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The Brexit self harm thread! ; merged with Learn to wipe your own arse?
Topic Started: Feb 22 2017, 10:43 AM (2,533 Views)
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These incidents are going to become increasingly common, and very funny!

, A poll conducted last April by trade magazine Farmers Weekly concluded that 58% of farmers wanted out of the EU, and from today's Times, we now have farmers fretting about who is going to harvest their spring crops! With the £ so low and the message getting through that foreigners are no longer welcome in the way they once were the number of crop pickers from EE has plumeted, not to worry though farmers are calling for tens of thousands of NON EU citizens to be bussed in! No wonder David Davis wants mass immigration to continue!

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Terrible.

Elderly Brexiteers will now have to learn to wipe their own arses!
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And now we have inflation up to 2.9% thanks to that Brexit vote led collapse of the £

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40259392





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Jun 13 2017, 09:54 AM
And now we have inflation up to 2.9% thanks to that Brexit vote led collapse of the £

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40259392





And it's being reported that the government has found a magic money tree!  :o

Several of the tabloids are reporting austerity is to end.

Scumbags.........
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Austerity was the correct course to take.
Austerity must End!
How do you spin these two contrasting claims?

We'll find out soon, and I doubt there will be much finger pointing involved - although I myself will be making sure some here are exposed for the idiocy they have expressed over seven years.

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Jun 13 2017, 10:53 AM
Austerity was the correct course to take.
Austerity must End!
How do you spin these two contrasting claims?

We'll find out soon, and I doubt there will be much finger pointing involved - although I myself will be making sure some here are exposed for the idiocy they have expressed over seven years.

We had proper austrity after WW2, that is to say it applied to just about everyone, we kept rationing and the landed gentry, for example, also had to make some concessions.

The post 2008 austerity imposed was not a case of we are all in it together, in fact the opposite was true.
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Jun 13 2017, 10:53 AM
Austerity was the correct course to take.
Austerity must End!
How do you spin these two contrasting claims?

We'll find out soon, and I doubt there will be much finger pointing involved - although I myself will be making sure some here are exposed for the idiocy they have expressed over seven years.

Well the Tories are now talking about scaling back some areas of austerity.

Looks like we do have a magic money tree after all.
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Even the Daily Misery is starting to realise it was a pyrrhic victory as they now admit we stand to lose £80B a year

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4598794/Brussels-mounts-80bn-raid-City-London.html



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Jun 13 2017, 10:18 AM
Steve K
Jun 13 2017, 09:54 AM
And now we have inflation up to 2.9% thanks to that Brexit vote led collapse of the £

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40259392
And it's being reported that the government has found a magic money tree!  :o
That would be in line with what May was saying before the election.
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Jun 13 2017, 02:14 PM
Even the Daily Misery is starting to realise it was a pyrrhic victory as they now admit we stand to lose £80B a year

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4598794/Brussels-mounts-80bn-raid-City-London.html



Odds on a second referendum?

Would have been unthinkable a fortnight ago, now.....
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Happy Hornet
Jun 13 2017, 03:08 PM
Steve K
Jun 13 2017, 02:14 PM
Even the Daily Misery is starting to realise it was a pyrrhic victory as they now admit we stand to lose £80B a year

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4598794/Brussels-mounts-80bn-raid-City-London.html



Odds on a second referendum?

Would have been unthinkable a fortnight ago, now.....
Quite

Of course there is the issue that it's far from legally certain we can change our minds
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Jun 13 2017, 03:31 PM
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Jun 13 2017, 03:08 PM
Steve K
Jun 13 2017, 02:14 PM
Even the Daily Misery is starting to realise it was a pyrrhic victory as they now admit we stand to lose £80B a year

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4598794/Brussels-mounts-80bn-raid-City-London.html



Odds on a second referendum?

Would have been unthinkable a fortnight ago, now.....
Quite

Of course there is the issue that it's far from legally certain we can change our minds
Oh I don't doubt it would be a huge headache but may end up being the lesser of two evils.

If, as looks likely at this stage, a soft Brexit which basically pleases nobody ends up being the only option the general consensus may end up being that it's just not worth the economic hit.
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Jun 13 2017, 03:39 PM
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Jun 13 2017, 03:31 PM
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Jun 13 2017, 03:08 PM
Quite

Of course there is the issue that it's far from legally certain we can change our minds
Oh I don't doubt it would be a huge headache but may end up being the lesser of two evils.

If, as looks likely at this stage, a soft Brexit which basically pleases nobody ends up being the only option the general consensus may end up being that it's just not worth the economic hit.
It's complicated and here's a good read on the matter from Laura Kuenssberg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40261944

And as she points out both major parties campaigned on firm to hard Brexits. But if the early exchanges with the EU go as badly as some suggest and the industrial and economic bad news persist then politicians are going to get very nervous that the fickle public (who right now would likely still vote Out) might just do a U turn and go looking for blood

And now there's a convenient sacrificial May to blame it all on

I'd say at best the chances of us rejecting the folly are 1 in 4 but last week they were 1 in 20
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The Motor Manufacturers have repeated their earlier warnings and this time it looks like they really are worried that they were lied to

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40332912

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The government must secure a transitional Brexit deal to protect the future of the UK car industry, a trade group has said.

The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) said Britain was highly unlikely to reach a final agreement with the EU by the March 2019 deadline.

That meant carmakers could face a "cliff edge", whereby tariff-free trade was sharply pulled away.
It warned the industry would suffer without a back-up plan in place.

It's all unravelling
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The Motor Manufacturers have repeated their earlier warnings and this time it looks like they really are worried that they were lied to

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40332912

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The government must secure a transitional Brexit deal to protect the future of the UK car industry, a trade group has said.

The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) said Britain was highly unlikely to reach a final agreement with the EU by the March 2019 deadline.

That meant carmakers could face a "cliff edge", whereby tariff-free trade was sharply pulled away.
It warned the industry would suffer without a back-up plan in place.

It's all unravelling


It's not. What we have is unrelenting rhetoric that points to a compromise .
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Jun 20 2017, 07:59 PM
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Jun 20 2017, 12:18 PM
The Motor Manufacturers have repeated their earlier warnings and this time it looks like they really are worried that they were lied to

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40332912

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The government must secure a transitional Brexit deal to protect the future of the UK car industry, a trade group has said.

The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) said Britain was highly unlikely to reach a final agreement with the EU by the March 2019 deadline.

That meant carmakers could face a "cliff edge", whereby tariff-free trade was sharply pulled away.
It warned the industry would suffer without a back-up plan in place.

It's all unravelling


It's not. What we have is unrelenting rhetoric that points to a compromise .
But the problem is the government has promised them a compromise that is highly favourable to the motor industry.

And both sides have just realised it's not in the government's gift to deliver it. Amazing really as everyone but uber Outers knew that for over a year
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Jun 20 2017, 07:59 PM
Steve K
Jun 20 2017, 12:18 PM
The Motor Manufacturers have repeated their earlier warnings and this time it looks like they really are worried that they were lied to

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40332912

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The government must secure a transitional Brexit deal to protect the future of the UK car industry, a trade group has said.

The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) said Britain was highly unlikely to reach a final agreement with the EU by the March 2019 deadline.

That meant carmakers could face a "cliff edge", whereby tariff-free trade was sharply pulled away.
It warned the industry would suffer without a back-up plan in place.

It's all unravelling


It's not. What we have is unrelenting rhetoric that points to a compromise .
Have you not been listening? :rubchin:

The EU has not budged from it's stated position of almost a year ago, the order in which things are to be discussed, no change, free access to the single market only available with the free movement of people, again no change.Barnier said there will be pain, did you hear that? Pain

I'll spell it out for you, thousands of UK jobs and entire industries that rely of that free access to that single market are there for the taking.

You were told weren't you? :)
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The Motor Manufacturers have repeated their earlier warnings and this time it looks like they really are worried that they were lied to

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40332912


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It's not. What we have is unrelenting rhetoric that points to a compromise .
Have you not been listening? :rubchin:

The EU has not budged from it's stated position of almost a year ago, the order in which things are to be discussed, no change, free access to the single market only available with the free movement of people, again no change.Barnier said there will be pain, did you hear that? Pain

I'll spell it out for you, thousands of UK jobs and entire industries that rely of that free access to that single market are there for the taking.

You were told weren't you? :)



Have you been reading? The UK government has pretty much agreed that jobs and the economy is to take priority, the BOE says the same, business leaders are pleading for a soft Brexit, As I said unrelentingly rhetoric leading to compromise. We are heading for a soft Brexit with knobs on. Have a think about it....or do I need to spell it out for YOU ffs

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Have you been reading? The UK government has pretty much agreed that jobs and the economy is to take priority, the BOE says the same, business leaders are pleading for a soft Brexit, As I said unrelentingly rhetoric leading to compromise. We are heading for a soft Brexit with knobs on. Have a think about it....or do I need to spell it out for YOU ffs

Have you failed to remember there are two sides in this situation? The EU could just say fuck off we've had enough of thirty years of your bullshit and divide and rule tactics.

Have you considered any of that?

Maybot is still talking tough for the benefit back bench degenerates and dim former and present UKIP voters, why not call her bluff and give them exactly want they want, I'd even help them if I could! :)
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Have you been reading? The UK government has pretty much agreed that jobs and the economy is to take priority, the BOE says the same, business leaders are pleading for a soft Brexit, As I said unrelentingly rhetoric leading to compromise. We are heading for a soft Brexit with knobs on. Have a think about it....or do I need to spell it out for YOU ffs

Have you failed to remember there are two sides in this situation? The EU could just say fuck off we've had enough of thirty years of your bullshit and divide and rule tactics.

Have you considered any of that?

Maybot is still talking tough for the benefit back bench degenerates and dim former and present UKIP voters, why not call her bluff and give them exactly want they want, I'd even help them if I could! :)

The EU could do many things. However they are not idiots and neither are our politicians.
These people are professional negotiators and have some comprehension of reality.
I doubt that the EU would tell the UK to fuck off when the UK seems to be amenable to a soft Brexit.
Have you considered any of that?
A bit of advice.....don't take any notice of what Mrs May says.. ;-)
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Have you been reading? The UK government has pretty much agreed that jobs and the economy is to take priority, the BOE says the same, business leaders are pleading for a soft Brexit, As I said unrelentingly rhetoric leading to compromise. We are heading for a soft Brexit with knobs on. Have a think about it....or do I need to spell it out for YOU ffs

Have you failed to remember there are two sides in this situation? The EU could just say fuck off we've had enough of thirty years of your bullshit and divide and rule tactics.

Have you considered any of that?

Maybot is still talking tough for the benefit back bench degenerates and dim former and present UKIP voters, why not call her bluff and give them exactly want they want, I'd even help them if I could! :)

The EU could do many things. However they are not idiots and neither are our politicians.
These people are professional negotiators and have some comprehension of reality.
I doubt that the EU would tell the UK to fuck off when the UK seems to be amenable to a soft Brexit.
Have you considered any of that?
A bit of advice.....don't take any notice of what Mrs May says.. ;-)
You work for a firm that does business in Europe? Would that be a fair comment?

I do hope you voted remain!

All together now, THEY NEED US MORE THAN WE NEED THEM! ;D

The will fuck us over you watch, they are already getting ready to take back the regulation of medicines, Euro clearing and in all probability a fair chunk of the car industry and aerospace. It makes perfect sense to stuff a potential rival and a nation that has been slagging you off for decades and blaming you for all manner of problems.

Enjoy!
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Did the referendum have the soft option on it?
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The EU could do many things. However they are not idiots and neither are our politicians.
These people are professional negotiators and have some comprehension of reality.
I doubt that the EU would tell the UK to fuck off when the UK seems to be amenable to a soft Brexit.
Have you considered any of that?
A bit of advice.....don't take any notice of what Mrs May says.. ;-)
You work for a firm that does business in Europe? Would that be a fair comment?

I do hope you voted remain!

All together now, THEY NEED US MORE THAN WE NEED THEM! ;D

The will fuck us over you watch, they are already getting ready to take back the regulation of medicines, Euro clearing and in all probability a fair chunk of the car industry and aerospace. It makes perfect sense to stuff a potential rival and a nation that has been slagging you off for decades and blaming you for all manner of problems.

Enjoy!


I'm not sorry to say that you wet dream is unlikely to occur.
Unlike you, the EU negotiators are professional not spiteful and will strive to strike a deal that draws the UK into the EU rather than cut it off. The EU will demand that we stay in all of the markets and treaties that we were in pre Brexit. They will expect us to pay some money . They will be happy that the UK is once again an asset to the European project and the other countries within the EU will see that staying in the EU is a better prospect than leaving it.
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Unlike you, the EU negotiators are professional not spiteful and will strive to strike a deal that draws the UK into the EU rather than cut it off. The EU will demand that we stay in all of the markets and treaties that we were in pre Brexit.
Crystal ball from ebay? :rubchin:

They'll take what they need and what they want, they won't really bother about the self inflicted problems of a mere third country, and why should they?
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Unlike you, the EU negotiators are professional not spiteful and will strive to strike a deal that draws the UK into the EU rather than cut it off. The EU will demand that we stay in all of the markets and treaties that we were in pre Brexit.
Crystal ball from ebay? :rubchin:

They'll take what they need and what they want, they won't really bother about the self inflicted problems of a mere third country, and why should they?


Same one as you bought, except my one works.
Yours seem to be bitter and twisted. The world is leaving you behind..so sad........... !wav!
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Unlike you, the EU negotiators are professional not spiteful and will strive to strike a deal that draws the UK into the EU rather than cut it off. The EU will demand that we stay in all of the markets and treaties that we were in pre Brexit.
Crystal ball from ebay? :rubchin:

They'll take what they need and what they want, they won't really bother about the self inflicted problems of a mere third country, and why should they?


Same one as you bought, except my one works.
Yours seem to be bitter and twisted. The world is leaving you behind..so sad........... !wav!
I wanted to stay because I have a reasonable idea of how business operates on the Continent, I also have family and a new grandchild over there, Brexit will make my life a little bit more complicated but I can live with that.

But now I've liberated myself from any concerns over what comes to pass and just want to see those who wanted this so badly pay for it. :)

That old business saying fully applies here. Never give a sucker a break. !wav!
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Same one as you bought, except my one works.
Yours seem to be bitter and twisted. The world is leaving you behind..so sad........... !wav!
I wanted to stay because I have a reasonable idea of how business operates on the Continent, I also have family and a new grandchild over there, Brexit will make my life a little bit more complicated but I can live with that.

But now I've liberated myself from any concerns over what comes to pass and just want to see those who wanted this so badly pay for it. :)

That old business saying fully applies here. Never give a sucker a break. !wav!


I suspect that international affairs works on a higher level than plumbing , gas boilers and dodgy solar panels. Just because you are bitter doesn't mean that the rest of us should be.
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I suspect that international affairs works on a higher level than plumbing , gas boilers and dodgy solar panels. Just because you are bitter doesn't mean that the rest of us should be.
I'm sure international relations do work on a higher level than plumbing, but some things are the same.  :o

You drop customers who constantly whine because they never consider you've done enough for them, those who insist on haggling whilst having no regard for your bottom line can fuck right off as well, and finally they argue over the gas bill despite benefitting from a warm home and hot water!

In short you are glad to see the back of them. !wav!
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I suspect that international affairs works on a higher level than plumbing , gas boilers and dodgy solar panels. Just because you are bitter doesn't mean that the rest of us should be.
I'm sure international relations do work on a higher level than plumbing, but some things are the same.  :o

You drop customers who constantly whine because they never consider you've done enough for them, those who insist on haggling whilst having no regard for your bottom line can fuck right off as well, and finally they argue over the gas bill despite benefitting from a warm home and hot water!

In short you are glad to see the back of them. !wav!


As I said I think international relations works on a higher level as plumbing, gas boilers and dodgy solar panels....sigh :thud:
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I suspect that international affairs works on a higher level than plumbing , gas boilers and dodgy solar panels. Just because you are bitter doesn't mean that the rest of us should be.
I'm sure international relations do work on a higher level than plumbing, but some things are the same.  :o

You drop customers who constantly whine because they never consider you've done enough for them, those who insist on haggling whilst having no regard for your bottom line can fuck right off as well, and finally they argue over the gas bill despite benefitting from a warm home and hot water!

In short you are glad to see the back of them. !wav!


As I said I think international relations works on a higher level as plumbing, gas boilers and dodgy solar panels....sigh :thud:
So, do you work for a company that trades with Europe, we never got an answer? :)
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As I said I think international relations works on a higher level as plumbing, gas boilers and dodgy solar panels....sigh :thud:
So, do you work for a company that trades with Europe, we never got an answer? :)


We? You never got an answer. All you need to know is that the EU negotiations has and will have nothing in common with trying to bump up the call out charge or replacing an expensive part when a cheap switch will do it?
Yiu seem to have an unfortunate habit of using appeal to authority when you are losing a debate.
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Jun 20 2017, 08:38 PM
Have you been reading? The UK government has pretty much agreed that jobs and the economy is to take priority, the BOE says the same, business leaders are pleading for a soft Brexit, As I said unrelentingly rhetoric leading to compromise. We are heading for a soft Brexit with knobs on. Have a think about it....or do I need to spell it out for YOU ffs

Well some parts of the government are clearly going that way. The absurdity of a Norway solution where we'd have all the obligations but no ability to influence the future.

Sadly that absurdity is possibly the best way forward but because Boris and Fox spent a year poisoning relations Tigger may be right that the EU won't offer it. And then there's the issue that if they do the likes of Farage and a few members here will choke on their cornflakes

Truth is the game is very much still afoot and no one should presume the UK public will accept a Norway solution even if it is possible.

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Have you been reading? The UK government has pretty much agreed that jobs and the economy is to take priority, the BOE says the same, business leaders are pleading for a soft Brexit, As I said unrelentingly rhetoric leading to compromise. We are heading for a soft Brexit with knobs on. Have a think about it....or do I need to spell it out for YOU ffs

Well some parts of the government are clearly going that way. The absurdity of a Norway solution where we'd have all the obligations but no ability to influence the future.

Sadly that absurdity is possibly the best way forward but because Boris and Fox spent a year poisoning relations Tigger may be right that the EU won't offer it. And then there's the issue that if they do the likes of Farage and a few members here will choke on their cornflakes

Truth is the game is very much still afoot and no one should presume the UK public will accept a Norway solution even if it is possible.



I'm sure Boris and Co had and have their equivalent in the EU but as said the EU negotiators are no fools. They will offer enough to avoid a hard Brexit ..which is a soft one. Up until now it has been a game of rhetoric and spin.
Also I don't believe that a hard Brexit will result in famine and pestilence .
The UK could recover in a decade or two to become a relatively prosperous country. I also think that the EU would prefer a UK as an ally than on that could potentially be a problem.
A UK tied into the EU is predictable and is an asset. A UK cut loose from the EU is not.
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Also I don't believe that a hard Brexit will result in famine and pestilence .
No one on the Remain side said it would

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The UK could recover in a decade or two to become a relatively prosperous country. I also think that the EU would prefer a UK as an ally than on that could potentially be a problem.
A UK tied into the EU is predictable and is an asset. A UK cut loose from the EU is not.

Yes we will be poorer that we could have been and that downturn won't be equally distributed. And when people then look at the core EU countries being better off you will see a search for the guilty and a move to rejoin
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Also I don't believe that a hard Brexit will result in famine and pestilence .
No one on the Remain side said it would

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The UK could recover in a decade or two to become a relatively prosperous country. I also think that the EU would prefer a UK as an ally than on that could potentially be a problem.
A UK tied into the EU is predictable and is an asset. A UK cut loose from the EU is not.

Yes we will be poorer that we could have been and that downturn won't be equally distributed. And when people then look at the core EU countries being better off you will see a search for the guilty and a move to rejoin


No one in the Brexit side said it would be a bed of Roses post Brexit either but some seem to think they did. Thing is that both Hard or soft Brexit will not be as bad or good as some of the opposing sides say it will be.
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Jun 21 2017, 04:32 AM
No one in the Brexit side said it would be a bed of Roses post Brexit either
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Loads of examples where Vote Leave promised exactly such, here's just one

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/661532/EU-referendum-Brexit-Boris-Johnson-speech-Cameron-Osborne-Project-Fear

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BORIS Johnson tonight buried the dreary and passionless doom-mongering of the pro-Brussels camp as he countered their endless negativity with a soaring vision for Britain's "glorious" free future.

The roaring Mayor of London dismissed David Cameron’s “depressing” campaign and laid out how the UK will thrive free from the shackles of constant EU interference.

In an upbeat speech which marked a stark contrast from the Remain camp’s constant moaning and scaremongering, the Tory big hitter thundered: “They say ‘it’s crap but we have no alternative’ .Well folks, we do have an alternative and it’s a glorious alternative.”


And do we need to remind you of the £350M a week the NHS was going to get and all those new hospitals they showed on a map that it would supposedly buy?

A tawdry pyrrhic victory bought by lies
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Tigger why do you fervently want Brexit to fail. Is it because if its not a failure you and a lot of others singing from the same songsheet will be proven wrong. As you have put yourself up as a political expert What would you do if free movement persists, and the UKs population tops eightyfive million. Build more houses perhaps.
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avagrumble
Jun 21 2017, 07:27 PM
Tigger why do you fervently want Brexit to fail. Is it because if its not a failure you and a lot of others singing from the same songsheet will be proven wrong. As you have put yourself up as a political expert What would you do if free movement persists, and the UKs population tops eightyfive million. Build more houses perhaps.
To many people have have fallen hook line and sinker for leave lies, the only cure is reality, harsh reality, it's one thing being stubborn but when you combine that with ignorance, well, we are where we are.

And I also get very, very bored repeating the following, we've made it far too easy to hire and fire, we have lax labour laws that encorage unskilled people to come here and work, my son is a skilled worker who moved to Germany a few years ago and he had too jump through many hoops to get a work permit and then residency, if your forms are not in order you can't legally work and it's goodbye.

In the UK you can literally stroll off the boat get a p45 and join the workforce, the thing that really pisses me off is idiots blaming the EU for the UK governments eagerness for cheap and semi disposable labour, we encouraged the mass influx not the EU.
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gansao
Jun 21 2017, 04:32 AM
Steve K
Jun 20 2017, 10:56 PM
gansao
Jun 20 2017, 10:50 PM
Also I don't believe that a hard Brexit will result in famine and pestilence .
No one on the Remain side said it would

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The UK could recover in a decade or two to become a relatively prosperous country. I also think that the EU would prefer a UK as an ally than on that could potentially be a problem.
A UK tied into the EU is predictable and is an asset. A UK cut loose from the EU is not.

Yes we will be poorer that we could have been and that downturn won't be equally distributed. And when people then look at the core EU countries being better off you will see a search for the guilty and a move to rejoin


No one in the Brexit side said it would be a bed of Roses post Brexit either but some seem to think they did. Thing is that both Hard or soft Brexit will not be as bad or good as some of the opposing sides say it will be.
So for the third time of asking do you work for a company that trades with the EU? :)

Hence the understandable concern on your part.
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Unemployment reaching 4 million will be the catalyst for change - you heard it here first.
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Affa
Jun 21 2017, 08:40 PM
Unemployment reaching 4 million will be the catalyst for change - you heard it here first.
Some people will still be blaming Blair, immigrants and Europe.

Anything but the reality for these people............
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