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| Topic Started: Apr 16 2017, 02:56 PM (458 Views) | |
| C-too | Apr 16 2017, 02:56 PM Post #1 |
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I also hope your hope of a wonderful future for the UK post Brexit comes to fruition
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| Rich | Apr 16 2017, 03:01 PM Post #2 |
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And that is all we can do.....but, it helps if everyone comes on side and helps to pull together, there is no going back now so the best practice is to aim for the best and to try to make the future a success and their is no shame to be found in that aspiration from either remainers or leavers. Despite previous announcements by politicians, we are REALLY ALL now in this together so let's make the best of it, if not for us but for our kids and their kids.
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| marybrown | Apr 16 2017, 03:16 PM Post #3 |
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Unfortunately..we don't know what Teresa May has promised to the other Eu countries..''No news here'' |
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| Rich | Apr 16 2017, 03:24 PM Post #4 |
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Do you think that she is the type of person to sell the UK down the road?....I certainly don't, I believe she is getting stronger and more determined by the day, this woman has tenacity and will not be browbeaten by those in the EU. They are fully aware of her statement that no deal is better than a bad deal. |
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| C-too | Apr 16 2017, 04:17 PM Post #5 |
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So far it's a bit like all in the mire together. I think if a bit more attention had been made aboard the Titanic she may not have hit that iceberg, a lesson that says don't take our eyes off the possible pitfalls ahead. |
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| Tigger | Apr 16 2017, 05:00 PM Post #6 |
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Not surprising I suppose from someone who steadfastly refuses to look at any news which might shatter those idealist and impractical dreams. May has already backed down in several areas, it's bullshit for your ears but when it comes to dealing with the EU it will be something else because we need a deal, and badly. And on the day a City bank said it will move to Berlin and the day after the EU said it intends to strip the UK of many lucrative regulatory agencies "within weeks". |
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| Rich | Apr 16 2017, 06:55 PM Post #7 |
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Huh, if the EU had been more fucking flexible we would not even be having this conversation......now let's see how flexible they will HAVE to be to get a deal that suits them as well as us. |
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| C-too | Apr 16 2017, 11:07 PM Post #8 |
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Why should they be dictated to by one single country ? You don't like the rules, you voted to leave so you have nothing to gripe about. If leaving is more difficult than you imagined then you still have nothing to gripe about. I think the asylum fiasco will force some changes in the EU. |
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| Rich | Apr 16 2017, 11:29 PM Post #9 |
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"I think the asylum fiasco will force some changes in the EU." And therein lies the problem, because us as an Island and not a continent were unable to control unfettered immigration and hopefully (I like to think) Cameron raised this concern, he was totally ignored because of the four freedoms. If only those intransigent idiots with their dogmatic ideology had an ounce of sense between them then we would not be where we are now, and now, they, with their own elections within the member states are telling them what we , here in the UK have said all along.....as I have said on many an occasion, common sense is obviously not common especially within the EU ruling elite, dogmatism rules...end of....we shall now see how they react to public concerns. |
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| C-too | Apr 17 2017, 07:27 AM Post #10 |
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The UK offered help and finance in order to avoid most of the march of asylum seekers, being an island did help in this area. The EU were caught between the proverbial 'rock and a hard place' because international agreements meant countries should allow asylum seekers refuge. As with all organisations, including the UK, the EU had its set procedures for a reason. Unfortunately its ideology was set in the early post WWII years, and I would agree with you that it is no longer entirely viable in its present form today. But it is difficult to see how it could persist in a free internal market without its four freedoms in some shape or form. ---the free movement of goods, capital, services, and people--- IMO, without the freedom of movement of people it would be a dog eat dog collection of countries, while the aim of the EU was to enrich all the participants thereby creating a healthy economically viable market place. |
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| Steve K | Apr 17 2017, 09:50 AM Post #11 |
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Except on the asylum seekers issue you refer to he got a complete opt out |
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| Rich | Apr 17 2017, 01:09 PM Post #12 |
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Agreed, but not the freedom of movement bit which, in essence meant that anyone coming from Europe had the right of entry regardless of where they originated from and that means the whole wide world, the EU was nothing more than a passageway to get here. |
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| C-too | Apr 17 2017, 04:18 PM Post #13 |
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That would only be open to EU citizens. |
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| Rich | Apr 17 2017, 04:28 PM Post #14 |
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Oh yes? tell me please, who in France worries about that, all that the French want to do is to get them to their northern most shores and thence across 22 miles of the English channel..so please, don't give me that shit. |
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| C-too | Apr 17 2017, 04:38 PM Post #15 |
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You are the one giving out "shit". You referred to the freedom of movement, the FoM does not apply to non-EU citizens. |
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| Steve K | Apr 17 2017, 06:46 PM Post #16 |
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One day so many of the Leavers are going to realise they have been repeating like parrots so many lies that the Daily Mailograph , Farage and the Faraginistas fed them and that they acted like bot computers to ultimately make their own and their families' lives worse. One poster here says he will laugh that day but I won't. It's an unmitigated tragedy to see people hurt by their own hand. |
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| RoofGardener | Apr 17 2017, 06:55 PM Post #17 |
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So those that voted 'leave' are.. what... parrots and robots ? Well, THAT'S nice. Edited by RoofGardener, Apr 17 2017, 06:55 PM.
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| Steve K | Apr 17 2017, 07:07 PM Post #18 |
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Do read what was actually posted. It saves so many unnecessary arguments BIG difference between voting and being an acting advocate. But you knew that. |
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| RoofGardener | Apr 17 2017, 07:51 PM Post #19 |
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So, on that basis, a "leaver" isn't somebody who voted "leave" ? |
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| Tigger | Apr 17 2017, 07:59 PM Post #20 |
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I call it poetic justice, but then I've always thought you should own your own mistakes. |
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| Rich | Apr 17 2017, 08:08 PM Post #21 |
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Dopey, it certainly does if non EU citizens pass through Europe as they do on a regular basis and no country in Europe kicks them out again but instead allows them to set up camps in N France in readiness to cross to the U FUCKING K. |
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| Steve K | Apr 17 2017, 08:19 PM Post #22 |
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As you know what was actually posted was: "One day so many of the Leavers are going to realise they have been repeating like parrots . . ." Quite clearly excludes both those that only voted and those that expressed either questions or truthful reasons for leaving. |
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| Steve K | Apr 17 2017, 08:23 PM Post #23 |
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But as you full well know that would not be movement under the freedom of movement rules, it is illegl migration that cares not if we are in the EU or not And you also know it will get worse after Brexit as we'll have no lever to force the French to take action. If the illegal migration across the French-UK border point is such an important to you, you have to admit Brexit is an own goal. |
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| Rich | Apr 17 2017, 08:36 PM Post #24 |
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I am fully aware Steve of post brexit implications and for me that means that for our PM and her Government to keep to the pledge of getting immigration down will mean controlled immigration and much tougher border controls than we have at present and I think that should include a permanent Naval presence in the Channel. Should she not do this then she should be wary of going into the next General election because uncontrolled immigration was the main cause for people voting to leave and I am sure she is well aware of that fact, but to be fair to her, one must give her time to get the legalities and niceties in order before she starts shutting the gate to those that we do NOT need. |
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| Steve K | Apr 17 2017, 09:02 PM Post #25 |
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The point here is that the illegal migration you were referring to is but (pun alert) a drop in the ocean compared to the legal EU and no EU migration. Migration we already had the power to cut but never did because it's so attractive to business and only the less well off suffer by it. Oh by the way you should visit round here sometime. I see the English Channel several times a week incl today. For want of a better phrase it's effin big. You'd need a thousand fast ships and more to really police it which is why co-operation with the French, Dutch and Norwegians who can police their shores has always been a better plan. |
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| Rich | Apr 17 2017, 09:11 PM Post #26 |
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And I have no doubt that our PM will have that in mind when negotiations start proper next month.....everyone seems to be pre supposing about what has gone and what will be. If anyone out there knows more than our negotiating team about what the future holds then please appraise the Labour front benches as they are dying to know. Why people are so frit of leaving a Cartel is beyond me, the cartel needs customers in order to survive just as any other trading nation does.....let's wait and see what transpires between now and 2019 and then we can speak of real issues, in the meantime I expect that immigration will continue much as it is now. PS, I expect it to rise as the weather improves and more risks are taken by desperadoes. |
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| Affa | Apr 18 2017, 08:05 AM Post #27 |
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| Mr Pat | Apr 18 2017, 10:05 AM Post #28 |
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I see Osborne's, thus remainers' project 'treasury analysis' has been pretty much rubbished.And to read it was the 'Leave' campaign who practically only peddled propaganda.
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| Steve K | Apr 18 2017, 10:54 AM Post #29 |
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link please |
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| Tigger | Apr 18 2017, 11:12 AM Post #30 |
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Drip, drip, drip, drip, drip. Can you hear that? That is the sound of Britian's influence, soft power and economic strength slowly ebbing away, it won't be a cliff edge thing but a slow erosion of our power over many months and years, the stale piss mobility scooter brigade voted for this because they will finally get the second rate country they have always dreamed of living in.
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| Mr Pat | Apr 18 2017, 11:27 AM Post #31 |
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Quite the vile little bitter, aren't we?
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| C-too | Apr 18 2017, 09:25 PM Post #32 |
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Europe accepted asylum seekers because of a world agreement, nothing to do with FoM. You are confusing matters in a way a little Englander might. |
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| C-too | Apr 18 2017, 09:37 PM Post #33 |
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The leave campaign ran a series of insinuated lies in order to get people to vote for an unprepared debt filled country to enter the unknown. The emotions driven logic lacking outcome of the referendum had some people rejoicing in a triumphalist manner, that questions the mentality of some of those voters. Edited by C-too, Apr 18 2017, 09:38 PM.
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| Steve K | Apr 18 2017, 09:39 PM Post #34 |
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Luckily, I didn't hold my breath. Seems Mr Pat doesn't have anything of substance to back his post |
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| Tigger | Apr 19 2017, 09:40 AM Post #35 |
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I think it's fair comment, the people with the least to lose and who are nearest the grave have decided they'd like to live in the past, and drag the rest of us along for the ride Persil and some 3 in 1 for those squeaky wheels?
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| disgruntled porker | Apr 19 2017, 04:18 PM Post #36 |
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Older than most people think I am.
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I don't know why everyone is getting so wound up about brexit. Give it a few years, the EU will implode anyway. The only members left will be those with sod all to offer. |
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| Rich | Apr 19 2017, 05:48 PM Post #37 |
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And they should be seeking Asylum in the first country they land in, not allowed to sneak illegally into the UK by hiding in trucks and containers. |
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| Affa | Apr 19 2017, 07:16 PM Post #38 |
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We had Sangatte before we had FoM. I can't see these Tories (or any other) withdrawing from the UN agreement. |
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| RoofGardener | Apr 19 2017, 07:31 PM Post #39 |
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OH really ? What proportion of leave voters would you estimate as being "so many..." ? (as per your original quote) |
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| C-too | Apr 19 2017, 08:12 PM Post #40 |
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Too many to be able to force them to stay in the first country they land in, so that claim falls at the first hurdle. If they sneak into this country (or cross any illegal borders) by breaking the law then the law should be reinforced. If you have a USABLE method of stopping illegal immigration or dealing with illegal immigration, other than your dream list of answers, there are many countries who would pay you handsomely to share your knowledge with them. |
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'treasury analysis' has been pretty much rubbished.

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