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Terror attack in Stockholm (merged); Lorry rammed into pedestrians and shop
Topic Started: Apr 7 2017, 06:40 PM (891 Views)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39531108

Several people killed. Terrorist stole lorry, rammed shops, managed to run away and has not yet been detained.
Sounds familiar ?

No doubt it is more Right-Wing/Christian Terrorism.

Bizarrely, the report also states that shots where fired elsewhere in Stockholm, but that it was not connected.
Not connected ? People are firing guns in central Stockholm and it isn't even investigated by the media ?
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Let me beat the usuals to it, Swedish society is about to collapse under sheer weight of Muslims and radical Islam, basically because Swedes are wet behind the ears liberals who let brown people with funny names in............
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I'm sure the families of the three (or more) dead people would find that terribly helpful, Tigger :nono:
Edited by RoofGardener, Apr 7 2017, 06:52 PM.
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Let me beat the usuals to it, Swedish society is about to collapse under sheer weight of Muslims and radical Islam, basically because Swedes are wet behind the ears liberals who let brown people with funny names in............
See, you two are the problem.

It would be practical to reduce migration, because guess what when there was less Muslims, there was less terrorism, uncomfortable fact.

Also as the number has gotten larger more radicalisation has happened, another uncomfortable fact.

In the past we had to deal with a very small number of terrorist acts, now if you look at the reports thousands each year and even more that has been stopped.

But obviously we've gone too far so we can not take the more harsher route, so yes blaming the religion which would be right, isn't going to help, nor comparing it to dead religions like Christianity(well at the current rate, not far of), so having less migration could help with the ghettoisation that's happened in Stockholm.

Maybe even helping with returning for those who haven't integrated.

Because if things don't change the general population will fix it and no-one wants that.
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I'm sure the families of the three (or more) dead people would find that terribly helpful, Tigger :nono:
I just thought I'd get it out of the way first, otherwise it'll bog the thread down with the sortof repetitious home spun bilge we always have to endure after such events.
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Because if things don't change the general population will fix it and no-one wants that.
Really, do tell? :)
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Because if things don't change the general population will fix it and no-one wants that.
Really, do tell? :)
The October Revolution and the Nazi party comes to mind, those movements were built around the idea of the people being ignored and forgotten, I am not talking about near future, but both of those movement were in the making for years, there are others but those two are the most prominent, luckily enough people were looked after better post WW2, but it seems another up-swirl of movements, both by the left and the right, both end up going badly normally.

There are some movement that are building even the Swedish Democrats are going support and no-one would have believed that, kinda similar to the Front National.

I just think a more planed reversal of certain trends would be far better then waiting for extremist either side rearing their heads.

But I guess we could bury our heads in the sands, been doing that for a while.
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Because if things don't change the general population will fix it and no-one wants that.
Really, do tell? :)
The October Revolution and the Nazi party comes to mind, those movements were built around the idea of the people being ignored and forgotten, I am not talking about near future, but both of those movement were in the making for years, there are others but those two are the most prominent, luckily enough people were looked after better post WW2, but it seems another up-swirl of movements, both by the left and the right, both end up going badly normally.

There are some movement that are building even the Swedish Democrats are going support and no-one would have believed that, kinda similar to the Front National.

I just think a more planed reversal of certain trends would be far better then waiting for extremist either side rearing their heads.

But I guess we could bury our heads in the sands, been doing that for a while.
So basically a modern democratic state cannot handle the odd Islamic fuckwit dying for Allah and the natural outcome is a far right government elected by the people who will sweep all dissenters before it?

Pull the other one............
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The October Revolution and the Nazi party comes to mind, those movements were built around the idea of the people being ignored and forgotten, I am not talking about near future, but both of those movement were in the making for years, there are others but those two are the most prominent, luckily enough people were looked after better post WW2, but it seems another up-swirl of movements, both by the left and the right, both end up going badly normally.

There are some movement that are building even the Swedish Democrats are going support and no-one would have believed that, kinda similar to the Front National.

I just think a more planed reversal of certain trends would be far better then waiting for extremist either side rearing their heads.

But I guess we could bury our heads in the sands, been doing that for a while.
So basically a modern democratic state cannot handle the odd Islamic fuckwit dying for Allah and the natural outcome is a far right government elected by the people who will sweep all dissenters before it?

Pull the other one............
So both the new democratic Russia & Germany didn't have such events happen, well I never, Tigger get your head back in that sand.

Well, a lot of people aren't upset by the few crazies, more the fact that larger ghettos are foaming and people opinions of Islam is dropping like a rock in water.

If radicalisation keeps increasing with the ghettos, don't be surprised if it happens, the Jewish people caused less trouble and that didn't end well.

I'd rather not go down any too similar routes, also can a modern Democratic state just turn around and say, this is an issue, it's time to leave, I doubt it.

Also don't forget far-left, they would probably purge religion, ergo Soviet Union.

Religion already has gained a low opinion from people and far-left do like killing religious people.
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It would be practical to reduce migration, because guess what when there was less Muslims, there was less terrorism, uncomfortable fact.
Here's another equally useless fact: when there was nobody called Dan posting on internet forums there was less terrorism too. Therefore . . . . .

Simplistic xenophobic so called explanations will just not help anyone. They never have and of course the irony has flown right past you that it is similarly simplistic xenophobic so called explanations that fuel the likes of this murderer and this appalling act.

You win by isolating the evil not by driving more people towards it






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It would be practical to reduce migration, because guess what when there was less Muslims, there was less terrorism, uncomfortable fact.
Here's another equally useless fact: when there was nobody called Dan posting on internet forums there was less terrorism too. Therefore . . . . .

Simplistic xenophobic so called explanations will just not help anyone. They never have and of course the irony has flown right past you that it is similarly simplistic xenophobic so called explanations that fuel the likes of this murderer and this appalling act.

You win by isolating the evil not by driving more people towards it






See, now you just being silly.

There was less Islamic terrorism, when there was less Muslims in Europe and we aren't talking about unrelated terrorism, if I attributed all terrorism to them, that would be incorrect, but I am talking about Islamic terrorism, now get your head back in that sand.

Also if people are going kill for what I said, maybe we should be even less welcoming, because you make it sound like a threat, be nice to us, or we'll blow you up.

I just wouldn't have invited so many, there seemed to be less radicalisation when there were small numbers, also less ghettos.

But let's be so progressive, oh yeah get your head back in the sand.

People who don't live within these areas, have no idea, I get tired of their naivety.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/07/truck-crashes-in-central-stockholm-sweden

So, mad Merkel's vanity project continues to take innocent lives across Europe. And yes, I don't think it was the Mormons who did it and will assume it's part of the other bunch who begin with the letter 'M'.

Don't worry though, those poor dead souls can rest easy knowing that GDP was down by half a percent and importing migrants of the blood thirst variety will at times cause death. But hey, GDP is more important and so is the growth of the black economy, along with the other M word, multiculturalism.

Swedes will no doubt react by holding hands and singing John Lennon's Imagine, the pinnacle of the liberati, the progressive docile Swede who were one of the harmless welcoming committees to diverse culture have now been given a huge dose of reality.

And on a separate note, it seems Mr. Trump dabbles in the dark arts of seeing into the future.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/07/truck-crashes-in-central-stockholm-sweden

So, mad Merkel's vanity project continues to take innocent lives across Europe. And yes, I don't think it was the Mormons who did it and will assume it's part of the other bunch who begin with the letter 'M'.

Don't worry though, those poor dead souls can rest easy knowing that GDP was down by half a percent and importing migrants of the blood thirst variety will at times cause death. But hey, GDP is more important and so is the growth of the black economy, along with the other M word, multiculturalism.

Swedes will no doubt react by holding hands and singing John Lennon's Imagine, the pinnacle of the liberati, the progressive docile Swede who were one of the harmless welcoming committees to diverse culture have now been given a huge dose of reality.

And on a separate note, it seems Mr. Trump dabbles in the dark arts of seeing into the future.

Another one who believes these 'M' problems are all the result of the liberal left.
Reading it Multiculturism, globalisation even, are all a Socialist experiment in harmony of nations races, and religions. . ...... it's Harm all right, but it's ***money and Capitalism that are the real cause!

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/07/truck-crashes-in-central-stockholm-sweden

So, mad Merkel's vanity project continues to take innocent lives across Europe. And yes, I don't think it was the Mormons who did it and will assume it's part of the other bunch who begin with the letter 'M'.

Don't worry though, those poor dead souls can rest easy knowing that GDP was down by half a percent and importing migrants of the blood thirst variety will at times cause death. But hey, GDP is more important and so is the growth of the black economy, along with the other M word, multiculturalism.

Swedes will no doubt react by holding hands and singing John Lennon's Imagine, the pinnacle of the liberati, the progressive docile Swede who were one of the harmless welcoming committees to diverse culture have now been given a huge dose of reality.

And on a separate note, it seems Mr. Trump dabbles in the dark arts of seeing into the future.

Another one who believes these 'M' problems are all the result of the liberal left.
Reading it Multiculturism, globalisation even, are all a Socialist experiment in harmony of nations races, and religions. . ...... it's Harm all right, but it's ***money and Capitalism that are the real cause!

They most definitely are.

And if you are of the liberal left persuasion don't try and palm this off to anyone else.
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The left hitched their wagon to a religious cult and have used it's followers as a weapon wanting to rub the rights nose if diversity and gain voters, that was just the start of the mayhem they have caused.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/07/truck-crashes-in-central-stockholm-sweden

So, mad Merkel's vanity project continues to take innocent lives across Europe. And yes, I don't think it was the Mormons who did it and will assume it's part of the other bunch who begin with the letter 'M'.

Don't worry though, those poor dead souls can rest easy knowing that GDP was down by half a percent and importing migrants of the blood thirst variety will at times cause death. But hey, GDP is more important and so is the growth of the black economy, along with the other M word, multiculturalism.

Swedes will no doubt react by holding hands and singing John Lennon's Imagine, the pinnacle of the liberati, the progressive docile Swede who were one of the harmless welcoming committees to diverse culture have now been given a huge dose of reality.

And on a separate note, it seems Mr. Trump dabbles in the dark arts of seeing into the future.

Another one who believes these 'M' problems are all the result of the liberal left.
Reading it Multiculturism, globalisation even, are all a Socialist experiment in harmony of nations races, and religions. . ...... it's Harm all right, but it's ***money and Capitalism that are the real cause!

They most definitely are.

And if you are of the liberal left persuasion don't try and palm this off to anyone else.

I don't have to try, it is a fact!
Ever since Thatcher we have had neo-liberalism, Globalism, and deregulation .......... and all done to free up business, open up markets, expand the market economy ........ none of which have a Socialist motivation.
The most obvious result of all this Business first philosophy being that whilst investors have been happy, SOCIETY itself has not been at all happy. Wrecked by corporate greed and political compliance in aiding it.



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Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/07/truck-crashes-in-central-stockholm-swedenAnother one who believes these 'M' problems are all the result of the liberal left.
Reading it Multiculturism, globalisation even, are all a Socialist experiment in harmony of nations races, and religions. . ...... it's Harm all right, but it's ***money and Capitalism that are the real cause!

They most definitely are.

And if you are of the liberal left persuasion don't try and palm this off to anyone else.

I don't have to try, it is a fact!
Ever since Thatcher we have had neo-liberalism, Globalism, and deregulation .......... and all done to free up business, open up markets, expand the market economy ........ none of which have a Socialist motivation.
The most obvious result of all this Business first philosophy being that whilst investors have been happy, SOCIETY itself has not been at all happy. Wrecked by corporate greed and political compliance in aiding it.



Wow.

Using Thatcher's deregulation as a deflection from 'self loathing safe spacers' and the EU Germany's guilt vanity project is absolute BS.

This is on you, like Brexit (as we're often reminded) is on us.

Own it!
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/07/truck-crashes-in-central-stockholm-swedenAnother one who believes these 'M' problems are all the result of the liberal left.

I don't have to try, it is a fact!
Ever since Thatcher we have had neo-liberalism, Globalism, and deregulation .......... and all done to free up business, open up markets, expand the market economy ........ none of which have a Socialist motivation.
The most obvious result of all this Business first philosophy being that whilst investors have been happy, SOCIETY itself has not been at all happy. Wrecked by corporate greed and political compliance in aiding it.



Wow.

Using Thatcher's deregulation as a deflection from 'self loathing safe spacers' and the EU Germany's guilt vanity project is absolute BS.

This is on you, like Brexit (as we're often reminded) is on us.

Own it!
I disagree, you can not blame them, they have no control over idealistic politicians, many here who support the EU, or at-least the common market, have made concerns over immigration and increasing EU oversight and enlargement.

As I said it's just naivety from these people of aren't living within those areas, where I gained such motivation for my anti-mass immigration views, hence why more younger people in France are going for le-pen for the mistakes of their elders, which again isn't wise, but this is what happens when you constantly mess up as many politicians have.

Also blaming Germany isn't the answer, I was talking to a German and his views on Merkel is that she's a populist and she allowed in migrants because she foolishly thought her people wanted it, but now she's done a u-turn and decided to be against it.

He called her the U-turn Chancellor.

All I want is people to see the issue with ghettoisation and radicalisation, I am not even talking about the bombers just the general sentiments within this enclaves, but people first defence is to bat it out of hand, I wouldn't be opposed to helping people return who seem unable to integrate.

It's not surprising as numbers have risen things have gotten worse, wouldn't you feel emboldened if more people thought the same way as you, also you live within a feedback loop and constant reinforcement.
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This is on you, like Brexit (as we're often reminded) is on us.

Own it!

It is difficult for me to know how best to respond.
Globalisation has seen jobs disappear from the West, and millions of foreign migrants moving West to compete for what jobs remain, and you think this is Socialism's doing?
Society has been the victim of corporate global expansionism, and that is in your opinion something the left should 'own'.
You read the Daily Mail, right?
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This is on you, like Brexit (as we're often reminded) is on us.

Own it!

It is difficult for me to know how best to respond.
Globalisation has seen jobs disappear from the West, and millions of foreign migrants moving West to compete for what jobs remain, and you think this is Socialism's doing?
Society has been the victim of corporate global expansionism, and that is in your opinion something the left should 'own'.
You read the Daily Mail, right?
Of course it's difficult for you to respond.

Your an idealist, similar to Corbyn and Abbott who have emboldened a social culture of repressiveness on the indigenous populace of this nation - projecting your white guilt onto everyone else. Merkel did the exact same thing, trying to write the wrongs of her nations past in this latest vanity project. By shouting wilkomen to all and sundry while simultaneously implying those that were against it (for context here anyway), were little Englanders and eh, Daily Mail readers.

This is on the liberati, something the "Little Englanders" had no hand in; so smearing them or indeed that witch Thatcher for this doesn't wash.
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Let me beat the usuals to it, Swedish society is about to collapse under sheer weight of Muslims and radical Islam, basically because Swedes are wet behind the ears liberals who let brown people with funny names in............
Did WE let too many in says one of Sweden's earlier immigrants, already using "we" as if a native ...

New York Times Article Here

It seems a good read. To me, anyway
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The left hitched their wagon to a religious cult and have used it's followers as a weapon wanting to rub the rights nose if diversity and gain voters, that was just the start of the mayhem they have caused.
of course the problem with that "hitched their wagon to a cult" statement is that the truth is that Blair sent Byers and Hewitt to INDIA, not Pakistan, to rent a mob.
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This is on you, like Brexit (as we're often reminded) is on us.

Own it!

It is difficult for me to know how best to respond.
Globalisation has seen jobs disappear from the West, and millions of foreign migrants moving West to compete for what jobs remain, and you think this is Socialism's doing?
Society has been the victim of corporate global expansionism, and that is in your opinion something the left should 'own'.
You read the Daily Mail, right?
Of course it's difficult for you to respond.

Your an idealist, similar to Corbyn and Abbott who have emboldened a social culture of repressiveness on the indigenous populace of this nation - projecting your white guilt onto everyone else. Merkel did the exact same thing, trying to write the wrongs of her nations past in this latest vanity project. By shouting wilkomen to all and sundry while simultaneously implying those that were against it (for context here anyway), were little Englanders and eh, Daily Mail readers.

This is on the liberati, something the "Little Englanders" had no hand in; so smearing them or indeed that witch Thatcher for this doesn't wash.
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Not me, I doubt you can find anything I have posted that supports it. I am a pragmatist and as such a Capitalist ....... wanting it to have a social conscience - because business relies on society - short term profiteering destroys the gravy train.
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I share no guilt with anyone! I am proud of my heritage, my country, our history!

You don't get much right!
On second thoughts, you don't get anything right!
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 ::) ^ can you both be politer please and address the message not the poster
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Oh no, only except that the liberal left tacitly endorse this cultural enrichment.

Back to your safe space Affa. !wav!
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The left hitched their wagon to a religious cult and have used it's followers as a weapon wanting to rub the rights nose if diversity and gain voters, that was just the start of the mayhem they have caused.
That's the Tory propaganda line, seems you have swallowed it hook line and sinker
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The left hitched their wagon to a religious cult and have used it's followers as a weapon wanting to rub the rights nose if diversity and gain voters, that was just the start of the mayhem they have caused.
That's the Tory propaganda line, seems you have swallowed it hook line and sinker

He forgets David Cameron spent a week or so with a Muslim family and declared we had more to learn about good values from them than they do from us.
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The left hitched their wagon to a religious cult and have used it's followers as a weapon wanting to rub the rights nose if diversity and gain voters, that was just the start of the mayhem they have caused.
That's the Tory propaganda line, seems you have swallowed it hook line and sinker

He forgets David Cameron spent a week or so with a Muslim family and declared we had more to learn about good values from them than they do from us.
I don't doubt Cameron was right, BUT in order to be a practising Muslim one has to sell ones 'soul' to Allah. One needs to indulge in self-indoctrination and all bow down together controlled more like sheep than free human beings.

Society can improve without breeding so many people who can be upset by the fact that most people do not believe in their religion.

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The left hitched their wagon to a religious cult and have used it's followers as a weapon wanting to rub the rights nose if diversity and gain voters, that was just the start of the mayhem they have caused.
That's the Tory propaganda line, seems you have swallowed it hook line and sinker

He forgets David Cameron spent a week or so with a Muslim family and declared we had more to learn about good values from them than they do from us.
There are genuinely very good folks in all cultures and religious/atheist belief, but that is not necessarily because of that culture or religious/atheist belief - it can also be in spite of them.

As for terrorist attacks, we had better get used to them, for unless something radically changes it will go on for decades to come.
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He forgets David Cameron spent a week or so with a Muslim family and declared we had more to learn about good values from them than they do from us.
There are genuinely very good folks in all cultures and religious/atheist belief, but that is not necessarily because of that culture or religious/atheist belief - it can also be in spite of them.

As for terrorist attacks, we had better get used to them, for unless something radically changes it will go on for decades to come.

Before 2001 there wasn't any islamophobia to speak of.
9/11 ensured there would be thereafter!
So who is really to blame for any abuse etc Muslims may experience?

Al Qaeda deliberately created antagonism, set the West against Islamic extremism, and polarised Muslim attitudes to Western culture and Christians in particular. Moderate Muslims owe it to the radicals for any anxiety they feel.


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All very interesting. However, I'd STILL like to know what the "unrelated gunfire" was all about ? Is this Stockholm or New York ? The media don't seem to be covering it AT ALL.
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There are genuinely very good folks in all cultures and religious/atheist belief, but that is not necessarily because of that culture or religious/atheist belief - it can also be in spite of them. . .
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All very interesting. However, I'd STILL like to know what the "unrelated gunfire" was all about ? Is this Stockholm or New York ? The media don't seem to be covering it AT ALL.
Shrugs: but surely the most likely reason is these were false memories. Not uncommon when traumatic incidents occur. Reporters find themselves reporting accounts from who they thought were eye witnesses but are actually anything but.

Have seen articles saying "police were unable to confirm earlier reports of gunfire""
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I read that as well SteveK. However, they ALSO stated that it was "unrelated".

Now, I can understand "unconfirmed", but the fact that they go as far as to say "unrelated" surely suggests that SOMETHING happened ?
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Hmm... it now appears that the attacker was a rejected asylum seeker who was on the run from immigration officials.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39545642
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One wonders how he managed to hijack a great big lorry.
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It was sitting on the roadside with its engine running whilst the driver was making a delivery ?
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Apr 7 2017, 07:30 PM
Here's another equally useless fact: when there was nobody called Dan posting on internet forums there was less terrorism too. Therefore . . . . .

Simplistic xenophobic so called explanations will just not help anyone. They never have and of course the irony has flown right past you that it is similarly simplistic xenophobic so called explanations that fuel the likes of this murderer and this appalling act.

You win by isolating the evil not by driving more people towards it
Dan's statement is not "useless", it is accurate and relevant. It is not, as you suggest by way of a fatuous comparison, mere coincidence that mass Muslim immigration coincides with an increase in terrorism; Muslims are motivated to murderous terrorist acts at a wildly disproportionate rate.

We are seeing dozens of acts of mass murder a year in the West carried out by terrorists, and this is largely a consequence of Muslim immigration into the West. The first step to addressing a problem is acknowledging it. If we could honestly acknowledge the problems caused by third world immigration (which are hardly confined to Islamic terrorism), then it would soon become untenable for politicians to pretend that we are benefiting from it and to advocate for it.

But we live in a society where any public figure merely stating the facts about, for example, differential rates of crime or welfare dependency between ethnic groups risks destroying their reputation and livelihood. And it is the self righteous and politically correct who create this atmosphere. The above post is a prime example of this, admonishing someone for xenophobia merely for stating something that is obviously true. Outside of the context of internet anonymity, these accusations are genuinely damaging, and silence people through fear of the consequences to a truly remarkable degree. Perhaps the most striking example of this was the wilful ignorance of the industrial scale rape of white adolescents at the hands of Muslim pederasts, ignored for decades because the perpetrators were brown and local authorities were petrified of being called racist.

Edited by Matthew Brady, Apr 9 2017, 06:03 PM.
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" And it is the self righteous and politically correct who create this atmosphere. The above post is a prime example of this, admonishing someone for xenophobia merely for stating something that is obviously true."

As invented by the New Labour party, any thoughts or words that went against their "agenda" was very quickly jumped upon and labelled as racist and xenophobic, now that the general public have actually realised the shite that they were fed by NL the party is now in dire straights as reality dawns upon them that the voting electorate will stand for their tripe no longer and either they adopt the centre ground or simply disappear because at present they cannot even be described as a "pressure group"
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Matthew Brady
Apr 9 2017, 05:52 PM
Steve K
Apr 7 2017, 07:30 PM
Here's another equally useless fact: when there was nobody called Dan posting on internet forums there was less terrorism too. Therefore . . . . .

Simplistic xenophobic so called explanations will just not help anyone. They never have and of course the irony has flown right past you that it is similarly simplistic xenophobic so called explanations that fuel the likes of this murderer and this appalling act.

You win by isolating the evil not by driving more people towards it
Dan's statement is not "useless", it is accurate and relevant. It is not, as you suggest by way of a fatuous comparison, mere coincidence that mass Muslim immigration coincides with an increase in terrorism; Muslims are motivated to murderous terrorist acts at a wildly disproportionate rate. . . .
Predictable that my post would be twisted

The correlation between islamic terrorism and islamic immigration to the West is at most trivial. There's arguably a stronger correlation with extremists having access to the internet and maybe with certain foreign policies of the West. We know for example that the Westminster murdering git was born in the UK as a non muslim, that 9/11 wasn't committed by immigrants and yet they all used the internet for terrorism advice.

But more importantly we know the simplistic pursuit of correlations gets us nowhere and can often make things worse. Complex problems require intelligent approaches and while that might require a bit more effort it's only such that will win.

A simpleton would ban ice cream because of its strong correlation with drownings (fact), an intelligent person would question such a reaction. What do you want to appear as?







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