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The Brexit "Thank God We Left" thread
Topic Started: Apr 6 2017, 12:50 PM (1,448 Views)
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I thought it might be amusing to have a thread discussing post-referendum EU policies and proposals that we may NOT have been happy about. (and rejoicing in the fact that we are no longer bound by them. )

This is a sort of complementary/counterpoint to Tiggers excellent "Brexit self-harm thread"
http://w11.zetaboards.com/UK_Debate_Mk_2/topic/30198195/4/#new

I'll set the ball rolling with this one, though strictly speaking it started just before the referendum.

Remember how the Remain camp assured us that we would have control over our own borders, and that the EU could not impose migration on us ? (Indeed, that was one of the planks of Camarons negotiations). That was referring to EU migration; obviously. The idea of the EU imposing non-EU migration would have been beyond the pale.

I'm sure I can recall comments that the UK ultimately had the abtility to deny people entrance if it was in the national interest, and hence retained sovereignty.

Well, the eastern-bloc countries would be laughing at THAT one. They are now facing both large fines, and possible expulsion from the EU, because they have refused a new "refugees quota" that the Commission is imposing on all EU states. You have to take in your "quota" of migrants (a quota set by the Commission), or face fines. Refuse to pay the fine, and you could be ejected ! And of course, recent history suggests that "Refugees" rarely leave, and become "Residents". So this is actually enforced immigration policy.

http://bbj.hu/politics/hungary-may-face-eu-quota-ultimatum-says-report_131096

So much for sovereignty of borders then ?
"Glad we're out" !moon!
Edited by RoofGardener, Apr 6 2017, 01:07 PM.
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:facepalm: more fake news :banghead:
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Shurely you not shuggesting that the Budapesht Bushiness Newsh could have mishled us ? <hic> :P
Edited by RoofGardener, Apr 6 2017, 01:22 PM.
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Apr 6 2017, 01:21 PM
Shurely you not shuggesting that the Budapesht Bushiness Newsh could have mishled us ? <hic> :P
Nope I'm saying you did

Maybe you want to use the delete thread button. You do know the UK wasn't included in that relocation quota agreement don't you? You do know that agreement was ditched last September after protests from the Eastern EU countries don't you

here's a link you really won't like.

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/sites/homeaffairs/files/what-we-do/policies/european-agenda-migration/press-material/docs/state_of_play_-_relocation_en.pdf

"Denmark N/A
Greece N/A
Italy N/A
United Kingdom N/A"

We had and have an opt out and we used it. Now please don't tell us all the reason you voted out was because you didn't know that.

https://www.ft.com/content/3282746e-11d8-11e6-839f-2922947098f0


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What makes you think I won't like that link SteveK ? I thought it was a LOVELY link !

Here's the thing; if you had stated in 2014 that the Commission would regulate for member states to have compulsory immigration imposed on them (from places like Eritrea), then people would have laughed at you. One year later.. POW.. it happened.

The UK, Denmark and Ireland where wise enough to have opt-in agreements in the relevant Treaty sections, and could CHOOSE not to participate. However, what about the NEXT "totally unexpected" Commission decision ? And the one after that ? And so forth.

And THAT is the reason why I voted to leave. Immigration was not a Brexit issue for me. (or at least, only a very peripheral one).

So, lets see what happens to Hungary, Chzech, Poland, and others as the Brussels boot comes down on them. :)
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Apr 6 2017, 03:17 PM
What makes you think I won't like that link SteveK ? I thought it was a LOVELY link !

Here's the thing; if you had stated in 2014 that the Commission would regulate for member states to have compulsory immigration imposed on them (from places like Eritrea), then people would have laughed at you. One year later.. POW.. it happened.

The UK, Denmark and Ireland where wise enough to have opt-in agreements in the relevant Treaty sections, and could CHOOSE not to participate. However, what about the NEXT "totally unexpected" Commission decision ? And the one after that ? And so forth.

And THAT is the reason why I voted to leave. Immigration was not a Brexit issue for me. (or at least, only a very peripheral one).

So, lets see what happens to Hungary, Chzech, Poland, and others as the Brussels boot comes down on them. :)
So when you wrote in the OP "I'm sure I can recall comments that the UK ultimately had the abtility to deny people entrance if it was in the national interest, and hence retained sovereignty." you were in no way trying to infer that we didn't?

Pull the other one
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Apr 6 2017, 12:50 PM
I thought it might be amusing to have a thread discussing post-referendum EU policies and proposals that we may NOT have been happy about. (and rejoicing in the fact that we are no longer bound by them. )

This is a sort of complementary/counterpoint to Tiggers excellent "Brexit self-harm thread"
http://w11.zetaboards.com/UK_Debate_Mk_2/topic/30198195/4/#new

I'll set the ball rolling with this one, though strictly speaking it started just before the referendum.

Remember how the Remain camp assured us that we would have control over our own borders, and that the EU could not impose migration on us ? (Indeed, that was one of the planks of Camarons negotiations). That was referring to EU migration; obviously. The idea of the EU imposing non-EU migration would have been beyond the pale.

I'm sure I can recall comments that the UK ultimately had the abtility to deny people entrance if it was in the national interest, and hence retained sovereignty.

Well, the eastern-bloc countries would be laughing at THAT one. They are now facing both large fines, and possible expulsion from the EU, because they have refused a new "refugees quota" that the Commission is imposing on all EU states. You have to take in your "quota" of migrants (a quota set by the Commission), or face fines. Refuse to pay the fine, and you could be ejected ! And of course, recent history suggests that "Refugees" rarely leave, and become "Residents". So this is actually enforced immigration policy.

http://bbj.hu/politics/hungary-may-face-eu-quota-ultimatum-says-report_131096

So much for sovereignty of borders then ?
"Glad we're out" !moon!
It's clearly a mean spirited all out for ourselves club. They don't give a damn about the whole just what's in it for them. We are well rid, just say unless these threats cease we are just off and bollox to you all.
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:facepalm: more fake news :banghead:
!jk!

It's a worry isn't it? We are stumbling in the dark and we don't even have the nous to load some batteries in the torch! ;D
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:facepalm: more fake news :banghead:
!jk!

It's a worry isn't it? We are stumbling in the dark and we don't even have the nous to load some batteries in the torch! ;D
Yep

This "look what we saved you from" false narrative is going to become deafening over the next few years as the realisation deepens about what Brexit really means.
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Apr 6 2017, 03:17 PM
What makes you think I won't like that link SteveK ? I thought it was a LOVELY link !

Here's the thing; if you had stated in 2014 that the Commission would regulate for member states to have compulsory immigration imposed on them (from places like Eritrea), then people would have laughed at you. One year later.. POW.. it happened.

The UK, Denmark and Ireland where wise enough to have opt-in agreements in the relevant Treaty sections, and could CHOOSE not to participate. However, what about the NEXT "totally unexpected" Commission decision ? And the one after that ? And so forth.

And THAT is the reason why I voted to leave. Immigration was not a Brexit issue for me. (or at least, only a very peripheral one).

So, lets see what happens to Hungary, Chzech, Poland, and others as the Brussels boot comes down on them. :)
So when you wrote in the OP "I'm sure I can recall comments that the UK ultimately had the abtility to deny people entrance if it was in the national interest, and hence retained sovereignty." you were in no way trying to infer that we didn't?

Pull the other one
Hmm... I might have got carried away with that one. But SteveK, you seem to be missing the elephant in the room.

Had you spoken to the average Czech back in 2014, and told them that the EU would impose African and Middle-Eastern immigrants on them, then they would almost certainly have laughed in your face, and perhaps accused you of peddling scare stories. (project fear, even ? ).

Do you not accept that the EU is (and always has been) expanding its authority to interfere with all manner of issues that would traditionally be regarded as the province of national sovereignty ? Who knows what it will decide is in the "common interest" next ?

And having the 'opt-out' (strictly speaking, an opt-IN, I believe ? ) is a useful thing, but it is subject to political pressure.

Thank goodness we're out !

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...This "look what we saved you from" false narrative is going to become deafening over the next few years as the realisation deepens about what Brexit really means...

I'd slightly paraphrase that...
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..This "look what we saved you from" narrative is going to become deafening over the next few years as the realisation deepens about what the EU was really all about..... "


Watch this space ;D
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Apr 7 2017, 06:57 AM
Hmm... I might have got carried away with that one. But SteveK, you seem to be missing the elephant in the room.


Big shock there.

I don't know why, but SteveK seems to be persistently missing the point, the elephants in the room, and the gist of a message repeatedly lately.

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Apr 7 2017, 06:57 AM

Had you spoken to the average Czech back in 2014, and told them that the EU would impose African and Middle-Eastern immigrants on them, then they would almost certainly have laughed in your face, and perhaps accused you of peddling scare stories. (project fear, even ? ).

Do you not accept that the EU is (and always has been) expanding its authority to interfere with all manner of issues that would traditionally be regarded as the province of national sovereignty ? Who knows what it will decide is in the "common interest" next ?

And having the 'opt-out' (strictly speaking, an opt-IN, I believe ? ) is a useful thing, but it is subject to political pressure.

Thank goodness we're out !


Agreed, partially anyway, we're not out yet, and it'll take us a long time to fully extricate ourselves from it.

Edited by Malum Unus, Apr 7 2017, 09:16 AM.
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Hmm... I might have got carried away with that one. But SteveK, you seem to be missing the elephant in the room.


Big shock there.

I don't know why, but SteveK seems to be persistently missing the point, the elephants in the room, and the gist of a message repeatedly lately.
Translation (ignoring the personal attack)

You posted idiot hyperbole, got called out for it and are now claiming it's so unfair that I point out that debate isn't served by posting such rubbish with intent to deceive.

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Hey! that's my younger brother, just keep him out of this ;D
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Hmm... I might have got carried away with that one. But SteveK, you seem to be missing the elephant in the room.


Big shock there.

I don't know why, but SteveK seems to be persistently missing the point, the elephants in the room, and the gist of a message repeatedly lately.
Translation (ignoring the personal attack)

You posted idiot hyperbole, got called out for it and are now claiming it's so unfair that I point out that debate isn't served by posting such rubbish with intent to deceive.



More like: You decided to come up with your own definition of what people mean (regardless of what they actually mean), then you just run with it.
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Hey! that's my younger brother, just keep him out of this ;D
^^ !jk! !jk! !clp! ^^
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This is interesting.

Make a list of all of the benefits that have flooded in to you because of Brexit.

Show us how your lifes have benefitted., so far. Where's the magic?
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Tricky one, for two reasons.
Firstly, and most obviously, Brexit hasn't happened yet.
Secondly, independence is a strategic issue rather than a tactical one. It will take time for the full delights to become apparent.

Has my life benefited so far ? Dunno really. I feel more optimistic about the future, and I'm giving up smoking. So far so good !
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This is interesting.

Make a list of all of the benefits that have flooded in to you because of Brexit.

Show us how your lifes have benefitted., so far. Where's the magic?
Well we've er, got our country back so I'm led to believe but I can't tell you who had it before, no doubt we'll take back even more control by slashing workers rights, after all we won't be able to compete with Chinese 10 year olds with H&S and reasonable wages stiffling innovation.

I'm sorry to say some of us know we are in for an almighty kick in.

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Apr 8 2017, 05:10 PM
This is interesting.

Make a list of all of the benefits that have flooded in to you because of Brexit.

Show us how your lifes have benefitted., so far. Where's the magic?
Apparently we're going to all get more time off when Boris does free trade deals with cheap labour nations as the jobs will be exported there

Only those spoil sport 'remoaners' say there's a flaw in this


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I take it he's the looker in the family?

He certainly would be in mine 😂
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I take it he's the looker in the family?

He certainly would be in mine 😂
He is a bit of a poser ;D
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Remainers worry about GDP, when their monolith has imported terrorism and death, like some sort of vanity project.
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This is interesting.

Make a list of all of the benefits that have flooded in to you because of Brexit.

Show us how your lifes have benefitted., so far. Where's the magic?
well ...

Tigger will really hate me for this but the fact is, since the referendum I have seen a significant INCREASE in emails asking me if i am looking for work and offering me contracts at a higher rate.

I can only assume the hordes who flooded here to nick my work from me have pissed off home.
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Remainers worry about GDP, when their monolith has imported terrorism and death, like some sort of vanity project.
Terrorism and death has been spreading its wings for decades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks


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Apr 8 2017, 05:10 PM
This is interesting.

Make a list of all of the benefits that have flooded in to you because of Brexit.

Show us how your lifes have benefitted., so far. Where's the magic?
well ...

Tigger will really hate me for this but the fact is, since the referendum I have seen a significant INCREASE in emails asking me if i am looking for work and offering me contracts at a higher rate.

I can only assume the hordes who flooded here to nick my work from me have pissed off home.
If so, JoG will be wealthier, the country will be poorer and surviving the leaving of the EU will be made more difficult for the country and troublesome for millions of people. But never mind John will be a happy bunny :)
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Remainers worry about GDP, when their monolith has imported terrorism and death, like some sort of vanity project.

Do I understand you correctly?
Being in the EU is responsible for Islamic terrorism and why we are no longer entirely safe at home?

I heard similar reasons for voting Out -one did so because of the organised sex abuse scandal in Rotherham. Immigration!

Why these people do not look to Westminster for the reason is probably because our media don't.
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Apr 8 2017, 10:27 PM
Remainers worry about GDP, when their monolith has imported terrorism and death, like some sort of vanity project.

Do I understand you correctly?
Being in the EU is responsible for Islamic terrorism and why we are no longer entirely safe at home?

I heard similar reasons for voting Out -one did so because of the organised sex abuse scandal in Rotherham. Immigration!

Why these people do not look to Westminster for the reason is probably because our media don't.


I'm using remainer logic here. If we voted out to the detriment of GDP, you voted in to the detriment of lives.

Which chancellor was shouting and ordering wilkomen on behalf of other nation states; in order to fakeugees, refugees, economic migrants and would be terrorists in?

We'll play that game again, here's the clue her surname begins with another ominous 'M'.

That would be under club EU remit and I see the tensions are still their with Hungary and other ex-E.bloc nations.

Do as you are told, or fuck offski!

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Remainers worry about GDP, when their monolith has imported terrorism and death, like some sort of vanity project.

Do I understand you correctly?
Being in the EU is responsible for Islamic terrorism and why we are no longer entirely safe at home?

I heard similar reasons for voting Out -one did so because of the organised sex abuse scandal in Rotherham. Immigration!

Why these people do not look to Westminster for the reason is probably because our media don't.


I'm using remainer logic here. If we voted out to the detriment of GDP, you voted in to the detriment of lives.

Which chancellor was shouting and ordering wilkomen on behalf of other nation states; in order to fakeugees, refugees, economic migrants and would be terrorists in?

We'll play that game again, here's the clue her surname begins with another ominous 'M'.

That would be under club EU remit and I see the tensions are still their with Hungary and other ex-E.bloc nations.

Do as you are told, or fuck offski!

So it should be so easy for you to name one terrorist incident in the UK that was perpetrated by someone admitted to the UK because of EU rules

Go on then, name one
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By the same token, it should be easy for you to dismiss all terrorist incidents in the EU that was perpetrated by someone admitted into Europe because of EU rules.

Go on then, name them.

You worry about GDP, and I'll worry about peoples' lives.
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By the same token, it should be easy for you to dismiss all terrorist incidents in the EU that was perpetrated by someone admitted into Europe because of EU rules.

Go on then, name them.

You worry about GDP, and I'll worry about peoples' lives.
So you are going to run away from answering an easy question.

We can conclude that when you posted "Remainers worry about GDP, when their monolith has imported terrorism and death, like some sort of vanity project." and "you voted in to the detriment of lives." it was just vindictive bollocks then.

A new low for uber Outers
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By the same token, it should be easy for you to dismiss all terrorist incidents in the EU that was perpetrated by someone admitted into Europe because of EU rules.

Go on then, name them.

You worry about GDP, and I'll worry about peoples' lives.
So you are going to run away from answering an easy question.

We can conclude that when you posted "Remainers worry about GDP, when their monolith has imported terrorism and death, like some sort of vanity project." and "you voted in to the detriment of lives." it was just vindictive bollocks then.

A new low for uber Outers



It is remainer logic though and when it's used back at you it's vindictive.

If Outers voted for the ecomomic crash you and others are hoping for (which actually is bloody vindictive!), in your effort of one-up-man-ship on an inet forum then by that same token I'll say you voted for death on the streets of Europe under the guise of a German vanity project.

What's good for the goose...
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If Outers voted for the ecomomic crash you and others are hoping for . . .
Show me where I have hoped for an economic crash. If that is you weren't just making up more vindictive bollocks
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It is remainer logic though and when it's used back at you it's vindictive.

If Outers voted for the ecomomic crash you and others are hoping for (which actually is bloody vindictive!), in your effort of one-up-man-ship on an inet forum then by that same token I'll say you voted for death on the streets of Europe under the guise of a German vanity project.

What's good for the goose...

It might appear that those on the Remain side are anticipating economic decline with some relish, but it isn't so. I doubt there is one that would not be overjoyed were the UK to prosper post Brexit - we just think it very unlikely.

I also think this latent animosity towards those that opposed Leaving is alarming - because it reveal divisions. We are a divided nation because our State system encourages and in some instances creates divisions ...... it is how they maintain their control!

I have family members that voted Out - I still love them, and they me .......... the same must be true of lots of families. Don't fight when there is no prize to be won.
Edited by Affa, Apr 9 2017, 10:48 AM.
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If Outers voted for the ecomomic crash you and others are hoping for . . .
Show me where I have hoped for an economic crash. If that is you weren't just making up more vindictive bollocks
You concern yourself with GDP, I'll worry about the safety of human beings. :thumbsup:

You voted for project vanity. Not me. Own it.
Edited by Mr Pat, Apr 9 2017, 11:15 AM.
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If Outers voted for the ecomomic crash you and others are hoping for . . .
Show me where I have hoped for an economic crash. If that is you weren't just making up more vindictive bollocks
You concern yourself with GDP, I'll worry about the safety of human beings. :thumbsup:

You voted for project vanity. Not me. Own it.
This is turning into a bad day for you Mr Pat.

You've made two nasty allegations about me and other remainers and fallen flat on your face when presented with simple challenges to back them up with evidence

An adult would apologise. I would suggest you at least shut it with the personal attacks and focus on debate using arguments of substance.
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You concern yourself with GDP, I'll worry about the safety of human beings. :thumbsup:

You voted for project vanity. Not me. Own it.
This is turning into a bad day for you Mr Pat.

You've made two nasty allegations about me and other remainers and fallen flat on your face when presented with simple challenges to back them up with evidence

An adult would apologise. I would suggest you at least shut it with the personal attacks and focus on debate using arguments of substance.
No. I can't apologise for having that opinion I'm afraid.

Vanity project - it's all yours, have it.

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It might appear that those on the Remain side are anticipating economic decline with some relish, but it isn't so. I doubt there is one that would not be overjoyed were the UK to prosper post Brexit - we just think it very unlikely.

I also think this latent animosity towards those that opposed Leaving is alarming - because it reveal divisions. We are a divided nation because our State system encourages and in some instances creates divisions ...... it is how they maintain their control!

I have family members that voted Out - I still love them, and they me .......... the same must be true of lots of families. Don't fight when there is no prize to be won.
Yep well said

it's just fundamentally dishonest and somewhat malicious of the uber Outers to portray anyone that voted Remain as somehow supportive of everything the EU is and could have become.

I was a 'Remain for now' so that deal could have been given a chance. If it hadn't worked we'd just have gone back to the EU and said we tried it, now we have migration limits or we're out. The EU27 blinked once, they'd have blinked again.

Where Mr Pat gets his idea anyone of us is obsessed about GDP from I know not.
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Affa
Apr 9 2017, 10:47 AM
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Apr 9 2017, 10:09 AM

It is remainer logic though and when it's used back at you it's vindictive.

If Outers voted for the ecomomic crash you and others are hoping for (which actually is bloody vindictive!), in your effort of one-up-man-ship on an inet forum then by that same token I'll say you voted for death on the streets of Europe under the guise of a German vanity project.

What's good for the goose...

It might appear that those on the Remain side are anticipating economic decline with some relish, but it isn't so. I doubt there is one that would not be overjoyed were the UK to prosper post Brexit - we just think it very unlikely.

I also think this latent animosity towards those that opposed Leaving is alarming - because it reveal divisions. We are a divided nation because our State system encourages and in some instances creates divisions ...... it is how they maintain their control!

I have family members that voted Out - I still love them, and they me .......... the same must be true of lots of families. Don't fight when there is no prize to be won.
Yeap, as a remainer with a mortgage and two young kids there is nothing I would like more than to be proven spectacularly wrong about Brexit, we shall see I suppose.
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Apr 9 2017, 09:25 AM
So it should be so easy for you to name one terrorist incident in the UK that was perpetrated by someone admitted to the UK because of EU rules

Go on then, name one
I might be able to help here. An act of destructive terrorism carried out by somebody allowed into the UK under EU rules ?

How about... the Maastricht Treaty , by Jacques Delors ?  !bgrin!

OK... ok... sorry.. couldn't resist.

On a more serious note, surely it is wise to stop them getting in BEFORE they butcher British citizens ? For certain the Paris attrocity was committed by Islamists who entered (or 're-entered') Europe as refugees. Several of them had French or Dutch nationality, but had gone to Syria to fight for ISIS. They subsequently took advantage of the migrant horde as a disguise to get back IN to Europe (without alerting Interpol), and thence took advantage of Shengen to get into France (once more without alerting the various security services).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/02/majority-of-paris-attackers-used-migration-routes-to-enter-europ/
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