surely it's also likely that the existing level of EU migrants here that go back will continue but the influx will dramatically reduce and on a hard Brexit will zero. That must be a net outflux. Until we see how Brexit shapes up with the EU and what good, bad or fair deals Boris/Fox do, no one really knows |
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| Deleted User | Mar 27 2017, 10:42 AM Post #83 |
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There is no truth either way because ,as you say, nothing is decided yet . Telling us that old people will be left without care because migrants will leave when the poster had told us previously that we will exchange EU migrants for Asian ones is either outright dishonesty or a sign of failing memory. Telling us that old people will be left without care because EU migrants will leave post Brexit is wild speculation at the very least. Does the poster really think that the UK will boot out EU migrants? What evidence is there? What MAY happen is that Controls will be put on future migrants. I very much doubt that even the hardest of Brexits will result in EU national getting kicked out. Yes I have slightly mirrored your post but you do not seem to have grasped that Tigger has simply contradicted a previous claim while making this one. The fact that he may be right in that we will get brown migrants instead of white ones supports my point rather than his. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 27 2017, 02:00 PM Post #84 |
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Well that pretty much debatable. There are views that the idea of a political union was hidden in plain sight, others that it was mooted later on. The fact is that a hidden agenda of political union has always been denied by some and advocated by others. I think it has been pretty clear for a long time that there is a desire political forum union in the EU and some measure to achieve it. Trouble is that afaik there is no actual outright declaration . |
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| Steve K | Mar 27 2017, 02:06 PM Post #85 |
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It was already blocked Please say just which UK state powers as of June 2016 could have transferred to the EU without the clear consent of the British people via a referendum (ignoring for now the other interlocks in the other 27 states) The answer is sod all |
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| Deleted User | Mar 27 2017, 02:35 PM Post #86 |
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You missed the point by a mile. Blocks can be removed with enough will and consensus. Please read the post again. As a reference you can say that Scottish independence has been blocked..that doesn't mean that the will is not there or that it could not be in the future. |
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| Steve K | Mar 27 2017, 04:35 PM Post #87 |
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But I didn't and wouldn't say that Scottish Independence has been blocked Seems you haven't read even a synopsis of the 2011 European (Referendum) Act because if you had you would realise that the vestigial EU support for political union was well and truly blocked by that Act - well until such time as we trigger Art 50 and remove that block on the other 27 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/12/contents |
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| Deleted User | Mar 27 2017, 04:38 PM Post #88 |
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So you are saying that while the UK was a member of the EU there was no possibility of political union? I can only see a provision that any powers transferred to the EU has to be agreed by parliament....which is not really a block is it? |
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| Steve K | Mar 27 2017, 04:52 PM Post #89 |
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And another piece of potential karma "Parts of UK that voted for Brexit may be hardest hit, study finds" |
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| Steve K | Mar 27 2017, 04:53 PM Post #90 |
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Read it again Anything meaningful and there had to be referendum approval. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 27 2017, 04:55 PM Post #91 |
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Fair enough. That means a Scottish referendum is blocked then...government approval then referendum. Powers transferred to EU ..government approval then referendum. As I said you missed the point. I was referring to intent and agenda by prominent EU members . |
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| Tigger | Mar 27 2017, 08:03 PM Post #92 |
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Good news! Negative personel consequences are the only thing Brexitards understand! Will they start to think afterwards? Who knows! Who cares! |
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| Steve K | Mar 27 2017, 08:13 PM Post #93 |
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Oh to be a fly on the wall in Sunderland when the penny finally drops But Schadenfreude really isn't a good thing is it |
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| Rich | Mar 27 2017, 08:16 PM Post #94 |
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Not unless one is a remainer, or so it would seem. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 27 2017, 08:16 PM Post #95 |
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We're going over the precipice soon. ...weeee...! |
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| Tigger | Mar 27 2017, 08:16 PM Post #96 |
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Well as you know I used to work in the construction industry, and I have already been hearing from other firms how many of their foreign workers will not be staying for much longer, can't think why! But don't just take my word for it, Sky news reported last month that the builders of overpriced shoe boxes Barrett homes and Permisson were already suffering the loss of skilled migrants who they claimed make up around 40% of the workforce, luckily we never employed foreigners but trained up our own people, I'm informed we have a full order book and lower paid work is being turned away now, I'm over the moon as I'm still a partner and can look forward to a bumper pay rise this year! Actually for some reason I'm starting to warm to Brexit now.
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| Deleted User | Mar 27 2017, 08:17 PM Post #97 |
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Yup . Some of the bitter remainers have put bad losing into a new league. |
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| Tigger | Mar 27 2017, 08:19 PM Post #98 |
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Don't forget the Tories are looking to fast track Commonwealth immigration, of course less well educated/informed Brexiteers will take this to mean white people from say Canada, NZ and Oz, but the reality will be brown people doing low skilled jobs. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 27 2017, 08:22 PM Post #99 |
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Yes we know you worked in the construction industry , you mentioned it more than once. No I won't take your or anyone else's word for it because it basically is bollocks. Even if the jerry building poles are leaving in droves ( which they are not because there is no reason to leave) I doubt that many others are..because there is no reason to leave the UK post Brexit. Anyway , as you pointed out , people can be trained. After all gas fitters are just plumbers who can add up and don't mind burning their hands. Fake news anyone? |
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| Deleted User | Mar 27 2017, 08:24 PM Post #100 |
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Only in the world between your ears. If the Tories really are looking to fast track commonwealth immigration then we will not have a problem about losing migrants will we? Do you not realise that you are contradicting yourself or does this not matter in your haste to spread nonsense? |
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| Tigger | Mar 27 2017, 08:32 PM Post #101 |
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I think it's a brilliant thing, as a parent I sometimes failed to get a message across and as a consquence the little darling got themselves into bother. Despite the Mrs protestations I would often laugh at the problems they caused themselves, but they did eventually learn and think for themselves.(Most of the time, the thick one is still a problem) Whether that will happen across the nation as a whole, well that's anyones guess given the current direction of travel. |
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| Tigger | Mar 27 2017, 08:35 PM Post #102 |
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It'll be a slow decline, a drip drip of minor dissapointments, and one day we'll wake up and remember we fucked ourselves up and we can't blame foreigners any more! |
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| Steve K | Mar 27 2017, 08:41 PM Post #103 |
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Well if you look back, it started post referendum on this forum with a group of Brexshitters making attacks. In later days what we've tended to see is Leavers boasting about how great it's going to be, BSing about how bad it was going to be and all along not answering bleeding obvious questions as to how we get from where we are to an acceptable outcome. And at the same time Remainers pointing out, yes sometimes aggressively, that it all looks rather more like a dog's breakfast than a hearty Full English. Brexit won't be a disaster but on the evidence the range of outcomes vary from significantly worse than it could have been to almost as good as it could have been. |
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| Steve K | Mar 27 2017, 08:47 PM Post #104 |
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Yes I suggest Tigger needs to produce a link to back that "the Tories are looking to fast track Commonwealth immigration" assertion. It rather niffs of BS |
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| Steve K | Mar 27 2017, 08:48 PM Post #105 |
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Anyone got a good reason why this and the 'self harm' thread shouldn't be merged? |
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| Tigger | Mar 27 2017, 08:50 PM Post #106 |
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Hope your kids aren't expecting to get cheaper houses or rent reductions! |
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| Deleted User | Mar 27 2017, 08:50 PM Post #107 |
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Or if look back it started with a group of remoaners insisting that Brexit will result in disaster and doom ..tomorrow and getting more and more bitter plus ramping up the rhetoric every time tomorrow doesn't come. You are correct Brexit will not be a disaster. It will be tricky and problematic but not a disaster. As I have pointed out so many times to the resident remoaners....problems were anticipated by brexiters and accepted. This simple point seems to go over their heads every time it is said. The scare stories that never come to pass seem to have disappeared into the same void ..funny that. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 27 2017, 08:54 PM Post #108 |
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Well that was a bit random. Did you take that out of your back passage or back pocket?
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| Rich | Mar 27 2017, 08:57 PM Post #109 |
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"Brexishitters" eh?......yes, the true colours are shining through now. You know, I am listening to Nick Clegg holding forth at the moment as I type, on a special edition of Question Time and I must conclude that the more that he opens that orifice beneath his nose then the more I am convinced that it is missing some hair from around it. |
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| Tigger | Mar 27 2017, 09:02 PM Post #110 |
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It's brown and uneducated people they want to let in, do you realise how this will go down with elderly Brexiteers? I thought we wanted to take back control and give our own people jobs? Anyway back in February 45 mainly backbench Tory MP's sent a letter to the Home Secretary asking that the residents of the 52 Commonwealth nations have visa applications fast tracked to encourge more to come here, the letter was published in the Daily Telegraph, probably on account it would be seen by the business community but not the plebs who are more concerned about Kim Kardassians arse or the fact that Liz Hurley was displaying some sideboob on a beach in Fiji. |
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| Steve K | Mar 27 2017, 09:05 PM Post #111 |
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Perhaps you didn't understand. I said if you look back not if you imagine you were looking back Here's the relevant thread http://w11.zetaboards.com/UK_Debate_Mk_2/topic/11682172/1/ June 24th 10.30am and someone is posting "The left leaning, carey sharey, weepy creepy, idealistic caring for all community, are not as representive as they think they are." followed by another Breshitter posting "Exactly there even turning on their own. That's what lefties do when HUMILIATED they start looking for victims regardless who they are" Strangely I can't see any trace of you posting along the lines of "that's not right" to rebut such Brexshittering |
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| Steve K | Mar 27 2017, 09:09 PM Post #112 |
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The leavers started it throwing Remoaner shit. The search engine is working now so if you use it you'll see that's the case
Bit harsh but he's showing again that he may have ideas he's thought through but his mind goes blank at the key moments IMHO Davies and Starmer have done well, Evans yet again a self obsessed vacuous disaster and worryingly Alex Salmond has been the true star. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 27 2017, 09:09 PM Post #113 |
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Well I don't think that is lesser hyperbole that our resident remoaner pub bore posts..and I don't see you post ' that's not right ' to rebut such remoaner bollocks either. |
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| Steve K | Mar 27 2017, 09:11 PM Post #114 |
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Specsavers await your call. Just 24 minutes ago: http://w11.zetaboards.com/UK_Debate_Mk_2/single/?p=10040204&t=30189974 |
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| Deleted User | Mar 27 2017, 09:13 PM Post #115 |
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I await Steve K to tell you ..that's not right ( about the claim regarding brexiters that only exists between your ears )....right on cue |
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| Steve K | Mar 27 2017, 09:18 PM Post #116 |
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Yes you do have to wonder how someone can equate less than 20% of Tory MPs (and those that have failed to get any office to boot) as being evidence of all Tories or even of leading Tories. So yep it was obviously BS by Tigger |
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| Tigger | Mar 27 2017, 09:30 PM Post #117 |
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Ah! but they did send the letter and it was published in the Telegraph! Let's not pretend that right wing back bench Tory MP's, who incidentally May is currently indulging to keep them quiet, actually care about anything else apart from dosh and retaining the perks of life poorly regulated labour confers on those with the money, ie themselves and likeminded folks. So basically we can expect to see a mushroom cloud over Reading in the not to distant future and the fallout will consist of chair legs and Imperial micrometers. |
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| Steve K | Mar 27 2017, 09:38 PM Post #118 |
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You'd do better to just say "fair enough I was wrong". It's not like anyone was fooled |
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| Tigger | Mar 27 2017, 09:48 PM Post #119 |
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How can I be wrong when 45 Tory MP's did ask the Home Sec to fast track visa's for Commonwealth citizens? That asparagas won't pick itself you know! And who is going to clean the houses of millions of well to do English ladies who are too busy patronising unemployed Brits to have the spare time to wave the Dyson around? |
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| Steve K | Mar 27 2017, 10:04 PM Post #120 |
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Perhaps you forgot that you posted "Don't forget the Tories are looking to fast track Commonwealth immigration" and not "Don't forget some back bench Tories are looking to fast track Commonwealth immigration" Schoolboy error by you or deliberate attempt to mislead? Please say |
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