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| The Brexit self harm thread! ; merged with Learn to wipe your own arse? | |
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| Topic Started: Feb 22 2017, 10:43 AM (2,537 Views) | |
| Tigger | Feb 22 2017, 10:43 AM Post #1 |
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These incidents are going to become increasingly common, and very funny! , A poll conducted last April by trade magazine Farmers Weekly concluded that 58% of farmers wanted out of the EU, and from today's Times, we now have farmers fretting about who is going to harvest their spring crops! With the £ so low and the message getting through that foreigners are no longer welcome in the way they once were the number of crop pickers from EE has plumeted, not to worry though farmers are calling for tens of thousands of NON EU citizens to be bussed in! No wonder David Davis wants mass immigration to continue! |
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| Rich | Mar 27 2017, 10:07 PM Post #121 |
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Good idea, saves me nipping back and forth. |
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| Steve K | Mar 27 2017, 10:13 PM Post #122 |
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Watch this space, thread closed while I sort it |
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| Rich | Mar 27 2017, 10:15 PM Post #123 |
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Maybe harsh but true, Bloody Dimbleby loves his own voice and keeps interrupting, that Starmer chap should have his adenoids removed his voice is so annoying, Clegg and Salmond are on different planets. |
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| Tigger | Mar 28 2017, 06:53 PM Post #124 |
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More schoolboy stuff from me, David Davis said (yesterday) we'll still need plenty of immigration so that's his landowning mates sorted, and today Tory MEP David Campbell Bannerman who was on Sky News earlier was asked twice, and separetely, how Britain could gain a competitive advantage, cut red tape and loosen employment regulation, this hinderence is apparently a reason we don't do as well as we should! Can't wait to see the look on millions of faces when it finally sinks in they have fucked themselves over, again!
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| Tigger | Mar 28 2017, 06:55 PM Post #125 |
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^ Brexit Taliban going after anyone who is not a fully committed Brexit robot? I'm seeing a lot of this sort of thing in the wider media as well. |
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| RoofGardener | Mar 28 2017, 07:01 PM Post #126 |
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What's all this fuss about needing migrant workers ? If we need them, we can have them. The only difference is that post-Brexit, it is US who chose how many we want, and from what parts of the world. |
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| Rich | Mar 28 2017, 07:07 PM Post #127 |
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What we need is skills and not non skilled seasonal workers. We will not only be able to pick and choose those skill when we have control back, but we will be in a good position to incentivise them to come here. |
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| Tigger | Mar 28 2017, 07:08 PM Post #128 |
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I've talked myself hoarse on this one and it never quite sinks in, we were able to control our borders whilst we were in the EU, this and previous governments chose not to, other EU nations put paperwork hurdles in the way, we didn't! Here is a prediction, as low skilled industries struggle white EE's will be replaced with plucky brown folks from the Commonwealth, remember you heard it here first. |
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| RoofGardener | Mar 28 2017, 07:14 PM Post #129 |
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I understand your point Tigger, but I don't think it is correct. Currently, the EU has a say in how we manage our borders, with specific reference to EU citizens wanting to enter the country for work. Post-brexit, they will not. WE (or at least, our government) will have control. Whether they USE that control wisely is - of course - another point. On the flip-side, we will have absolute discretion over allowing migrant workers to enter the country for seasonal work (e.g. the proverbial hop-picking) once Brexit is complete. So there is no reason why there should be a post-Brexit workers shortage. |
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| Tigger | Mar 28 2017, 07:37 PM Post #130 |
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Wrong. I've lost count of the number of times in the past I witnessed bus loads of foreign worker turning up on building sites, they were trasported over by British agencies, found accomodation, issued NI numbers, put through H&S and given jobs, the lack of regulation in this country made this possible, it is not the EU's fault we have the laxest labour market in Europe. I'm very familiar with the working practices in two EU countries and I'll mention Denmark in this instance, you cannot just turn up there and get a job, you'll need reams of paperwork, a job offer and in some instances even a reference, just arriving on a whim and looking for a job just won't cut it there. Most employers would not touch you with a barge pole. Edited by Tigger, Mar 28 2017, 07:38 PM.
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| Mr Pat | Mar 29 2017, 06:37 AM Post #131 |
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Like the Ten Commandments the EU has, a pillar known as a little thing called "freedom of Movement". The UK CANNOT discriminate on "economic grounds" and choose who they let in. Fact. Edited by Mr Pat, Mar 29 2017, 06:37 AM.
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| Deleted User | Mar 29 2017, 07:41 AM Post #132 |
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Happy Article 50 day everyone! hahaha woohoo!! FU EU!
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| C-too | Mar 29 2017, 08:57 AM Post #133 |
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I'm really glad my personal finances are good. I probably have a lot less to fear from Brexit than do so many decent individuals in this country. The unfortunates will have my sympathy the triumphalist types can stew in their own foolishness. Edited by C-too, Apr 2 2017, 06:56 AM.
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| C-too | Mar 29 2017, 09:07 AM Post #134 |
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My money is on changes being made to the FoM, after all Europe cannot accommodate the millions of North Africans, Africans from further afield and the troubled from the Middle East. If we do take 'FULL' control of our borders, (and I think that is a big if) It seems that Middle East migrants will replace EU migrants. |
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| The Buccaneer | Apr 1 2017, 01:08 PM Post #135 |
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And the period of time we want/need them for, before they return home. |
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| Curious Cdn | Apr 1 2017, 03:06 PM Post #136 |
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It'll sure be a shocker when their subsidies run out and there is no more money in the English till to continue them. Imagine, if you will, UK grain farmers having to compete in the real world against American and Canadian farmers. You've already lost that competition, back in the early 19th century and the only reason that your farmers plant a crop at all is because of EU protection and subsidy. You are going to end up with a lot of un-employed farmers and slack, fallow farm land if you think that free trade with Australia, New Zealand, Canada is your ticket to salvation, post-Brexit. |
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| Tigger | Apr 1 2017, 03:38 PM Post #137 |
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Many so called farmers are in fact the biggest landowners in the country and would not know a carrot from a cucumber, rest assured these people will not go empty handed with the current government in power. |
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| Curious Cdn | Apr 1 2017, 04:11 PM Post #138 |
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How deep are your pockets, again? |
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| Tigger | Apr 1 2017, 08:06 PM Post #139 |
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Very, you can often tell in this country when severe economic problems are on the horizon, those at the top of society get huge pay rises. Recently the royal family which owns the Crown Estates and gets the government to run them on it's behalf got the deal of the decade, eight MP's sitting on a committee increased the percentage income derived from these estates paid to the royals from 15% to 25%. Doubtless other higher ups will be just as well protected. I'll go and wave a flag, I'll feel better after that. |
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| Curious Cdn | Apr 1 2017, 08:27 PM Post #140 |
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What's a poll tax? |
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| Rich | Apr 1 2017, 08:52 PM Post #141 |
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Poll=head........geddit? |
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| Tigger | Apr 1 2017, 08:53 PM Post #142 |
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In this country? An invitation for Scots not to pay it and a riot in Central London. |
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| Curious Cdn | Apr 1 2017, 10:12 PM Post #143 |
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No. We don't have those. |
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| Mr Pat | Apr 3 2017, 05:05 AM Post #144 |
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I find your finger wagging and brow beating towards Brexit quite interesting Curious. You often profess and imply, how great and wonderful your country is, yet it has only just made the top ten in countries with the most GDP PPP. A nation that is susceptible to commodity prices, and imports and exports significantly more with the US than any other nation - I can see why you've got on your soap box about Trump. That EU trade agreement can't come quick enough, eh. If your nation is so great (which I won't doubt), at number 10 in the world's rankings why does the UK have to retain itself as the world's fifth largest economy when that wealth isn't reflected in society and frankly means diddly squat to the average Joe. Couldn't we become the world's 11th richest economy and just be as grrrreat and fantastic as you? Edited by Mr Pat, Apr 3 2017, 05:08 AM.
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| Steve K | Apr 3 2017, 06:27 AM Post #145 |
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Would that be the Canada that has an increasing $GDP whereas ours is shrinking since the referendum. And would that be the Canada that just overtook us in GDP/capita? |
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| Mr Pat | Apr 3 2017, 06:48 AM Post #146 |
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Yes, but my point still stands. So, I'll wait for Curious' reply, thanks. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2017, 06:49 AM Post #147 |
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Canada is really interesting at the moment, they have it all there but have some problems as well, the biggest one is called Justin
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| Dan1989 | Apr 3 2017, 07:00 AM Post #148 |
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He's a dopey fucker, but a entertaining one. Sadly Canada voted based on looks, because if you hear him speak, definitely missing a few neurons. Also he keeps getting in trouble for his increasing anti-free speech laws(guidance), also losing against the made up genders. |
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| Mr Pat | Apr 3 2017, 07:48 AM Post #149 |
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All very Orwellian isn't it. I hope the Canadians keep all this up, personally.
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2017, 07:50 AM Post #150 |
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This Iranian chappy in Canada makes a point that I believe is something we should all be focusing all of our attention on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrfqfr1MKbo |
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| Dan1989 | Apr 3 2017, 08:48 AM Post #151 |
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Yeah, seen that interview, but people are still blind to a majority Muslim population, everywhere where's there is one, comes their antiquated views. People forget the majority aren't important, they weren't for the holocaust or the years during the Soviet Unions, they just accept it, but people think it would different that our ways will fix them, naive bunch. And people trying to copy it, should be shown the light, best disinfectant. Edited by Dan1989, Apr 3 2017, 08:49 AM.
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| RoofGardener | Apr 3 2017, 11:42 AM Post #152 |
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Umm... they already ARE doing ? We are not a major grain exporter (around 14th in the world), but we DO currently export to non-EU countries. And the reduction in the value of the pound has boosted this quite a bit. Something like 75% of our grain is used for domestic production. Now, if we are already successfully competing on international markets against Canada etc, then it suggests that they would NOT be able to flood our domestic markets with grain. |
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| Steve K | Apr 3 2017, 11:51 AM Post #153 |
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That's because we currently farm cereals at a loss with the farmer kept going by EU subsidies Boris et al have promised to pay to the NHS instead. Once they're forced to compete on a level playing field their market will be gone. https://fullfact.org/economy/farming-subsidies-uk/ “Last year the average farm made £2,100 from agriculture and £28,300 from subsidies. The typical cereal farmer actually lost £9,500 by farming cereals.” |
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| RoofGardener | Apr 3 2017, 01:01 PM Post #154 |
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So then, one of the things imposed on us by the EU was to encourage unproductive agriculture ? When China does this, isn't it criticised as "dumping" ? Firstly, British farmers will have to adapt and grow things that the market actually WANTS, not what the EU Comminterm specifies and subsidises. Secondly, as the EU, Canada, and the USA all give farmers subsidies, then we are entitled to impose customs tariff's on THEIR imported grain etc. So the idea of us being "swamped" with "cheap" imported grain is less likely than you might think. Edited by RoofGardener, Apr 3 2017, 01:01 PM.
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| Steve K | Apr 3 2017, 01:26 PM Post #155 |
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You have to consider 'security of supply' which is what those subsidies have always been for. A future of buying our food on the spot market may be a bit fraught |
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| C-too | Apr 5 2017, 08:29 AM Post #156 |
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UK farming before joining the EU resulted in a series of over production of one produce and a shortage of another which would change every few years as farmers switched production in an attempt to chase the money. |
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| Tigger | Apr 5 2017, 07:48 PM Post #157 |
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Keep an eye on BMW's Mini plant and other UK assets owned by this company, they've told the workforce it needs to be more productive and cost cutting is needed, under British law final salary pensions are fairly easy to dump thanks to our "flexible economy" and naturally the workforce plans to strikle, ten one day stoppages. How long before this becomes a handy excuse to move all production to Holland and probably Slovakia? Edited by Tigger, Apr 5 2017, 07:48 PM.
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| Tigger | Apr 8 2017, 01:26 PM Post #158 |
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Seeing as Brexiteers are now running the show and enacting the will of the people I've got some news for those fine Brexit voting towns of Dagenham and Bridgend. Ford Europe boss Jim Farley is asking the government to retain access to the single market as his firm like nearly all other large manufacturers operates a JIT system, now he did not say they'd be off next week but everything is now possible. Another UK governmental bribe before the EU says fuck you that's a direct state subsidy and if you want to flog cars to us you'd better make them in the EU itself?
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| Steve K | Apr 8 2017, 02:00 PM Post #159 |
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Yep he said Ford would stay in the UK (for sales) but clearly said any manufacturing was dependent on the free market http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39537726 |
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| RoofGardener | Apr 8 2017, 07:13 PM Post #160 |
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Truly ? I don't remember any of that (but then I was very young at that time). Do you have any links et al for that so I can bone up on it ? |
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