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| Topic Started: Apr 4 2017, 05:42 PM (202 Views) | |
| disgruntled porker | Apr 4 2017, 05:42 PM Post #1 |
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So now, we are going to be charged £20 a day to use a diesel car. This should be fun. I bought a diesel when motorists were actively encouraged to do so as they were considered cleaner. My motor attracts zero road tax due to it's emissions, so it can't be all that bad. Yes I know it's NO2 that is now considered Mr nasty as opposed to CO2. So are all diesel owners expected to change asap? What garage is going to do a deal? Surely, the govnt should pay diesel owners the going rate for their existing diesel cars so they can go out and buy a new car? Not bad if you own an old banger that's worth £300, but what about those people like me who have a fairly new very nice piece of kit? Perhaps the govnt would like to pay for an engine swap? What about the effect on car manufacturers? What's coming next, a proper "poll" tax? Watch yer nappers! Perhaps a fenestration tax? How are they going to collect this money? Extract it directly from your wages? Collect it at toll booths before entering the proposed zones. That won't cause much gridlock will it? Not to mention it will prevent people from going about their daily business in every aspect. The bloody country will come to a standstill. |
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| ranger121 | Apr 4 2017, 05:51 PM Post #2 |
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There is no way on this earth that I can afford to change mine. The garage won't want it back even in part-x because he knows he's not going to be able to move it on other than for scrap. So, I'll have to cough 'particulates' and pound notes if I want to move anywhere. Fortunately, my current location is on the west coast which gets quite a bit of fresh air all year round AND relies on the income from an 8-mile tail-back of traffic moving at 4 mph from Late September to November, called 'The Lights'. Anyone that thinks they're going to get away with charging diesels for that wants a serious head examination. ------- Oh, and the garage informs me that once a month I should give the car (Mazda 3 sport 2.2D) a 'good blast' (his words) up the motorway to 'burn off' the filtered particulates. Otherwise, a warning will appear on the dash and I'll have to change the filter, which is not cheap. So, guess what I do? Jezza would be proud. |
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| disgruntled porker | Apr 4 2017, 06:06 PM Post #3 |
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I've just had a look at the availability of hybrid cars, which are what they want us to swap to. There just aren't enough to replace the current amount of diesels on the road. Rock and a hard place or what? |
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| RoofGardener | Apr 4 2017, 06:36 PM Post #4 |
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What is this £20/day ? |
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| Tigger | Apr 4 2017, 06:38 PM Post #5 |
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What about commecial vehicles which are almost entirely oil burners? Whack hefty taxes on those and watch the price of all goods rocket. |
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| Steve K | Apr 4 2017, 07:11 PM Post #6 |
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Quite It's not £20, it's £12.50 a day (on top of the universal congestion charge that applies to just about all) It's not everywhere, it's only in London (with some other cities likely to follow) And it's not all diesels, https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone (corrected, see below) Edited by Steve K, Apr 5 2017, 08:02 AM.
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| Tigger | Apr 4 2017, 07:17 PM Post #7 |
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Buy a truck for the daily commute! |
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| Steve K | Apr 4 2017, 07:23 PM Post #8 |
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truck that for a game of cowboys |
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| disgruntled porker | Apr 4 2017, 07:44 PM Post #9 |
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Only £12.50 a day? Oh well, that's ok then! |
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| Steve K | Apr 4 2017, 07:55 PM Post #10 |
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and the other corrections to your OP? |
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| ranger121 | Apr 4 2017, 07:59 PM Post #11 |
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So mine is a 61 plate, by the time this crap gets through the House, it'll apply to me. Not happy, should I wish to spend a tourist day in York, for example, and be charged £12.50 on top of the £5 street parking charge just for visiting by private car that happens to be powered by diesel? Outrageous. |
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| Steve K | Apr 4 2017, 08:05 PM Post #12 |
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So apart from So just out of interest how many times have you driven into York in the last year? Compared to the ~4 million breaths of life limiting NOx laden air the York residents had to take in in the same time. (corrected, see below) Edited by Steve K, Apr 5 2017, 08:02 AM.
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| Curious Cdn | Apr 4 2017, 08:40 PM Post #13 |
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Diesels have some issues in our colder winter climate, in Canada. They have to add noxious goo to diesel fuel to prevent them from becoming waxy in cold weather. The stuff burns dirty, dirty and the only way to clean it up is to develop a sneaky tailpipe app. to hide it. We don't see a lot of diesel cars, here.
Edited by Curious Cdn, Apr 4 2017, 08:41 PM.
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| disgruntled porker | Apr 5 2017, 06:49 AM Post #14 |
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Well you said it applies to cars over 10 years old. The site you linked to says it applies to any cars registered before sept 2015. That doesn't make 'em 10 years old does it? |
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| Steve K | Apr 5 2017, 07:40 AM Post #15 |
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Bugger, they changed it. I checked Mrs K's 62 plate car on that site just the other week Anyway apologies |
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| Oddball | Apr 5 2017, 08:13 AM Post #16 |
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Well I was going to replace my low CO2 emission, low tax and highish MPG small diesel car with a newer second hand one, at the end of this year, but it appears I will have to pay to get rid of my old one and buy a higher CO2 emission, higher tax and lower MPG petrol engined one - bugger - of such is progress. Especially since my annual milage is rather low and mostly takes place on the fringes of town.
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| Ewill | Apr 5 2017, 05:29 PM Post #17 |
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what about those people like me who have a fairly new very nice piece of kit? Me too |
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| Tigger | Apr 5 2017, 07:44 PM Post #18 |
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(Tory mode) I think it should be £20 quid a day, perhaps even more? It'll make it easier for me to drive into large urban areas as a lot of riff raff will be put off. |
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| johnofgwent | Apr 6 2017, 07:10 AM Post #19 |
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I presume this is Sadiq Khans ultra low emission zone fine Sod the congestion zone, take a truck inside Hanger Lane and it costs you £125. Sadiq clearly wants taking my S-Max if I still had it to cost me £20 Here's the thing "Twenty's Plenty" &*&*&*!ers force cars built to cruise economically at 40-50 in top gear to drive at one third their peak efficiency and take almost twice as long to traverse point a to point b in a gear that means their engine is opening and closing its valves at least 30% more often Within a month of the libtard fascist council imposing the 20mph speed limt through the village, the air pollution monitor station they erected to do "bend over and be shafted" servicce to her imperatrix Merkel Most High and her fucking Green Cardigan Tree Huggers showed a tripling of air polluition Yes it WOULD when you force cars to nose to tail and take twice as long as they need to and turn their engines over 30% more than they need to. |
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| Gnikkk | Apr 6 2017, 04:09 PM Post #20 |
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I'd like to suggest that we are all doing our bit for lowering CO2 and therefore are all heroes, we deserve a medal. I notice today the differential in Petrol to Diesel is in some places 10p, opportunistic parasites all of them. |
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| ranger121 | Apr 6 2017, 06:22 PM Post #21 |
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This has been brought on by 'themselves' whoever 'they' actually are. For me, it really is all about the money. When driving a petrol car during a working life, I would visit the garage probably twice a month and stick £25 in. Now, I'm driving a diesel (a lot less because I've retired) and I fill up about once every two months with £30-50. [it's a sporty job, and not 'economical'; I also have a heavy foot - I digress.] When we were all being scared with CO2 propaganda, we were 'advised' to buy diesel because it was better for the environment. We went for it in our millions - myself included, but it really was all about it being the only 'sport' model on the lot that I could afford. It just happened to be a big lump of diesel rather than an underpowered petrol version. But, overall, it looks like that everybody spending a lot less at the pumps because diesel goes alot further than petrol, and an abundance of electric/hybrids around, has caused a tax crisis. We diesel owners chortle as we pass service station after Costa pee break without needing to fill up. People aren't earning off travel. In the past few years I have only 'spent a penny' in any motorway service station. Tax income from these places has clearly gone down. For me, the answer is simple. If we have to pay more in tax, so be it. If it's the motorist yet again 'for the sake of the environment', so be it. The Australian system of paying a fee for mileage on diesel vehicles (or any, for that matter) would be simple to introduce. MOT your car, mileage noted, DVLA informed, they send you a bill. The more miles you do, the more you use the road and pollute the environment with your stinking particulates from any burning fuel, the higher the bill. That would certainly curtail my tourist-type visits to York, for example. This money is ring-fenced into the cost of maintaining and building roads - even the cost of policing them. After all, if we the motorist are paying extra for the driving privilege, and reducing our devil pollution, then let's see some improvements? How about 0.1p a mile? |
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| Oddball | Apr 7 2017, 07:18 AM Post #22 |
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ranger - If 'we' diesel guys arn't forced back to petrol, then, as you intimate, the viability/profitability of such as motorway services will come into question, and costa a lotta for fuel, and Costa a lotta for coffee and nosh availability might even need some goverment/taxpayer subsidy. Also, as you mention, homebased tourism will take an increasing hit, causing either government/taxpayer subsidies, here and there, or a greater charge to overseas tourists - which will amost certainly hit that part of the market as well. We live in interesting times. I'll stay at home, eating my home delivered popcorn, and see what transpires as political problem solving/aggravating. |
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| disgruntled porker | Apr 7 2017, 06:53 PM Post #23 |
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Well it's set me off looking around. Like Ranger, I had the 2.2 Mazda but downgraded to a Honda civic tourer black edition last year. Really good on juice and zero road tax due to very low emissions. A very nice and useful motor car! The one I'm looking at now is the Lexus hybrid. Just have to see how much of a loss a swap would make. |
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