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The Magic Wand Brigade; In action.
Topic Started: Apr 9 2017, 04:23 PM (168 Views)
C-too
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And to think this lot are now part of the LP membership, and voting for Corbyn.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39540340
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C-too
Apr 9 2017, 04:23 PM
And to think this lot are now part of the LP membership, and voting for Corbyn.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39540340
One has to ask, what sort of person would give these people the time of day and actually listen to them?

PS, I know I just have, but that was in order to assess your post and nothing more.
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Bear in mind that the Stop the War coalition is ONLY interested when it is the USA or Europe that is taking the initiative.

I'ts OK for "Non-western" nations to go to war; after all, to criticise that would be racist anti-multidiversequalitypostcolonialracism and imposing 'our' values on 'theirs', and anyway who is to say that all those people didn't DESERVE to be beheaded and burnt alive ?

It's a similar thing to 'western' feminist organisations being VERY quiet about profoundly misogynistic rap lyrics (because you can't criticise black people) and Sharia law (because you can't criticise muslims).

Actually, Stop the War responded to the allegation of "only protesting about UK involvement" some time ago, stating that this was because they where a UK protest group, and could only influence the UK government; they had no power to influence foreign governments.

Which explains, of course, why they recently protested against... US action. ( I believe Damascus is actually closer to us than Washington, but hey.... )

Grrrr.....
Edited by RoofGardener, Apr 9 2017, 05:44 PM.
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Apr 9 2017, 05:24 PM
Bear in mind that the Stop the War coalition is ONLY interested when it is the USA or Europe that is taking the initiative.

I'ts OK for "Non-western" nations to go to war; after all, to criticise that would be racist anti-multidiversequalitypostcolonialracism and imposing 'our' values on 'theirs', and anyway who is to say that all those people didn't DESERVE to be beheaded and burnt alive ?

It's a similar thing to 'western' feminist organisations being VERY quiet about profoundly misogynistic rap lyrics (because you can't criticise black people) and Sharia law (because you can't criticise muslims).

Actually, Stop the War responded to the allegation of "only protesting about UK involvement" some time ago, stating that this was because they where a UK protest group, and could only influence the UK government; they had no power to influence foreign governments.

Which explains, of course, why they recently protested against... US action. ( I believe Damascus is actually closer to us than Washington, but hey.... )

Grrrr.....
IIRC it was initially set up against the American 'War on terrorism'. IMO someone needs to take a stand against this multi decades long history of terrorism.

As far as I'm aware the Magic Wand Brigade just wanted to talk :facepalm:
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What STW is not is the Magic Wand Brigade!
To headline as so reveals irrational thinking or something else even more repugnant.
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Apr 10 2017, 09:10 PM
What STW is not is the Magic Wand Brigade!
To headline as so reveals irrational thinking or something else even more repugnant.
In my ignorance, can you explain what STW is please?
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Rich
Apr 10 2017, 09:13 PM
Affa
Apr 10 2017, 09:10 PM
What STW is not is the Magic Wand Brigade!
To headline as so reveals irrational thinking or something else even more repugnant.
In my ignorance, can you explain what STW is please?
Stop the War campaigners, Rich.
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Apr 10 2017, 09:42 PM
Rich
Apr 10 2017, 09:13 PM
Affa
Apr 10 2017, 09:10 PM
What STW is not is the Magic Wand Brigade!
To headline as so reveals irrational thinking or something else even more repugnant.
In my ignorance, can you explain what STW is please?
Stop the War campaigners, Rich.
Thank you for that Affa. :thumbsup:
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Apr 10 2017, 09:10 PM
What STW is not is the Magic Wand Brigade!
To headline as so reveals irrational thinking or something else even more repugnant.
There is a decades long problem with Islamic terrorism, the idea that one should take no action and just hope people will listen to reason is to believe in magic wands.

List of Islamic terrorism;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

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"A senior figure at the Stop the War Coalition has said that the under-fire anti-war pressure group linked to Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is alienating British Muslims because of its "confused" views on the Middle East and perceived support for Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad.
He said that British Muslims were abandoning the Stop the War Coalition, which was formed in 2001 in response to the war in Afghanistan and went on to protest British intervention in Iraq and Libya, in droves since the beginning of Syria's civil war.

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While condemning what he branded a "witch-hunt" against the anti-war group in recent weeks, the senior Muslim insider also said that Corbyn, a former chairman of the group, should consider cutting his ties with the coalition to protect his future as Labour leader.
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C-too
Apr 11 2017, 04:44 PM
Affa
Apr 10 2017, 09:10 PM
What STW is not is the Magic Wand Brigade!
To headline as so reveals irrational thinking or something else even more repugnant.
There is a decades long problem with Islamic terrorism, the idea that one should take no action and just hope people will listen to reason is to believe in magic wands.

List of Islamic terrorism;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks


As far as I am concerned the adoption of 'the Magic Wand Brigade' is no more accurate or truthful a description of Labour under Corbyn than all the other opposition labels given to Labour that we both have come to despise as political spin and lies.
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Apr 11 2017, 05:25 PM
C-too
Apr 11 2017, 04:44 PM
Affa
Apr 10 2017, 09:10 PM
What STW is not is the Magic Wand Brigade!
To headline as so reveals irrational thinking or something else even more repugnant.
There is a decades long problem with Islamic terrorism, the idea that one should take no action and just hope people will listen to reason is to believe in magic wands.

List of Islamic terrorism;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
As far as I am concerned the adoption of 'the Magic Wand Brigade' is no more accurate or truthful a description of Labour under Corbyn than all the other opposition labels given to Labour that we both have come to despise as political spin and lies.
The magic Wand Brigade is the STW movement which I believe was started by Corbyn, or he was heavily involved in the forming of it. It was first formed against the invasion of Afghanistan, i.e. against a NATO response. They apparently preferred to wave a magic wand.

They are now a major part of the LP membership that now keeps Corbyn as the leader.

How can a naïve anti-war group hold priority over the voted in by the electorate LP members in parliament ?
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C-too
Apr 12 2017, 02:48 PM
Affa
Apr 11 2017, 05:25 PM
C-too
Apr 11 2017, 04:44 PM
As far as I am concerned the adoption of 'the Magic Wand Brigade' is no more accurate or truthful a description of Labour under Corbyn than all the other opposition labels given to Labour that we both have come to despise as political spin and lies.
The magic Wand Brigade is the STW movement which I believe was started by Corbyn, or he was heavily involved in the forming of it. It was first formed against the invasion of Afghanistan, i.e. against a NATO response. They apparently preferred to wave a magic wand.

They are now a major part of the LP membership that now keeps Corbyn as the leader.

How can a naïve anti-war group hold priority over the voted in by the electorate LP members in parliament ?

Does the STW campaign claim to have a magic wand, or is that something opponents say they have ....... as no such thing exists, then whichever it is they are really making it up!
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Affa
Apr 12 2017, 03:31 PM
C-too
Apr 12 2017, 02:48 PM
Affa
Apr 11 2017, 05:25 PM
The magic Wand Brigade is the STW movement which I believe was started by Corbyn, or he was heavily involved in the forming of it. It was first formed against the invasion of Afghanistan, i.e. against a NATO response. They apparently preferred to wave a magic wand.

They are now a major part of the LP membership that now keeps Corbyn as the leader.

How can a naïve anti-war group hold priority over the voted in by the electorate LP members in parliament ?
Does the STW campaign claim to have a magic wand, or is that something opponents say they have ....... as no such thing exists, then whichever it is they are really making it up!
The term Magic Wand Brigade is a euphemism for extreme naivety.
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Apr 12 2017, 06:41 PM

The term Magic Wand Brigade is a euphemism for extreme naivety.
Which I suggest applies to both the Leave & remain camps leading up to the referendum. And based on evidence so far this May team of negotiators - who don't seem to have a clue about what is possible and worse what they actually want as a settlement.
They need magic.
Inept and devoid of ideas!
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Apr 12 2017, 08:43 PM
C-too
Apr 12 2017, 06:41 PM

The term Magic Wand Brigade is a euphemism for extreme naivety.
Which I suggest applies to both the Leave & remain camps leading up to the referendum. And based on evidence so far this May team of negotiators - who don't seem to have a clue about what is possible and worse what they actually want as a settlement.
They need magic.
Inept and devoid of ideas!
The outers were the uninformed who voted to take an unprepared country into the unknown.

Those who voted to remain had a pretty good idea of what to expect and at least would have given the country time to seriously begin to rebuild our industrial base, help business start-up programmes (like the ones the Tories closed) and to make a general shift in the redirection of exports. If that is, the result had been marginally in favour of staying in the EU.
The requirements of leaving the EU could have been looked into in greater detail. Time to better prepare the country to leave the EU, a point I made before the referendum.
On top of all that, we are not even in a good economic position.

I believe ultimate naivety rests with the OUTers.
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Apr 12 2017, 08:43 PM
C-too
Apr 12 2017, 06:41 PM

The term Magic Wand Brigade is a euphemism for extreme naivety.
Which I suggest applies to both the Leave & remain camps leading up to the referendum. And based on evidence so far this May team of negotiators - who don't seem to have a clue about what is possible and worse what they actually want as a settlement.
They need magic.
Inept and devoid of ideas!
I would like to know from all the opinionators regarding plans A, B, C etc etc on leaving, how is it possible to form a plan of any sort pre negotiations?

Yeah sure, just like union Barons, you aim for more than you are likely to get and them come back to a compromise that is acceptable to BOTH parties.

The PM has repeatedly said that she will aim for the best deal possible, if it is not a good deal overall for the UK, then there will be no deal and WTO tariffs will have to apply until the EU negotiators come to their senses and more importantly, face reality and learn to be pragmatic instead of dogmatic, for the latter is what has brought us to where we are today.

The Brits do not take kindly to dictatorships especially from those that were not elected by them in a democratic countrywide vote.
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C-too
Apr 14 2017, 12:48 PM
Affa
Apr 12 2017, 08:43 PM
C-too
Apr 12 2017, 06:41 PM

The term Magic Wand Brigade is a euphemism for extreme naivety.
Which I suggest applies to both the Leave & remain camps leading up to the referendum. And based on evidence so far this May team of negotiators - who don't seem to have a clue about what is possible and worse what they actually want as a settlement.
They need magic.
Inept and devoid of ideas!
The outers were the uninformed who voted to take an unprepared country into the unknown.

Those who voted to remain had a pretty good idea of what to expect and at least would have given the country time to seriously begin to rebuild our industrial base, help business start-up programmes (like the ones the Tories closed) and to make a general shift in the redirection of exports. If that is, the result had been marginally in favour of staying in the EU.
The requirements of leaving the EU could have been looked into in greater detail. Time to better prepare the country to leave the EU, a point I made before the referendum.
On top of all that, we are not even in a good economic position.

I believe ultimate naivety rests with the OUTers.

My post was to say the official campaign groups both revealed a lack of what the full implications of leaving would be.
Ignorance is no excuse, nativity even less an excuse ..... which leaves deliberate ineptitude!

And why I have suspected an establishment fix-up.
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Apr 14 2017, 12:58 PM
C-too
Apr 14 2017, 12:48 PM
Affa
Apr 12 2017, 08:43 PM

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The outers were the uninformed who voted to take an unprepared country into the unknown.

Those who voted to remain had a pretty good idea of what to expect and at least would have given the country time to seriously begin to rebuild our industrial base, help business start-up programmes (like the ones the Tories closed) and to make a general shift in the redirection of exports. If that is, the result had been marginally in favour of staying in the EU.
The requirements of leaving the EU could have been looked into in greater detail. Time to better prepare the country to leave the EU, a point I made before the referendum.
On top of all that, we are not even in a good economic position.

I believe ultimate naivety rests with the OUTers.
My post was to say the official campaign groups both revealed a lack of what the full implications of leaving would be.
Ignorance is no excuse, nativity even less an excuse ..... which leaves deliberate ineptitude!

And why I have suspected an establishment fix-up.
There is also what appeared to be the unexpected result of the referendum.
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