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The Brexit self harm thread! ; merged with Learn to wipe your own arse?
Topic Started: Feb 22 2017, 10:43 AM (2,534 Views)
Tigger
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These incidents are going to become increasingly common, and very funny!

, A poll conducted last April by trade magazine Farmers Weekly concluded that 58% of farmers wanted out of the EU, and from today's Times, we now have farmers fretting about who is going to harvest their spring crops! With the £ so low and the message getting through that foreigners are no longer welcome in the way they once were the number of crop pickers from EE has plumeted, not to worry though farmers are calling for tens of thousands of NON EU citizens to be bussed in! No wonder David Davis wants mass immigration to continue!

!jk!

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We've all admired Trump for putting America first right?

And in the latest development new French President Macron is proposing to extend the ban the EU has on certain foreign companies owning European strategic assets, this extension will bar British firms from bidding for contracts in the EU and of course many British firms do very well out of this, but not for much longer it would seem!

Still at least we'll have "strong and stable leadership" to deal with things like this! !jk!

Source, Telegraph, Bloomberg, and if you'd like to see some fake news read about this in the Express!

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Got a job with a firm that supplies stuff to EU nations? Best you start re training or looking for something else! :thumbsup:

Today's Times is reporting that around half of EU businesses that use UK suppliers are dumping them in favour of other EU based companies, they are not hanging around it would seem.

Which one shall we tick off the list today folks? :rubchin:

1.They need us more than we need them.

2. WTO, that'll teach em.

3. They'll see sense and come round to our way of thinking.

4. Let's talk about the war and how ungrateful they are.

5. We've oversetimated our own worth.

The winner will receive a p45 and a Union Jack...........  ::)
Edited by Tigger, May 15 2017, 10:06 AM.
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Tigger
May 15 2017, 10:06 AM
Got a job with a firm that supplies stuff to EU nations? Best you start re training or looking for something else! :thumbsup:

Today's Times is reporting that around half of EU businesses that use UK suppliers are dumping them in favour of other EU based companies, they are not hanging around it would seem.

Which one shall we tick off the list today folks? :rubchin:

1.They need us more than we need them.

2. WTO, that'll teach em.

3. They'll see sense and come round to our way of thinking.

4. Let's talk about the war and how ungrateful they are.

5. We've oversetimated our own worth.

The winner will receive a p45 and a Union Jack...........  ::)
For those with subscriptions this is the article: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-is-throwing-a-spanner-in-europe-s-supply-chain-networks-2x7lvqggn

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Almost half of European businesses with British suppliers are finding replacements elsewhere in the EU, according to research underlining the threat that Brexit poses to exports.

The Chartered Institute of Procurement and Supply, after surveying more than 2,000 supply chain managers, said that its findings demonstrated that the “separation from Europe is already well under way”.

Yes that Pyrrhic word looms large again.
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Hilarious innit? Thousands of Brexiteers will soon reap their well deserved rewards. :)

And the other thing not mentioned in the article is that as EU businesses shun UK suppliers in favour of domestic firms Britain's alleged strong negotiating hand gets weaker by the day, it looks to me as if Europe is over the shock of Brexit and is planning it's economic future minus the UK.

But on the bright side Liam Fox will sign a free trade deal with Upper Volta and a Swindon based jam and caravan company is about to launch in China. (Subject to a successful CRB check)
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Here's an idea

The Tories and uber Brexiters are so confident that (despite all evidence) we will get a good deal with the EU. Likelihood is we will get a fair deal which won't be a disaster but will be a painful down turn for the UK but way better than a WTO cliff edge

So what happens if the EU say in 2018 here is a deal but it is has an important precondition. It has to be clearly accepted by the UK in a referendum where the alternative is staying in the EU on 'the Deal' type terms

Saint (not) Theresa would be in a right pickle with her only alternative being to say I'll take WTO then.

Anyone got Donald Tusk's email address?
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May 15 2017, 11:53 AM


So what happens if the EU say in 2018 here is a deal but it is has an important precondition. It has to be clearly accepted by the UK in a referendum where the alternative is staying in the EU on 'the Deal' type terms

The right wing press and the Brexiteer Taliban will tear May to shreds at any hint of compromise. Although given the likely economic problems will be on the surface by then and with the backdrop of the EU returning to strong growth some may start to feel cheated by the government.

Some anecdotal stuff from my eldest son who is currently back home for a few days, he claims hardly anyone in Germany is concerned about what Britain wants, it's barely on the radar, the main thing is settling the exit fee and leaving properly and as fast as possible, he reckons the trade talks once they begin will kick off with the EU asking for Britain's help in repatriating EU businesses and investment located here in the UK! ;D

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May 15 2017, 12:16 PM
.... he reckons the trade talks once they begin will kick off with the EU asking for Britain's help in repatriating EU businesses and investment located here in the UK! ;D

Well, the EU doesn't have any "businesses", unless he is referring to institutions ?

As for "investment", well.. that would be an interesting one. As a net contributor to the EU, the Commission can have their "investments" back, if we can have all of our contributions back ? (on the grounds that we effectively paid for these 'investments'.. and much more... every year)
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May 15 2017, 10:21 AM
.....Almost half of European businesses with British suppliers are finding replacements elsewhere in the EU, according to research underlining the threat that Brexit poses to exports.

"...The Chartered Institute of Procurement and Supply, after surveying more than 2,000 supply chain managers, said that its findings demonstrated that the “separation from Europe is already well under way..”
Yes that Pyrrhic word looms large again.


And they also report that over 30% of UK businesses are seeking to replace European suppliers with UK-based ones. So it goes both ways, and is not as Pyrrhic as some Brexiphobes had wished for :)
Edited by RoofGardener, May 15 2017, 12:46 PM.
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May 15 2017, 12:33 PM
Well, the EU doesn't have any "businesses", unless he is referring to institutions ?

As for "investment", well.. that would be an interesting one. As a net contributor to the EU, the Commission can have their "investments" back, if we can have all of our contributions back ? (on the grounds that we effectively paid for these 'investments'.. and much more... every year)
EU based businesses or those owned by member states, but you knew that.

And perhaps look up the term investment and then members fees, after all getting pissed down the golf club is not investment money is it?

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May 15 2017, 12:44 PM


And they also report that over 30% of UK businesses are seeking to replace European suppliers with UK-based ones. So it goes both ways, and is not as Pyrrhic as some Brexiphobes had wished for :)


If my experiences in sourcing specialist components here in the UK are anything to go by then good luck to those firms who intend to buy here, just make sure you don't get offered Chinese knock offs! ;D
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May 15 2017, 10:21 AM
.....Almost half of European businesses with British suppliers are finding replacements elsewhere in the EU, according to research underlining the threat that Brexit poses to exports.

"...The Chartered Institute of Procurement and Supply, after surveying more than 2,000 supply chain managers, said that its findings demonstrated that the “separation from Europe is already well under way..”
Yes that Pyrrhic word looms large again.
And they also report that over 30% of UK businesses are seeking to replace European suppliers with UK-based ones. So it goes both ways, and is not as Pyrrhic as some Brexiphobes had wished for :)
We will have to rebuild our industrial base, it would have made more sense to do that before Brexit, or at least to understand just how vulnerable we are in terms of productivity.

No idea where food costs will go after Brexit ;-)
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I heard on Bloomberg earlier that a Canadian pension fund is moving one of it's branches to London, luckily there will be some office space for them as US banker scum JP Morgan has just bought a tower block on Dublin's waterfront that will house a 1000 staff.

Begorra!

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May 15 2017, 10:21 AM
.....Almost half of European businesses with British suppliers are finding replacements elsewhere in the EU, according to research underlining the threat that Brexit poses to exports.

"...The Chartered Institute of Procurement and Supply, after surveying more than 2,000 supply chain managers, said that its findings demonstrated that the “separation from Europe is already well under way..”
Yes that Pyrrhic word looms large again.
And they also report that over 30% of UK businesses are seeking to replace European suppliers with UK-based ones. So it goes both ways, and is not as Pyrrhic as some Brexiphobes had wished for :)
We will have to rebuild our industrial base, it would have made more sense to do that before Brexit, or at least to understand just how vulnerable we are in terms of productivity.

No idea where food costs will go after Brexit ;-)
I do not understand why you say such things, the retailers can only sell at a cost that the market will bear, if they price too high then they will sell SFA and as inflation is apparently rising faster than wages then the retailers will have to cut their profit margins and probably trigger another competetive price war...the purchaser will come out on top. ;-)
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May 16 2017, 08:18 PM
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May 15 2017, 12:44 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPyrrhic
We will have to rebuild our industrial base, it would have made more sense to do that before Brexit, or at least to understand just how vulnerable we are in terms of productivity.

No idea where food costs will go after Brexit ;-)
I do not understand why you say such things, the retailers can only sell at a cost that the market will bear, if they price too high then they will sell SFA and as inflation is apparently rising faster than wages then the retailers will have to cut their profit margins and probably trigger another competetive price war...the purchaser will come out on top. ;-)
Or they'll just abandon the UK
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May 16 2017, 11:04 PM
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May 16 2017, 08:18 PM
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May 16 2017, 08:11 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPyrrhic
I do not understand why you say such things, the retailers can only sell at a cost that the market will bear, if they price too high then they will sell SFA and as inflation is apparently rising faster than wages then the retailers will have to cut their profit margins and probably trigger another competetive price war...the purchaser will come out on top. ;-)
Or they'll just abandon the UK
I doubt that very much, once they abandon a retailing base and another moves in would be suicide to them and outrage the shareholders whereas the likes of ALDI and LIDL are not beholding to shareholders and would love just such a chance.....competition is not a bad thing really is it.....just like the man in the street, retailers will have to cut their cloth accordingly.....it is called business and making a profit......the big question is how much? how much will the market bear?

We shall see.....for my part, beans on toast will fill my stomach and the big supermarkets can stand by and watch me whilst their stocks on the shelves go out of date.
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With brown sauce ? :P
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It must be of comfort for Rich to know that he is not isolated, alone, in being lost to objectivity.

No offence intended - just the recognition that some here seem unable to accept their convictions are not completely supportable.

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May 17 2017, 01:38 PM


No offence intended - just the recognition that some here seem unable to accept their convictions are not completely supportable.

It's council house capitalism doncha know! ;D

Grew up in an area like that, got out, best thing I ever did.
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May 17 2017, 01:20 PM
With brown sauce ? :P
I only use daddies sauce on my smoked streaky bacon sarnies in uncut bread and a good spread of Anchor butter. :thumbsup:
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It must be of comfort for Rich to know that he is not isolated, alone, in being lost to objectivity.

No offence intended - just the recognition that some here seem unable to accept their convictions are not completely supportable.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, I will reserve my immediate comments for another time.


The word pithy comes to mind.
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Express readers are currently talking about the war and even starting a new one! Why?

Because the paper is reporting that the Germans will likely relax rigid labour laws for high earners, specifically in banking and finance where it will be easier and quicker to fire people, not mentioned, probably because it could actually kill some Express readers with high blood pressure, rent caps on office space and homes in the Frankfurt area as these have been rising London style since Brexit, best not price out the workforce like we do eh? :)

Brexit is now leading to pot shots at the golden goose, funny innit? ;D
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With brown sauce ? :P
I only use daddies sauce on my smoked streaky bacon sarnies in uncut bread and a good spread of Anchor butter. :thumbsup:
Great.

Juuuust GREAT !
Here I am, just about to go to my Sisters for gardening, and I didn't leave enough time to have any breakfast.

And then I read your post. My stomach is rumbling !
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May 15 2017, 12:44 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPyrrhic
We will have to rebuild our industrial base, it would have made more sense to do that before Brexit, or at least to understand just how vulnerable we are in terms of productivity.

No idea where food costs will go after Brexit ;-)
I do not understand why you say such things, the retailers can only sell at a cost that the market will bear, if they price too high then they will sell SFA and as inflation is apparently rising faster than wages then the retailers will have to cut their profit margins and probably trigger another competetive price war...the purchaser will come out on top. ;-)
My last comment referred to the idea that we will likely increase our industrial base, but there doesn't appear to be much room to increase growing crops to feed us.
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May 16 2017, 11:12 PM
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May 16 2017, 08:18 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPyrrhic
Or they'll just abandon the UK
I doubt that very much, once they abandon a retailing base and another moves in would be suicide to them and outrage the shareholders whereas the likes of ALDI and LIDL are not beholding to shareholders and would love just such a chance.....competition is not a bad thing really is it.....just like the man in the street, retailers will have to cut their cloth accordingly.....it is called business and making a profit......the big question is how much? how much will the market bear?

We shall see.....for my part, beans on toast will fill my stomach and the big supermarkets can stand by and watch me whilst their stocks on the shelves go out of date.
Let's no forget that there is the probability of increased tariffs and increased costs of shipping/transport.
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May 16 2017, 08:18 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPyrrhic
I do not understand why you say such things, the retailers can only sell at a cost that the market will bear, if they price too high then they will sell SFA and as inflation is apparently rising faster than wages then the retailers will have to cut their profit margins and probably trigger another competetive price war...the purchaser will come out on top. ;-)
Or they'll just abandon the UK

Yes I can see all those British farmers relocating to France !jk! !jk!

And of course EU farmers will just turn away from the tiddly British market wont they !jk! !jk!

The fact is some food will go up some will come down ,don't panic dearies .
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Nuffield Trust says Brexit could cost the NHS £500M a year

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40095822
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Nuffield Trust says Brexit could cost the NHS £500M a year

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40095822
Terrible news!

Shortages of Horlicks, wheelchair bearings and flowery wallpaper predicted.
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.....Almost half of European businesses with British suppliers are finding replacements elsewhere in the EU, according to research underlining the threat that Brexit poses to exports.

"...The Chartered Institute of Procurement and Supply, after surveying more than 2,000 supply chain managers, said that its findings demonstrated that the “separation from Europe is already well under way..”
Yes that Pyrrhic word looms large again.
And they also report that over 30% of UK businesses are seeking to replace European suppliers with UK-based ones. So it goes both ways, and is not as Pyrrhic as some Brexiphobes had wished for :)
We will have to rebuild our industrial base, it would have made more sense to do that before Brexit, or at least to understand just how vulnerable we are in terms of productivity.

No idea where food costs will go after Brexit ;-)
Necessity is the mother of invention and the UK has never been found wanting when it comes to needs must when the devil drives.

We will find a way one way or another.
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May 15 2017, 12:44 PM

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We will have to rebuild our industrial base, it would have made more sense to do that before Brexit, or at least to understand just how vulnerable we are in terms of productivity.

No idea where food costs will go after Brexit ;-)
Necessity is the mother of invention and the UK has never been found wanting when it comes to needs must when the devil drives.

We will find a way one way or another.
Ah the old "I've been lucky once so I'll be lucky again" fallacy

Bookies and Casinos make so much money from mugs that believe that philosophy
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Necessity is the mother of invention and the UK has never been found wanting when it comes to needs must when the devil drives.

We will find a way one way or another.
:facepalm:

And the other day this poster said the US would intevene if Europe dared to harm us economically.

I'm so looking forward to seeing so many idiotic preconceptions smashed to fuck, it's the only language some understand...........
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May 31 2017, 10:28 PM
Necessity is the mother of invention and the UK has never been found wanting when it comes to needs must when the devil drives.

We will find a way one way or another.
:facepalm:

And the other day this poster said the US would intevene if Europe dared to harm us economically.

I'm so looking forward to seeing so many idiotic preconceptions smashed to fuck, it's the only language some understand...........

Your optimism is endearing, but I fear an atomic bomb going off would not shake the foundations of such utterly contrived convictions with some here.

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Necessity is the mother of invention and the UK has never been found wanting when it comes to needs must when the devil drives.

We will find a way one way or another.
Ah the old "I've been lucky once so I'll be lucky again" fallacy

Bookies and Casinos make so much money from mugs that believe that philosophy
Blimey, not only am I an indecent person, now I am a mug too, I love it :thumbsup:

Anymore slingshots before you have satisfied yourselves?
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May 15 2017, 12:44 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPyrrhic
We will have to rebuild our industrial base, it would have made more sense to do that before Brexit, or at least to understand just how vulnerable we are in terms of productivity.

No idea where food costs will go after Brexit ;-)
Necessity is the mother of invention and the UK has never been found wanting when it comes to needs must when the devil drives.

We will find a way one way or another.
We have failed to find a way since 1951 (since the late 1800s in reality). Now on top of our long term failure we have added the uncertainties and problems of Brexit at a time when countries are in competition with each other probably as never before.

I'm sure we will do OK in the long run, and it would be good to see a new area of success that equalled our industrial revolution. But my reality is that the EU would have been stronger with us as a member, and in leaving it our descendants will see that we have made the wrong decision.
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May 31 2017, 10:28 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPyrrhic
Necessity is the mother of invention and the UK has never been found wanting when it comes to needs must when the devil drives.

We will find a way one way or another.
We have failed to find a way since 1951 (since the late 1800s in reality). Now on top of our long term failure we have added the uncertainties and problems of Brexit at a time when countries are in competition with each other probably as never before.

I'm sure we will do OK in the long run, and it would be good to see a new area of success that equalled our industrial revolution. But my reality is that the EU would have been stronger with us as a member, and in leaving it our descendants will see that we have made the wrong decision.

A coalition government will have another referendum on the terms of a Brexit deal.
It may yet happen that there is no deal and then the question arises of do we go with hard Brexit or decide to beg to remain.

The Establishment want the latter. The Establishment usually gets what it wants.

If I were you and with your desire that the referendum had never happened (blame Cameron) I'd be hoping for a hung parliament.


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May 31 2017, 10:28 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPyrrhic
We have failed to find a way since 1951 (since the late 1800s in reality). Now on top of our long term failure we have added the uncertainties and problems of Brexit at a time when countries are in competition with each other probably as never before.

I'm sure we will do OK in the long run, and it would be good to see a new area of success that equalled our industrial revolution. But my reality is that the EU would have been stronger with us as a member, and in leaving it our descendants will see that we have made the wrong decision.

A coalition government will have another referendum on the terms of a Brexit deal.
It may yet happen that there is no deal and then the question arises of do we go with hard Brexit or decide to beg to remain.

The Establishment want the latter. The Establishment usually gets what it wants.

If I were you and with your desire that the referendum had never happened (blame Cameron) I'd be hoping for a hung parliament.


Well, hope is the only thing that no government in the world can take away from their citizens.

But to give false hope is as bad as giving no hope.

Best to have two feet firmly planted on the terra firma and to be pragmatic and realistic.

If you can see anyone other than Theresa May being victorious on June the 9th then give me a good reason why I should doubt my own pragmatism.
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Jun 1 2017, 06:51 PM

give me a good reason why I should doubt my own pragmatism.

That's an impossible request!
Nothing will convince you that you are wrong!
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Jun 1 2017, 06:51 PM
give me a good reason why I should doubt my own pragmatism.
I've just reported you under the Trades Descrition Act, expect a summons within a week.

;-)
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Ah the old "I've been lucky once so I'll be lucky again" fallacy

Bookies and Casinos make so much money from mugs that believe that philosophy
Blimey, not only am I an indecent person, now I am a mug too, I love it :thumbsup:

Anymore slingshots before you have satisfied yourselves?
Do read what you respond to instead of what you imagine it to be

I pointed out the logical fallacy of 'being lucky once guaranteeing further such luck' by using the example of the mugs that are serial gamblers. If you want to say you are one of such be my guest but I didn't so accuse you

My point stands though, you cannot bet on necessity always leading to the needed invention. History is full of examples where such did not occur and people were doomed or disadvantaged.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep"I've been lucky once so I'll be lucky again" fallacy

Bookies and Casinos make so much money from mugs that believe that philosophy
Blimey, not only am I an indecent person, now I am a mug too, I love it :thumbsup:

Anymore slingshots before you have satisfied yourselves?
Do read what you respond to instead of what you imagine it to be

I pointed out the logical fallacy of 'being lucky once guaranteeing further such luck' by using the example of the mugs that are serial gamblers. If you want to say you are one of such be my guest but I didn't so accuse you

My point stands though, you cannot bet on necessity always leading to the needed invention. History is full of examples where such did not occur and people were doomed or disadvantaged.
Ditto!
My description regarding ANY decent person would support action to narrow the wealth gap was not directed at anyone in particular.
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And now we are going to run out of nurses because just about none from the EU want to come here anymore

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40248366

"EU nurse applicants drop by 96% since Brexit vote . . .

Last July, 1,304 nurses from the EU joined the Nursing and Midwifery Council register, compared to 46 in April this year, a fall of 96%.

The Health Foundation said the findings could not be more stark and said they should act as a "wake-up call"."


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